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King of New York better than Scarface??


I was just wondering if you guys thought King of New York was better than Scarface...

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absolutely

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if frank and tony had worked the same town tony would have died younger

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Yeah I gotta go with King of New York to, Frank is just a smarter guy better organized and the movie has a better story to it.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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I say Scarface, but not by a lot. Just cuz I love Pacino

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If Al Pacino wasn't in Scarface we wouldn't be talking about it.

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My vote goes to King Of New York

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definately king of new york its also better than the godfather trilogy.
walken is better than pacino anyway

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Hah! I really like K of NY, but better than Godfather? Negative. Godfather may be old and played out but in comparison to a merely good film like KNY it stands supreme. Everything in Godfather is motivated, King of New York's story and plot has so many holes in it, if it were'nt directed by a guerilla genius like Ferrara it would be laughable. There are so many instances of absolute ridiculous improbability, like Frank is gonna escape on a subway after breaking in to the cop's apartment? How come the cop doesn't open the cuffs with his KEY? Why doesn't he drag that little chair to where the key is? As smart as Frank is, HOW COME HE JUST TAKES HIS GUN...WHY DIDN'T HE CUFF HIM TO A RADIATOR OR SOMETHING ELSE? Don't get me wrong, I love the movie. But better than a tightly weaved and executed film like Godfather? Ummm, no.

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king of new york is much less humid.



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It's a little hard to say if Ferrara did a better job with his own writer's script over DePalma, but I do definitely go for Walken in this film over Pacino in that film any day.

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NO IT'S SIMPLE LISTEN UP...

THE TOP GANGSTER MOVIES EVER MADE IN ORDER...

1-THE GODFATHER TRILOGY

2-SCARFACE/ORGINAL SCARFACE

3-GOODFELLAS

4-MEAN STREETS

5-CASINO

6-ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA

7-CARLITO'S WAY

8-DONNIE BRASCO

9-KING OF NEW YORK

10-THE UNTOUCHABLES

11-STATE OF GRACE

12-MILLER'S CROSSING

13-ROAD TO PERDITION

14-BUGSY

15-A BRONX TALE

16-WHITE HEAT

17-HIGH SIERRA/The PETRIFIED FOREST

18-LITTLE CAESAR/THE LONG GOOD FRIDAY

19-ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES

20-ROARING TWENTIES/THE PUBLIC ENEMY

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Keep the above list to 10 and switch Millers Crossing for the Untouchables, and you'll have my blessing.

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1. b.u.s.t.e.d
2.heat
3. king of new york
4. scarface
5.cotton club
6.goodfellas
7.godfather 2
8. hoodlum
9. snacth/ lock stock 2 smoking barrells
10. mobsters
11.leon
12.collateral
13.colors
14. menace to society
15. american history x
16. blood in blood out
17. american me
18. zoot suit
19. mi vida loca
20.the warriors
21. boondock saints
22. usaual suspects

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uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu gotta be kiding me
with all do respect to this list , the 1st list seem correect to me
hows any human being put heat in nop2 and godfather in no7 and the worst thing is he says godfather 2 , hmm so u just saw 2 or u like 2 and hated the triology
every time i read such smalltime comparisons it really gets to me both movies are great 2 defrent types and 2 defrent experiences why compare , the person that conpares 2 movies isnt really interested in which is better , hes propably felt effected by someone opinion at some point about the ither film and now he saw something he likes so he appears annoncing to the world that K Of NY is even better than Coppolla's Epical triology The GodFather hmmm
ok sory for the language but if in the terms of langage u can call this an opinion please keep it to ure self , and try to read or study just a litle about any form of art .before comparing movies , and last about the 2nd list ,@drkbred1 some of these are not even gangster movies ( as they were called here ) lmao

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The thing about Scarface is that it has a more "epic" feel to it, being that it is close to three hours in length. Watching King of New York recently, I would have to say that it's a better film. I think the acting in King is leagues beyond Scarface. At the least, it definitely has a better cast. And Laurence Fishburne as Gangster Morpheus before he was taken out of the Matrix is great in this.

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WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SAYING!!??

Scarface is a masterpiece, King Of New York isn't even close to Scarface. The person who put Scarface #2 and King Of New York as #9 is right. KoNY can't be compared to Scarface. Scarface is Superior, KoNY isn't. Plus Walken better than Pacino?? Ok, Pacino is probably the greatest actor of all time, and Scarface cemented his status as one of the greatest ever. Scarface 9/10 King of New York 7/10

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They are both good in their own bad-ass way. Even though Frank was a bit smarter than Tony, his ass still died anyway. This just tells you that bad-assess (despite how cool they are) don't last.

