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One Of The Greatest Movie I've Ever Seen


This is definitely a classic masterpiece and yet, surprisingly, it doesn't figure in most of the "best" lists. But the lists never mattered anyway. Its probably the approach that makes it less cinematic and more of a documentary. But hats off to the whole team for re-enacting the whole episode. Must have been an awkward experience. A very thoughtful and touching (and at times unintentionally hilarious) film.

P.S. More discussions on this movie would've helped but I guess...

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The film places very high on this list on the They Shoot Pictures website accessible at http://www.theyshootpictures.com .

It's in the Top 200, and I think it's the highest rated film of the 90s after Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction (which have both had at least a tiny bit more exposure than this film), though I think that list pins this films release year as 1989, so it's not really a 90s films anymore on that list.

I would love to see more discussion on this film too!

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Wonderful movie! Only Kiarostami could have made such an extraordinary film.

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It is one of the greatest movies you've ever seen, cos

Close-Up

is one of the greatest movies ever made.

One of the clucking greatest flicking movies ever ucking made.






"The ending of poverty is the beginning of civilization."

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We had to watch it today in my Aesthetics of Cinema class, and in that class we often watch foreign films that we all love, today though after the film had ended I woke up, looked around the class and saw that every student in the class was asleep. We have tried to explore the film and appreciate the Misc-en-scene of it, and the aesthetics of it, but we simply couldnt. I found this film very boring. I tried as hard as i could but simply couldnt stay awake, maybe its just me(and my entire class) but this film simply wasnt able to keep my attention and i think not only was it not a good film, but it was one of the worst i have seen. Just my opinion please dont rip me apart for it.

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i hope it was an elective.

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nope not an elective..


A swelled head leads to a shrunken heart...

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That's sad.

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Your professor should have selected A Taste Of Cherry, The Wind Will Carry Us, or Through The Olive Trees, instead of Close-Up, to explore Kiarostami's use of mise-en-scène and aesthetics, because those films actually present a clear sense of those elements.

Kiarostami intentionally avoids using traditional mise-en-scène, because he feels the technique is overused and oftentimes disingenuous.

His directorial trademark is the use of spacial simplicity and minimalism, which undermines, reduces, and sometimes negates mise-en-scène.

He is a modern master of distilling a scene and/or image down to its barest, simplest, lyrical essence, while simultaneously retaining the complexity and secretive nature of the essence.

I sincerely hope you elect to watch at least one more Kiarostami film, and re-watch Close-Up.

It is unnerving to think that an entire class - 35 students? 60 students? - of college students who love film enough to enroll in film courses, and possibly major in film, will dismiss Kiarostami simply because they are unfamiliar with or disinterested in a simplistic, minimalistic technical film style.

One of my observations about Close-Up that has not been mentioned yet -

Hussein Sabzian is a lonely fellow trapped in an uninteresting life, lacking security, lacking stimulating entertainment, lacking creative outlets. Cinema is his escape. He grasped the opportunity to step out of his life and into someone else's by pretending to be Makhmalbaf, just as We The Viewers grasp the opportunity to step out of our lives and into someone else's when we watch films and when we do impersonations of our favourite actors/actresses, when we randomly act out character idiosyncrasies that titillate us or recite specific dialogue that we think is "cool", when we re-enact [oftentimes esoteric] film moments in our real life for personal amusement.

The only difference is, most of us are Americans and Europeans, and when our film adventures are finished, we return to a reality filled with a limitless number of creative outlets, we are allowed to mimic and impersonate, we're supported when we re-enact something, our friends laugh with us and at us, etc, whereas Sabzian is arrested, must endure hour-after-boring-hour of legal procedures and public humiliation in court, nobody is amused with him, nobody around him seems to really care about the power of cinema, they don't care how Makhmalbaf's films makes Sabzian feel good about himself, they ridicule him, and, although he does meet Makhmalbaf, he ultimately returns to his reality of poverty and boredom and lack of creative outlets.

The film illustrates the vast the cultural differences between people who perceive film as a life-long creative-intellectual-self-enriching outlet, and people who view film as nothing but a quick way to be entertained-and-once-the-film-ends-the-brain-must-stop-thinking-about-it (and it's ironic that the wealthy and educated Iranian family are not fanatical about films, yet the uneducated poor villager is fanatical about film), which further illustrates Kiarostami's perception of how different class systems perceive film, and of how film is perceived and received in Iran (general disinterest and dismissiveness, creative outlets are swept into the dust bin and emptied) versus Europe/the US (mega-interest, fascination, mega-part-of-lifestyle, mega-respect).

