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Anime OAV v.s. TV serie ??


witch one is the best ?

I prefer the OAV .. the music is soooo good :) and the fight scene rocks !!

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Personally, I like both versions. They each have their strengths and weaknesses; the OVA is a classic, hands down--every minute of the show is priceless, from start to finish. The TV series isn't quite on the same level, but it does have its areas of appeal: I found Spark to be a very interesting character, thanks to Crispin Freeman's outstanding performance of him in the English dub. Plus, the music sounds richer and more orchestral; not that I disliked the OVA music--it was great, but the TV series was richer.

In terms of how I think the series fares in English, I find that the OVA dub is a little better than the TV series; while there are some awkward sounding lines and some cheesy sounding minor characters, they don't really affect that much and the performances are quite well done, especially Lisa Ortiz as Deedlit. The TV dub reuses most of the same actors from the dub (unlike the Japanese version), although it has problems its predecessor didn't, ranking it just a notch below. Still, it DOES have its saving graces; in addition to Crispin Freeman's Spark, the dub's standout performance is Angora Deb, who is hilarious as the sassy half-elf Leaf.

-Jon T.

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The music was pretty good in the TV series, but I feel the darker, orchestral music does more in creating the mood for the OVA. The voice-acting is also good, as they use many of the same actors. The voices for the villians are very bad, and I was disappointed that they had to change the actor for Wagnard.

However, I disagree about the TV series being on par with the OVA. Come on, the first part is basically a rehash of the OVA with a few little tweaks, the characters are dummed down to their basic elements and none of them have shown any growth. The second part introduces characters we'd find in any hackish fantasy anime with all the crazy hair colors and attitudes. It has none of the old-fantasy feel that the Lodoss OVA had. That and the story itself is filled with cliches. Oh, and might I add that since it's a TV series the animation is simply terrible in some parts, with none of the fine-lined detail the OVA had?

Basically the OVA was outstanding, and the TV series failed to deliver. There's so many ways the series could have been better. If Shiris and Orson had recognized Parn instead of meet him for the first time. I also feel like Parn's character matured superficially, as he still gets his ass handed to him by Kashue and still can't get his feelings across to Deedlit. Many of the characters pretenses for joining the group were pretty lame. You can do much better than the TV series, don't even bother.

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<,The voice-acting is also good, as they use many of the same actors. The voices for the villians are very bad, and I was disappointed that they had to change the actor for Wagnard. >>

Hearing a different voice for Wagnard proved jarring to me too, since I loved the original guy who did his voice (Jayce Reeves). (Although he DID return for one episode.) That said, though, the new guy (Pete Zarustica) actually kinda grew on me over the last few episodes.

As far as most of the bad guys' voices go, yeah, they were pretty cheesy, but there were some which I thought were OK: John Knox as Ashram--technically not a "villain", but I found him pretty effective. Meg Frances as Karla--No problems with her.

As for whether the TV series failed to deliver or not, well, I guess that's just where we can agree to disagree; I like the OVA better too, but the TV show does have its assets IMO. I can actually think of far worse Anime than the LODOSS TV series, and frankly, I think the CotHK is leaps and bounds above some of the true drecks of Anime (M.D. GEIST *cough, cough*).

-Jon T.

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Fair enough, I didn't have a problem with Ashram or Karla, and I didn't even know Jayce Reeves came back for an episode (wow). That dark elf guy was annoying, glad he got cut down.

I would say that if you're a fan of anime, then the TV show will be an entertaining spectacle (but I'd watch it before the OVA), and if you're a fan of fantasy in particular you'll probably be more satisfied with the OVA. There are some shining moments in the TV series, we get to see a more mature Deedlit and Parn, albeit in small parts since the spotlight really is on Spark.

My fervent wish is that they come out with another OVA set inbetween the OVA and the TV series, but I have no idea what they would base it on. If they did something on Lodoss, I think basing it on the first heroic six (Fahn, Beld, Karla, and the others) would be awesome. But it'd be incredibly violent and not suitable for many audiences.

I doubt that's going to happen though, they don't make 'em like they used to in the early 90's.

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<<Fair enough, I didn't have a problem with Ashram or Karla, and I didn't even know Jayce Reeves came back for an episode (wow). That dark elf guy was annoying, glad he got cut down. >>

Yep, he voices him on Episode 18. His performance, in my opinion, is a grossly underrated one; it's full of devilish evil and malice, and his booming laughter is just terrifying.