Also, in my own opinion, I think the only reason lots of people liked Scarface in the first place was because of the very end of the movie where he massacred all them *beep* (plus it was the bloodiest scene and more gun-smoking). The rest of the movie was a bit slow but still entertaining. I know this 'cos whenever someone brings up this movie, they go right to the end and be like: "remember how he shot all them people?"

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I must say I rather Scarface... It gives the viewer everything s/he wants, its loaded with lots of class lines, cool scenes and violent scenes, Tony Montana's one of the greatest characters ever, it reminds us of the GTA games, and Oliver Stone's script is rather sharp I must say!

King of New York is a film you like much better on its second viewing.... Like Scarface it is very fictitious and contains a lot of crazy fantasy violence and situations... Walken is excellent as Frank, but Ferrara's slow-moving direction slows it down somewhat, and it's rather hard to enjoy at times... Like Bad Lieutenant is, but like BL, it's still a great ****ing movie!

But Scarface is the better film in my opinion...

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Pacino better actor than Walken. I dont think so. Pacino did some very good performances in the 70s and early 80s, and some decent flicks later on, but then he went down doing more and more crap movies in the 90s and 2000ds (exept Donnie Brasco and Carlito's Way). Comparing the roles that made him famous, one might call him a one trick pony. Dont get me wrong, I had a damn good time with Pacino movies, the guy was great. But those times are long gone. Walken on the other hand has more substance and more variety.

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You shoild see more Pacino films then like:

-Merchant of Venice
-Insomnia
-Angels In America

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HELL NO, Tony Montana is The King and Frank White is a small time hustler

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Scarface is MAD overrated. King of New York is MAD underappreciated. I agree with the guy who said Tony Montana would've died a lot younger if he was trying to operate in NYC.

I don't understand why this movie's following isn't huge. I see all these kids on the subway and on the streets where Frank White ruled (in the movie) wearing their Scarface shirts, and they've probably never even seen King of New York. They need to get educated.

King of New York has style to burn and a fantastic cast. While Larry Fishburne's performance is way over-the-top, it never feels forced to me the way Al Pacino's performance is in Scarface.

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I wouldn't be able to say if King Of New York is better than Scarface, because even if they both are gangster movies focusing on the rise and fall of one central character, they are sooooooo different!!!!!

I would go for K of NY tho. Walken is incredible ( the sequence when he shoots that irish prick who pisses on Joey's shoes is f uckin brilliant!!! what a stone cold killing motherfocker!!!), but Larry Fishburne has to be one of the greatest characters in gangster films. (gut laughing when shot to death...oh my god!!! he's amazing)

K of NY has this realistic side in its favor. Scarface was too mainstream, at least thats my opinion. Also the fact that it was made in the 80's makes it look really...well 80's (I know its stupid)...and kind of cheesy. I love it still and Montana is one of the best gangsta depicted in a film. But Ferrara's film has got this raw, visceral, and sordid look. I also loved the way cops are portrayed: desperate and human, and it is ambigue and credible ("There's only one way to bring Frank down" Gilley (D.Caruso)

My favorite gangster movies:

1. Goodfellas
2. Carlito's Way
3. The Godfather Trilogy (even the third part, but part II is a masterpiece)
3. The Usual Suspects (what a masterpiece!!)
4. King Of New York
7. Once Upon A Time In America
8. Reservoir Dogs
9. Scarface
10. Mean Streets

also: Donnie Brasco, Heat, Public Enemy, White Heat, and so many more.

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I thought the second DePalma film with Pacino "Carlitos Way" was a better film than their previous "Scarface" To me "Scarface" looks dated and overexposed, whereas "Carlito's Way" still looks fresh and vibrant. I liked the cast better in the second film also. King of NY outdoes both of those films when it comes to the casting, mad props to the casting director to get so many names in one film; Walken, Fishburne, Caruso, Snipes, Buscemi and Argo. Reminds me of another good gangster film with so many A-list names "True Romance"; Slater, Oldman, Pitt, Kilmer, Rappaport, Gandofini, Walken, Hopper, Penn, and more...

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I go with Frank White. I've revisited my old stock of vhs guns n drugs movies recently, and Frank's crew (and his plan)is pure class. