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real memphis belle was english


did anyone know that

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The woman or the aircraft? Not that it matters seen as how it wasn't and she wasn.t!

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ok soz bout that i just got told that they were english soz

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I think people get confused as obv they flew out of the UK and in the original propaganda film the queen visited them at the base. We watched it at school as part of our local history as the base is in our village- was a bit weird watching shots of the church and high street and hearing it described as "an unknown location in england"!!

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Hollywood has been known to replace British soldiers on British missions with Americans, so that they can sell the film in the US. Big example: U-571.

This isn't one of those cases though...

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Yeah... Was the same in 'A Bridge Too Far'. Attenborough did his best to make it one of the most accurate war movies ever made, except changing it so that the Americans captured the bridge, as he was worried American audiences would reject it if the Brits did.

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Now I need to load up the DVD and watch the movie again, or at least that seen. I could've sworn I sat here and watched British actors portraying British soldiers (paratroopers) seize the bridge in question. The Americans, (82nd and 101st ABN DIV) were portrayed as being 20 miles south as it happened in real life. They were part of the column that pushed forward to relieve the British paratroopers and they all had to be withdrawn, but they were not shown as taking the bridge.

Maybe I remember the movie inaccurately, or maybe I saw a different version than you did, though I only know of one version. Still, I can see Sean Connery run up to another British actor (there are British actors other than Sean Connery and Daniel Craig, right?) whose name I forget and he keeps repeating his orders in his head "Hold until relieved).

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whose name I forget and he keeps repeating his orders in his head "Hold until relieved).


That was Richard Todd, playing Maj. John Howard--Todd, ironically enough was part of the column that relieved Pegasus Bridge in REAL LIFE & he served with Maj. John Howard as well.




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Thank you, nickm2.

I recognize the name, but the face is not as familiar to me as American actors.

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Prego, segnore! The sheer irony of Todd playing his own boss in effect always gives me pause for thought. And here's another fun fact: that Bagpiper? He was literally playing himself, just 20 years older.






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That line was from the Longest Day 1965 not a Bridge Too Far. Richard Todd was just one of many actors who fought in WWII. Edward Albert of Green Acres fame was a hero at the battle of Tawara.Kenneth Moore, Clark Gable and the closest to this film would be the great Jimmy Stewart he flew lead for the 453rd Bombardment Group who flew B-24 and eventually commanded the 2nd Bomb group he flew over 25+ missions and also flew jet bombers including the B-52, he also did a arklight mission in a Buff during the Vietnam war in later years.

LOL This pisses a lot of guys (losers) off, they call me names (one notable idiot was some guy who said if I had a Military degree well yes I did my residency in the US Army and left as a Capt) whenever I point out films that are unrealistic or laugh at these online mall commandos. I never claim to be an expert but I know family etc who are and they just hate that as I know the ones who get upset with me are ones who never served a day in their life.

Btw I am a early 30's female MD from Germany now dual citizen American. I minored in Historical Warfare and have many family and friends in the military who fought in WWII to Afghanistan. I get my facts from them NOT Wikipedia like the majority of know it alls.

Dr.Nichole A. MD. AKA Nicki was here.

I never revisit posts or read PM's too mature to argue.

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Oh yes...Longest Day; indeed Todd playing his own 'boss' is one of those historical things I just marvel at from this movie;





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Honestly, it's been that long since I saw it, I can't help but suspect that it is I who misremembers. I'll also have to dig it out and give it fresh look.

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Dannieboy20906, Thanks for your service!

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Doesn´t Matthew Modine´s character says in the movie, the plane is named for a whore?

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No, it's named after his girlfriend back home, whom he met while on business in Memphis

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But doesn´t he say: "I bet, you are the only plane named for a whore?"
Maybe it is only in the German version.

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Actually, Morgan met Margaret Polk while his crew was training near Memphis. Morgan was from North Carolina originally...the "I met her while on business" was just from the movie.

Things cooled off between Miss Polk and Maj. Morgan after he and the rest of his crew made it back to the US. He later met a young lady named Dorothy, "Dottie" for short, and she became Mrs. Morgan...she also was the namesake of the next combat aircraft he flew: A B-29 named "Dauntless Dottie."

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They were training in Walla Walla, Washington.

You can read the whole story here:

http://www.memphisbelle.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view &id=19&Itemid=34

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The real memphis belle really was in the eigth airforce that was based in england. The pilot and the squadron were BOTH american though. In fact the ORIGINAL Memphis belle is on display in memphis TN.

