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So, what the hell were they?


So after watching this film I am still left a little confused. We're the Nightbreed one race or a collection of various monsters? Why didn't Boone turn into a thing like the one that bit him? Nobody found it odd that there was a giant abandoned cemetary just off the road in Canada?

I did like the movie but it seems like I am missing something.

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I think the concept is that there are certain among us who can't be killed (at least not in many of the traditional ways)

There's pretty much no way to tell who they are until something violent happens to them and they don't die - that's why so many of them are so grotesque.

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Rachel spells it out for you in the film...





The last survivors of the great tribes.

[Lori: Ok, tribes of what?"]

We're shapeshifters, freaks, remains of races your tribe have almost driven to extinction.

[Lori: So your not immortal?"]

Far from it. The sun can kill some of us, like Babette. Others can be shot down. Others can survive that because they have gone beyond death.

[Lori: "This is too weird"]

To be able to fly? To be smoke, or a wolf? To know the night and live in it forever. That's not so bad. You call us monsters, but when you dream, you dream of flying, and changing, and living without death. You envy us, and what you envy...

[Lori: "We destroy"]






Regarding Baphomet...





[Lori: I've gotta find him."]

He's beyond your help. He's down in the Tabernacle with Baphomet.

[Lori "Who's that?"]

The Baptizer, the one who called us here and saved us from our enemies.


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I think they were the great beasts of Canadian legend.

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So, what the hell were they?


They were Canadian.

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They made it pretty clear in the directors cut that they were a collection of monsters all brought together by that one monster, Baphomet, who brought them all together.

Why didn't Boone turn into a thing like the one that bit him?


Because the guy that bit him wasn't actually a vampire. We don't really know what the rules are for his particular "race."

Nobody found it odd that there was a giant abandoned cemetary just off the road in Canada?


There are cemeteries all over the place. Why would anyone find this one particularly odd?

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Nobody found it odd that there was a giant abandoned cemetary just off the road in Canada?
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There are cemeteries all over the place. Why would anyone find this one particularly odd?



As it shown in the movie, it's very story-bookesque, but there's actually a line about it: "- Who's buried in Midian. - Dead folk. Prospectors come from all over and got buried up there." While that doesn't really make sense, the 'dead folk' kinda does. I'm mean at some point or another you've likely seen an odd cemetery, it's not like you actually did anything about it, or that there is something to do. As well respect for burial ground is pretty universal.

Also IIRC in the book there's an old town along with it (presumably the town is nominally 'Midian'), and it's rather end of the road than just off, which makes a lot more sense even if it is an unusually large graveyard.

But yeah, as it's shown it doesn't make any sense. A wall, and a bunch of wooden crosses or tombstones/markers is one thing, but prospectors paid for all those mausoleums so they could be buried in the middle of nowhere? And getting the materials and people there to build them? Of course either way it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for it's real purpose, but you have to remember these people have supernatural powers, and still managed to let themselves be hunted to the point of extinction, they kinda belong in a cemetery.

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As it shown in the movie, it's very story-bookesque, but there's actually a line about it


It's a real grave yard that actually exists. How is it "story bookesque?"

"- Who's buried in Midian. - Dead folk. Prospectors come from all over and got buried up there." While that doesn't really make sense, the 'dead folk' kinda does. I'm mean at some point or another you've likely seen an odd cemetery, it's not like you actually did anything about it, or that there is something to do. As well respect for burial ground is pretty universal.


First, that line should be "came" past tense.

What doesn't make sense about that? The story takes place around Calgary Alberta, which has a LONG mining history.

I'm not sure what you're actually getting at here, anyway.

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It's a real grave yard that actually exists. How is it "story bookesque?"


I'm pretty sure it's the backlot of Pinewood Studios, and it certainly looked like it, as well as matte paintings in the distance shots. While I'm certainly curious about what location you're talking about even real life places can be fanciful, larger than life, or like something out of a storybook, and odds are whatever place you're talking about will fall into my third point below.

First, that line should be "came" past tense.


It's a direct quote from the movie, the scene where Decker is at the kooky gas station, hence me mentioning it's a line and putting it in parentheses. Grammar lessons are welcome though. I'm sure I could use them.

What doesn't make sense about that? The story takes place around Calgary Alberta, which has a LONG mining history.

I'm not sure what you're actually getting at here, anyway.