Close-up is a close-up of regular film goers and how we view and treat cinema, which represents on a larger scale the vast differences between how people of different economic, religious, and political backgrounds view films, and on an even larger scale the vast difference between how art and being artistic is treated in the West versus the East.

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agreed completely


what an achievement on film; what an achievement for cinema as a whole

it can't help but make you a little jealous of Kiarostami....

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I also agree. I was introduced to Kiarostami in college through "Life and Nothing More" and was happily surprised. As a film student from the U.S. I never experienced Iranian cinema. I wish more Americans had the opportunity to see some of these special films. Maybe it could bridge some gaps between our cultures.

I'd say "Close-Up" is a film to view when one has a little more experience with Kiarostami and Iranian cinema in general. Just taken in the broad genre of documentaries, this film can be appreciated and seen as something truly special.

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"I prefer films that put their audience to sleep in the theater. I think those films are kind enough to allow you a nice nap." - Abbas Kiarostami

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Human emotion is so boring,innit?

You should have watched cool masterpieces of cinematography like "The Dark Knight" or "Scarface"

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Most meaning is attributed to the film by the viewers and pseudointellectual reviewers/critics. It is not inherent in the film itself, these reactions reflecting the meaninglessness of most "film studies" and "film criticism."

You illustrate the major problem inherent with film criticism--or any other discipline which hinges on the subjective experience of the individual. Your comment is in fact a criticism of Criticism. And while I believe there are examples of legitimate (read: restrained) Film Criticism, because there is so much room for the sort of exploitation you describe I couldn't agree with you more.

In my days as a film student I dreaded my Film Theory classes for the very reason you mention here. They (film theorists) seemed to be nothing more than aggrandizing, self-perpetuating academics who wrote essays in the tradition of those who are paid by the word. The entire discipline of Film Theory seemed to be founded on the idea that if something can be described it should be, and at great length. In that way it's lock-step with the worst BS of postmodernism. But hey, whatever keeps the PhD machine oiled, right?

Back to Close-Up: What is the theme? Is it that poor people can and often do find refuge in movies or that movies are democratic in that all classes have access to their cultural riches? Or is it that, like every human being, the fraudster has an imagination into which he can retreat when things aren't going well? If so, that's hardly a ground-breaking idea, but even if it's simple it's honest. However, I'm not sure if that's what's trying to be said here. The more I think about this movie the more I'm steered in another, less admirable. Specifically, I see the movie saying, "We filmmakers are so interesting that poor people want to be us. We are so bemused and yet wish to show the world because maybe there is some social commentary somewhere in there."

I didn't like this movie but it did make me want to see The Cyclist. So there's something good that came of it. In my opinion the most interesting part of the movie is the mention of Oriana Fallaci, given the sort of stuff she wrote after the release of Close-Up.

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Back to Close-Up: What is the theme? Is it that poor people can and often do find refuge in movies or that movies are democratic in that all classes have access to their cultural riches? Or is it that, like every human being, the fraudster has an imagination into which he can retreat when things aren't going well? If so, that's hardly a ground-breaking idea, but even if it's simple it's honest. However, I'm not sure if that's what's trying to be said here. The more I think about this movie the more I'm steered in another, less admirable. Specifically, I see the movie saying, "We filmmakers are so interesting that poor people want to be us. We are so bemused and yet wish to show the world because maybe there is some social commentary somewhere in there."
I think you say it best in the earlier paragraph:
The entire discipline of Film Theory seemed to be founded on the idea that if something can be described it should be, and at great length. In that way it's lock-step with the worst BS of postmodernism.
Does there have to be a clear, distinct theme in Close-Up (or in any film, for that matter), one that neatly presents itself and leaves no room for ambiguous details of any kind? A movie in which every scene in which there's no dialogue is axed so that there's no "visual" flow to the proceedings... only a narrative with some interesting characters thrown in for good measure told with economy and efficiency?

It's a little strange how you wound up with such a cynical interpretation of the movie. There's no self-congratulatory vibe in there at all for me (there's love for the "art", sure, but there's no narcissistic love expressed by the artist for himself); Sabzain very much admits that he wanted the family to stop treating him differently, that he's just like any other person even though (they think) he makes films. Art isn't about fame and fortune. I strongly believe Kiarostami shares this view. It's funny how your reading of it makes it sound like it's coming from a film theorist, the same kind you detest.