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The Belle is no longer located in Memphis. It was taken to the National Museum of the United States Air Force near Datyon, OH when the Memphis Belle Memorial Association decided that they could not longer take care of it.

It was first taken to Memphin in 1946 after being saved from reclamation in Altus, OK. The plane was on display in Memphis from 1949 at the National Guard armory there. But, years of being in the elements and occassional vandalism left the Belle in pretty poor condition. In the 1970's, a Memphis mayor, returned ownership of the Belle to the Air Force. But, they allowed the plane to stay in Memphis contingent on it being maintained. Then it was moved to a covered pavillion on Mud Island in Memphis. But, it was still exposed to the elements. This led to efforts to create a museum facility near Shelby, TN. The plane was moved to Millington, TN for restoration in 2003. But, the Air Force, got tired of the ups and downs of the restoration and told the city that they would be taking the plane to the NMUSA. It was moved there in 2005. But, after looking at the plane, it was determined that it is in worst shape than they thought. It was said that it might take 8 to 10 years to complete the restoration on the plane.

One odd thing they found was that after stripping the paint from the aft fuselage of the aircraft, hundreds of names and personal messages were found scratched in the aluminum skin. During the plane's war bond tour, people were allowed to leave their mark on this war-time hero.


*All the information above was found on the Memphis Belle page at Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Belle_%28B-17%29

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Sally B didn't portray Memphis Belle. She was in the movie, but not as the eponymous aircraft. The film's Memphis Belle is still painted in the movie markings and can be seen at airshows throughout the US.

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Actually she did, but only for the scenes towards the end when there are bits missing from the tail, and there is smoke coming from under the wing. She was considered to be the B17 in the best condition to handle the rigours of these adjustments. You're right though, she does appear as herself as well.

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What I had heard was that the original pitch for the film was the story of a British bomber crew but that they could not get funding for that (even in the UK) but could get funding for a film based on US aircrew.

If this is true then, as a Brit, I find this a little sad, but I am not surprised if it was easier to sell a film about US aircrew. I liked the film and I certainly feel it is a worthy tribute to the tens of thousands of US aircrew who fought in Europe in WWII and suffered terrible casualty rates.

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That's true, plus it's a lot easier to find airworthy B-17's than Avro Lancasters.

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The American with the Memphis Belle and the British with the Avro Lancaster crew. A pity that the British crew's story wasn't filmed as well.

http://www.memphisbelle.com/

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It was only the American crews who had to fly the 25 missions before being shipped back home as heroes. The english crews had to keep flying throughout the war regardless of the number of missions they flew. Therefore to get the suspense of the will they won't they survive their final mission it had to be about a US crew. Don't get me wrong I love the film but facts are facts!!

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There's only 2 Airworthy Lancasters in the world, one of which is operated by the RAFs Battle of Britain Memorial Flight

It's interesting that people only think of the Lancaster when they think of RAF Bombers, they always seem to forget:

Heavy Bomers (4 Engines)

Handley Page Halifax (None Airworthy)
Short Stirling (Not sure about Airworthy Models)

Medium Bombers (Twin Engines)

Handley Page Hampden (My Grandfather served as an Air Observer on this type)
Vickers Wellington (None Airworthy)

Light Bombers (Twin Engines)

Bristol Blenheim

There were many others but this gives a outline of the vast array

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There's only 2 Airworthy Lancasters in the world, one of which is operated by the RAFs Battle of Britain Memorial Flight


In this day and age of CGI, all you'd need is one airworthy Lancaster to make a movie.

There have been a couple of movies made about Lancasters during the 1950s (Appointment in London and The Dam Busters come to mind); not quite as many as all the B-17 movies (Air Force, Twelve O'clock High, Command Decision, The War Lover, & The Thousand Plane Raid, as well as both versions of Memphis Belle to name a few) but they've been done.

But if you're talking about a new Lancaster movie, I've always wished that someone would make a movie version of the 1970s novel The Distant Summer by Sarah Patterson, the daughter of Jack Higgins. It's written from the POV of an RAF chaplain's 17 year old daughter who falls in love with a 19 year old Lancaster tail gunner. Right now I could see Emma Watson of the Harry Potter movies as the female lead, with Anthony Head or Jason Isaacs as her dad, and there's a whole slew of British male actors in their late teens/early 20s who could fill out the rest of the cast.