Actually, it's noted as taking place somewhere North of Athabasca which while I don't know about the mining is a few hundred miles in the wrong direction for civilization from Calgary. Which is kind of the thing because miners, or for that matter anybody else, aren't known for building elaborate graveyards where no one will see or visit them. Of course prospectors aren't really known for their funeral arrangements, much like settlers and other kinds of professions generally defined by traveling as well as a lack of resources to call on, and even if were Calgary based, Calgary, like most of Western North America, simply isn't that old as far as Western civilization is concerned. This: (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Calgary_Alberta_circa_1885.jpg) is Calgary in 1885. Even if by some freak chance I never head of a couple of plagues, and World War battles somehow going down in the vicinity there's no way the nightbreed's necropolis would have been not only feasible for the region but long fallen into ruin by the time of the movie. (That is, I would say the Sedlec Ossuary is like something out of a story book, but it would be downright bizarre to find it outside Yellowknife.)

Edit: Now that you've got me thinking about it part of the reason I'm certain it's a fictional (or heavily fictionalized location) is they don't let you do stuff like that in real cemeteries. That is you can film in real cemeteries, but the only place I can think of seeing, at least what look like, a full on real cemetery being used for more than basically walking around talking shots, is the above ground ones in New Orleans which do seem to have been used as full on movie set frequently. What's up with that?

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I'm pretty sure the exterior shots(the wall and the modified gate) are a real graveyard. Could be wrong though. The interiors and some of the exterior shots are pretty clearly sets, given the way they're shot.

It's a direct quote from the movie, the scene where Decker is at the kooky gas station, hence me mentioning it's a line and putting it in parentheses. Grammar lessons are welcome though. I'm sure I could use them.


You put it in quotes. Parentheses are brackets.

But the way the line is delivered implies that they USED to go to the graveyard, not that miners are still coming to the graveyard to be buried. It's pretty clear that nobody gets buried there anymore. Miners or otherwise. Hence why it says "got buried" further along the quote.

But the point remains, the line should have been in the past tense. "Come" should have been "came."

Actually, it's noted as taking place somewhere North of Athabasca which while I don't know about the mining is a few hundred miles in the wrong direction for civilization from Calgary.


No. The movie takes place in Alberta. The book is another matter, but the movie clearly takes place in Alberta. They even refer to the fact a few times. For example right at the beginning of the film, Lori tells Boone they should get out of Calgary for a few days.

Lori: You know what?


BOONE: What?


LORI: We should get out of Calgary for a few days. Just take off.

Decker refers to the murders all occurring with driving distance of Calgary. Inspector Joyce is introduced as being part of the Calgary PD. It definitely takes place in and around Calgary.

But yes, Athabasca is also mining country.

Which is kind of the thing because miners, or for that matter anybody else, aren't known for building elaborate graveyards where no one will see or visit them.


Oh really?

So what are you saying? That the Nightbreed built the graveyard when Baphomet arrived? What seems more likely is that the graveyard is built on rock(considering it's in Alberta), which was harder to dig through than was worth, so mausoleums were built. Not unlike the reason there are so many mausoleums in New Orleans is because if you dig more than a couple feet down the hole quickly fills with water.

Of course prospectors aren't really known for their funeral arrangements, much like settlers and other kinds of professions generally defined by traveling as well as a lack of resources to call on, and even if were Calgary based, Calgary, like most of Western North America, simply isn't that old as far as Western civilization is concerned


Isn't as old as what, exactly? Are you again suggesting that Baphomet and the Nightbreed built the graveyard when they arrived?

And "isn't that old" is a pretty relative term. They have been mining in Alberta for well over 100 years, and I'm pretty sure the Nightbreed haven't been in Midian for 100 plus years.

Also I have established that the movie takes place in Alberta. There is no question anymore.

Even if by some freak chance I never head of a couple of plagues, and World War battles somehow going down in the vicinity there's no way the nightbreed's necropolis would have been not only feasible for the region but long fallen into ruin by the time of the movie. (That is, I would say the Sedlec Ossuary is like something out of a story book, but it would be downright bizarre to find it outside Yellowknife.)


What in the blue hell are you talking about? No battles during either world war occurred anywhere in Canada.

Your inability to believe it doesn't change the fact that it is there within the story and we have no reason to believe the entire thing was built by the Nightbreed.

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I'm pretty sure the exterior shots(the wall and the modified gate) are a real graveyard. Could be wrong though. The interiors and some of the exterior shots are pretty clearly sets, given the way they're shot.


....? Well then in answer to: "It's a real grave yard that actually exists. How is it "story bookesque?" I'm going to go ahead and say because it's not a real grave yard, and doesn't actually exist. It's a fanciful story-bookesque movie set take on a graveyard that may not or, it's incredibly unlikely did, incorporate a few elements from an actual graveyard that was nowhere near it's implausible supposed setting.

You put it in quotes. Parentheses are brackets.

But the way the line is delivered implies that they USED to go to the graveyard, not that miners are still coming to the graveyard to be buried. It's pretty clear that nobody gets buried there anymore. Miners or otherwise. Hence why it says "got buried" further along the quote.

But the point remains, the line should have been in the past tense. "Come" should have been "came."