That "dark elf guy" is known as Astar, and yeah, I found him pretty jarring as well; aside from him, the only other voices I had issues with were Governor Rabido in ep. 15 and especially Prince Reona, he sounded way too deadpan and emotionless to be a fighter of justice. To be fair, though, none of those voices ruined the dubbing for me (although Parn's more mature voice captivated me less than he did in the OVA and I was also irritated that Lisa Ortiz's Deedlit was replaced for two episodes).

-Jon T.

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I like both, for different reasons. I think I like the OVA better, but I still loved Chronicles.

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The OVA, it's the only anime I've seen that seems more than just an anime. It's actually quite different with a more western feel to it. Much more interesting than the TV series more immature feel.

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Without a doubt the OVA.
This was actually one of the first anime shows I had ever seen, and still remains one of my favorites.
Most hardcore anime dorks disagree, because evidently the Lodoss TV series stays a little truer to the novels. regardless, I still say the OVA is superior in every way.
Being a huge fan of the OVAs, I was pretty glad to hear about the release of the TV series when it first came out. After watching it, I was just kinda pissed. The TV series is completely horrible. Especially if you really like the OVA. The TV series seems more like some dorky anime chatroom than a fantasy series. The characters are all buddy buddy, they say corny things like, "Woodchuck was a bad thief, but a good friend.", and the art/animation is pathetic. Looking back on the OVA, the characters were all interesting and somewhat realistic looking(for an anime). In the TV series, we have your standard crap anime character designs: blue/pink/purple-haired people, that same simpley-drawn anime face used over and over again, and terribley animated fights. It's a huge let down.
I remember after viewing only about 20 minutes of the godawful TV series, they had completely ruined two of my favorite characters. Parn was no longer the impulsive young fighter guy. Nope, now he is some blowhard windbag that struts around in a huge cape. And that awesome berserk guy Orson was ruined as well. He used to be the silent tormented crazy guy. They changed him to some geeky idiot that was all celebrating with his loving pals when he was freed from his berserker demon.
I won't even comment on "Welcome to Lodoss Island." jeezus......
Simply put, The TV series is garbage. It changed everything I liked about the OVA for the worst. And introduced a bunch of severely crap characters. Avoid it.

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The OVA, for many reasons. Especially for its ending. I felt that I did not enjoy the finale in the TV series, as it was drawn out and did not encompass the same emotion the OVA delivered with Parn rescuing Deedlit. That, and it lacked the passion the OVA delivered. Worse still is that the TV series' final episode demeaned the concept of life, death, and those who would sacrifice themselves for a good cause. Instead they wanted to make things peachy and happy for all. That doesn’t make a show good... most times. You have to spill some blood to put atmosphere and emotion into the script. Otherwise, it can lose much ground from trying to be epic. Especially when everyone just crawls out from the woodwork, to contribute only small roles to the conclusion. Sure, it was Spark’s moment to shine, but there was so much missing from it that originally made Parn’s OVA version great. Even with the cliché ‘save the girl alone’ ideal. At least Deedlit was worth saving in the OVA. In the TV series? I felt that she was more annoying, both from her physical mannerisms, and voice casting. At least in the OVA, she was cute and had more of a human side to her. Like less of a superficial personality. You can tell that just from Yumi Touma’s portrayal in her voice. Plus Deedlit had more screen time. (which is always good! =P)

The fact that Ashram plays out a more important role too at the OVA's end intensifies the 'destiny' idea between him, Parn, and the swords they inherit. Although I enjoyed the presence of some of the new characters from the TV series, I could never forgive what they did to the OVA characters. Fair enough, it was kind of them to save some from their OVA demises, but… eh, some things are best left with tragedy, to make you want to salute them for who they were, and the depth they had.

Oh yeah, and I agree with everyone who says that the OVA had way better animation than the TV series. You know what's sad though? The fact that I LOVE the TV series for its intro with the 'Sea of Miracles' main theme. THAT had quality animation, music, and epic qualities to it. Where was any of that in the actual episodes?! The fighting that goes on in the intro was AMAZINGLY BETTER too. That's one other reason why I was saddened to see that the show's ending was mediocre, when the intro to every ep showed what could have been on par or better than the OVA.