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Ever heard of 'Night Flight', a 2 parter made in 2002 with Christopher Plummer & Edward Woodward? It featured the well known Battle of Britain Avro Lancaster for the flying sequences & another- not very well known- Lanc called 'Just Jane' for the ground taxiing roles.

'Just Jane' has her own website, & has 'taxi' days, pyro displays at night & sometimes a visiting Spitfire performs overhead. Visitors can ride inside this beautifully restored aircraft on a high speed, tail up run...

Look up East Kirby on the web.

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"There's only 2 Airworthy Lancasters in the world, one of which is operated by the RAFs Battle of Britain Memorial Flight"

Ah, but there is another.

Two flyable Lancasters plus a third taxiable example:

http://www.lincsaviation.co.uk/

"But if you're talking about a new Lancaster movie, I've always wished that someone would make a movie version of the 1970s novel The Distant Summer by Sarah Patterson, the daughter of Jack Higgins. It's written from the POV of an RAF chaplain's 17 year old daughter who falls in love with a 19 year old Lancaster tail gunner. Right now I could see Emma Watson of the Harry Potter movies as the female lead, with Anthony Head or Jason Isaacs as her dad, and there's a whole slew of British male actors in their late teens/early 20s who could fill out the rest of the cast."

That could make a good British TV project, anybody from the BBC out there?
Looks like East Kirkby would make a good location.

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David Puttnam got this project underway shortly after Chariots of Fire as a story about a Lancaster crew and had it ready when he was offered (and accepted) the post as head of Columbia studios and made the film while in charge as a USAAF film instead. He didn't need much persuading, especially after he'd seen the '44 American film.

The best account of a bombing raid, which charts both the raid and its effect on the German population which had to endure it, is the BBC's radio adaptation of Len Deighton's Bomber. It's accurate and well researched and dispels a few common myths, still widely believed on imdb.

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Time to update this message, It's been almost five years and Emma Watson at 21 is getting too old to play 17 year old Kate Hamilton, the heroine and narrator of The Distant Summer. However, Georgie Henley of the Chronicles of Narnia movies is the right age now. Especially since the movie series is done with the books in which her character of Lucy Pevensie appears.

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The real Memphis Belle was English? Errr, not British? Really? I know there is a Memphis, Tennessee. I didn't know there was a Memphis, England. You learn something new every day!

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How was Margaret Polk (Bob Morgan's girlfriend), a young lady from Memphis, TN, English?

And if you mean the Fort herself, she was built in Seattle, WA.

How do you derive English from either of those items?

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The original poster apologized for his mistake a while back, read the entire thread before you become accusatory.

Can anyone tell me how many operational Spitfires and Hurricanes are still around?

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According to wikipedia there are approximately 44 airworthy Spitfires. There are approximately 9 Airworthy Hurricanes in the UK

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Thanks.

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I read every post here. Some good points. As for the Belle. I think one of the posters was right, I remember hearing that it was in fact named after a woman in Memphis, Tennessee nicknamed 'Belle' I don't think she was Enlgish. Not that I would mind, I love English girls lol

As for U-571, yeah that movie pissed off a lot of British folks and it prompted president Clinton at the time to write a letter to the UK stating that the film was a work of fiction. One of the reasons why I dislike Hollywood. It's also why I am against American movies being featured over in Europe anyways. I've been all around the world and people I've seen don't care too much for American movies. Although I do love British movies, but I don't think Hollywood needs to send every piece of crap they produce over seas.

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What is being said is that the original story and pitch for the movie was for a story about a British bomber crew, but they could only get funding for a movie about an American crew. (I've heard the same thing).

Memphis Belle came about after the original story was adapted to use American crew's and bombers, nobody was saying there's a Memphis in the UK.

One plus point would be that the USAAF usually operated by day, whereas the RAF flew bombing raids by night which might have been more suited to a movie.

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"It's also why I am against American movies being featured over in Europe anyways. I've been all around the world and people I've seen don't care too much for American movies. Although I do love British movies, but I don't think Hollywood needs to send every piece of crap they produce over seas."


I doubt if they would if there weren't a sizable market for them. Somebody over there must be going to see American movies.

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Where is Memphis in England?

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Memphis, England is up river from New Orleans, England. New Orleans, England is the site of the famous battle where Pakenham beat Jackson in 1815.

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