See, I knew I could use them. I don't have even the slightest clue what point you're trying to make. I never called into question, nor do I see where someone would get the suggestion I was, that it was still in active use as a burial ground, and specifically did mention it being 'long fallen into ruin by the time of the movie'. As well I am not the screenwriter or actor, the line spoken in the move is 'come' not 'came' (and comes up when googled). It's really not that confusing or great a deviation from standard English, and was specifically mentioned as being a line from the movie and placed in quotes.

No. The movie takes place in Alberta. The book is another matter, but the movie clearly takes place in Alberta. They even refer to the fact a few times. For example right at the beginning of the film, Lori tells Boone they should get out of Calgary for a few days.

Decker refers to the murders all occurring with driving distance of Calgary. Inspector Joyce is introduced as being part of the Calgary PD. It definitely takes place in and around Calgary.


I also can't imagine what you think you're saying no to. We were specifically talking about Midian. You specifically said 'The story takes place around Calgary Alberta'. We know Midian and large portions of the movie do not take place within (at a minimum) hundreds of miles of Calgary. Alberta is approximately a quarter of a million square miles in size. The Calgary metropolitan area is not. Because outside of the Calgary metro Alberta is, at best, sparsely populated, and always has been this has direct bearing on how much Midian's location makes sense.

But yes, Athabasca is also mining country.


That's nice, and as well as having never supported a population that could possible have come close to supplying a fraction of the dead for Midian it features a quite humble below ground graveyard, and is a few hundred miles (450km) from Calgary. North of Athabasca is even further away.

Oh really?


Yes, elaborate graveyards are overwhelming to the point of exception built near to the family, friends, and communities of the deceased by long term residents with established resources (that is not settlers, prospectors, pioneers etc.)

So what are you saying? That the Nightbreed built the graveyard when Baphomet arrived? What seems more likely is that the graveyard is built on rock(considering it's in Alberta), which was harder to dig through than was worth, so mausoleums were built. Not unlike the reason there are so many mausoleums in New Orleans is because if you dig more than a couple feet down the hole quickly fills with water.


That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Indeed calling attention to N.O. only highlights that people get buried near their communities in a timely manner even if the location is far from ideal not 'come from all over' to get buried in a middle of nowhere that happens to also not be suitable for burial and requires far more resources.

Isn't as old as what, exactly? Are you again suggesting that Baphomet and the Nightbreed built the graveyard when they arrived?


...Well as the end of the sentence says 'as far as Western civilization is concerned' I'm not again suggesting the Nightbreed built Midian, nor did I mention them, my implication is clearly that Midian doesn't make sense in the context presented in the film as a cemetery built by people which as you originally asked is one of the things I find that doesn't make sense.

And "isn't that old" is a pretty relative term. They have been mining in Alberta for well over 100 years, and I'm pretty sure the Nightbreed haven't been in Midian for 100 plus years.


Un huh, and Nat Americans have been there thousands of years. Of course they wouldn't have built something like Midian anymore than are 'prospectors' from over a century ago would have. Speaking of which how many significant mining concerns really go back that far? And about how long have the nightbreed been there in your view?

Also I have established that the movie takes place in Alberta. There is no question anymore.


Actually, since Shere Neck like Midian are fictional locations and the directions are vague enough the movie could have also taken place largely in Saskatchewan.

What in the blue hell are you talking about? No battles during either world war occurred anywhere in Canada.


Correct. Hence the 'Even if by some freak chance I never head of a couple'. Along with Calgary's age i'm am noting that the kinds of events that create large graveyards in the middle of nowhere, that would be specifically: pandemics, large scale conflicts, and prolonged significant human inhabitation so as to see the rise and fall of communities are in fact absent from the larger, and for that matter specific region you mentioned (that would be Calgary). This lack contributes to the lack of sense of Midian's presence.

Your inability to believe it doesn't change the fact that it is there within the story and we have no reason to believe the entire thing was built by the Nightbreed.


I don't even know what point you could be trying to make here. No one in this thread, much less me, has ever questioned if it is fact that it is there within in the movie. Only how much sense that makes.

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Nightbreed are people, so why should it be, we and they should get along so awfully?

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Supernatural beings, some of whom (like Boone) are undead. Each one is different, their forms and abilities probably dictated by personality quirks or their psychological make up more so than any common racial traits.

They have an affinity for the Night (hence their name); so much so that some have a fatal vulnerability to sunlight.

They all have their origin in the dark god Baphomet; it is his blood (also called "The Balm" in the book Cabal) that makes them what they are. It is the balm that gets passed from Peloquin (the reddish one with all the dreadlock-like protrusions) to Boone when he bites him in the cemetery, and the same substance boiling in the bowl during the baptism ceremony.

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