Anyhoo... what's done is done. It can't be helped. A little information though between the OVA and TV versions:

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After deciding to adapt the first Lodoss novel of the series into an OVA, the producers were soon faced with a problem: How to compress the events of the book into the bite-sized pieces required for a television production? There was no way to include everything, even thirteen episodes to fill. So they streamlined the story, deleting certain characters and events. As a result, this adaptation comprised the OVA's first eight episodes. Still left with many dangling plot lines, they used the final five episodes of the series to create a suitable closure.

This solution worked just fine until production of the Lodoss TV series began five years later. The producers decided to re-tell certain events from the OVA in the manner that they appeared in the novels, and as a result, several examples of disparate continuity emerged (such as the re-introduction of Orson and Shiris). Faced with alternate versions of earlier choronicled events, it's best for Lodoss fans to simply attribute these oddities to production issues and enjoy both the OVA and TV series at face value.

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I got that from the TV series free booklet with the boxed set, if anyone was curious.

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I absolutely love Lodoss right now, and that's thanks mainly to the OVA. I haven't seen the TV series and don't plan to based on many of the criticisms I've heard (some of which are nicely summed up here). I've instead skipped straight to the Deedlit's Tale manga, which has been great.

James

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The TV series isn't as bad as its critics have suggested IMO. It's more slower, and the production values are admittingly weaker than the OVA, but it does present an interesting if predictable alternate take on the events which follow the eighth episode of the OVA. I should mention, too, that the English voice cast remains mostly identical from the OVA in the TV series... although the quality of the TV dub isn't as good as the OVA. Still, it's not a complete waste of time, but if you're too afraid to check it out, hey, that's fine too.

-Jon T.

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the production values are admittingly weaker than the OVA

Unfortunately, I could tell that within the first five seconds of viewing a preview :)

Still, it's not a complete waste of time, but if you're too afraid to check it out, hey, that's fine too.

Hmm...maybe sometime when I don't have to worry about needing the money again someday :). I am planning to go to England and all. Anyway, the Deedlit's Tale manga has been a great follow-up to the OVA. It feels as much like Lodoss as anything else I can imagine, and if I ever miss hearing the music from the series while reading it, I can just pop in my soundtrack. Seriously, besides this talk of the OVA and the TV series, I'd also recommend Deedlit's Tale to any fan.

James

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Hmm I haven't read that yet....

But the tv series is NOT as bad as some people say it is. I actually really liked it. (maybe because my favorite character lived in it lol) True, it's not as good as the OVA, but if you can rent it or get it really cheap you should. (since you need to save money lol) I'm glad I bought it, and I've watched it a few times, and love it. (yes, I like it that much) (even if it's not as good as the OVA) The only thing that REALLY bothered me about the whole tv series was the stupid chibi "Welcome to Lodoss Island" bits at the end of each episode. They're not as annoying subbed, but the dub of them is terrible. They're just so annoying, and I love chibi things.

But the dub for it is pretty bad....I'm not a sub purist, but with a few exceptions, the dub was bad. But I still love it.

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The "Lodoss Island" segments are probably the only part of the LODOSS dub that I'd call unlistenable. The dub for the main TV series itself is OK but not great--the OVA one trumps it overall in quality and consistency.

-Jon T.

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I agree. I really do hate those stupid Lodoss Island chibis....lol

Even subbed...they kind of grated on my nerves...I guess it was just how silly they were, and it killed the mood of some of the episodes. Like after a certain person died (not saying who in case someone wants to go watch it and not be spoiled lol) they had the stupid Lodoss Island and killed ALL the dramatic impact.

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Personally I like the OVA the most as it is for the most part cohesive and only gets herky-jerky near the end, which seems a recurring problem with alot of anime.

The TV series isn't bad, its just jarringly diffrent as it takes a very diffrent course which apparently follows the novel closer than the OVA did. It just lacked some of the focus and impact of the OVA as it was a longer tale to unfold.

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I saw the TV series first and loved the first 8 episodes but the main part of the TV series with Spark is really weak. I can't believe that's how the novels actually go down but it makes sense if they wanted to keep making money they would drag it out forever and have Ashram start a new journey rather than wrap everything up succinctly like OVA.

Anyway the OVA is amazing and so much better than the TV series. The OVA has to be one of the best things I've ever seen. I love the final fight between Wagnard, Ashram and Parn - I just wish they had let Abram and Bramd join the dragon fight for a few minutes.

I hated the ending to the TV series. Wagnard is easily fooled by having two people rush him at once? Karla would be caught off guard that easily by Parn? The resurrection of Kardis wasn't bad but I hate the focus on Spark instead of Parn.

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