The beauty about Close-Up is that it presents you with all these scenes... some re-enactments, some actual footage... and it asks you to make sense out of the hodgepodge (only, of course, it's not "really" a hodgepodge... the movie moves quite gracefully, actually, never feeling out of breath or over-doing the long-take as some incompetent directors trying to make "serious" films do). There are directorial touches all over the place and it doesn't exactly play like a documentary (and it probably did affect my opinion somewhat when I learned Kiarostami had written the script in some of those court scenes)... it's a very unique film, to state the obvious, operating on many layers, that make it thematically rich and very compelling. Were there some missteps in the dialogue? Certainly. Was it powerful, regardless of such missteps? Definitely. I don't very often tear up during a film. But this one somehow unlocked that faucet.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

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Most meaning is attributed to the film by the viewers and pseudointellectual reviewers/critics. It is not inherent in the film itself, these reactions reflecting the meaninglessness of most "film studies" and "film criticism."

All meaning of every film is found by the viewers, and none of it is inherent in the film. That couldn't be more obvious.

But it's true that when many people find meaning in a film and some are unable to find it, that some of the latter will accuse the former of merely pretending to find meaning, or of being pseudo-intellectuals, or what have you. The intellectual insecurity would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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No, it's not postmodernism. It's psychology. (Or at least that's the point I'm trying to make). A film is a piece of celluloid (or a series of one and zeroes). It needs a human brain to acquire meaning. The meaning only happens when it's viewed by people, and people are astonishingly different in their reactions to film (significantly more divergent than their reactions to written texts).

I rebutted your original assertion because I thought it was denying the subjectivity of viewer response, and attempting to impose your reaction by fiat while negating those who had a different one. The subjectivity of response, and the validity of any response (and especially that of a consensus of common responses) is incontrovertible, and a far cry from the extremes of postmodernism.

The bottom line is that you were bored, and, in contrast, many, many people were transfixed. It's not postmodernism to say that the fact you were bored says nothing about the film but is instead a statement about the combination of you and the film. It's pure psychology.

It's too bad you found the film boring, and so forth. That's just you. Learn to live with the idea that your individual reaction has no special place of preference among everyone else's. Saying that it does doesn't make it so.

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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Wow. I have "an inability to carry out independent critical thinking"? (An assertion, which in the original version of your post, you continued in great detail ... including guesses that I couldn't read serious literature or do math). There's a pretty decent resume that argues otherwise, which I frankly don't feel a need to share publicly. There is, in fact, a 6 1/2 page story about me and that ability in a major national magazine on the newststands right now, and I've literally read it once. (Which is why I originally answered: "That requires either a very short or long answer, so let's go with the former: you couldn't possibly be more wrong.")

The rest of your revised screed continues to equate the points I'm making about the subjectivity of response with the extreme postmodern stance. The two are not remotely the same.

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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What a smug little cretin you are. Your thoughts seem awfully contradictory, you suggest that all opinions are born equal and that there is no objective, rational points to be made regarding observation of art and argument, yet you go on to make the narcissistic assertion "you couldn't possibly be more wrong." as if you're the only one with a valid opinion. How childish.

As a side note, this film IS absolutely brilliant, if not one of the greatest ever made.

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My reply was to the original version of that post, which was a fairly specific personal attack "guessing" that I must be incapable of reading serious literature, that I had trouble with math, and so on (ending with a guess that I must be an Obama supporter, as if that correlated with intellectual difficulties). The first two guesses couldn't possibly be more wrong.

And, BTW, I'm not remotely suggesting that all opinions are born equal, or that there are no objective, rational points to be made regarding art. That's the extreme postmodernist critical stance that is a straw man in this argument. I'm asserting that everyone's response is personal and that no single response trumps all the others. When you collect all the personal responses, that's when you start to get valid insights (including the personal responses that agree with this or that fresh, original interpretation).

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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Can't argue with that.

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In the last Sight and Sound poll, it tied for #38 when you add critics' plus directors' votes, and that caused it to jump from #220 to #79 at TheyShootPictures.com. They only film that is better regarded and less seen is L'Atlante. They both deserve their reputations, IMHO.

This film played NYC at the end of 1999 but most people weren't able to see it until its initial DVD release in 2002.

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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#17 on this years Sight and Sound poll.

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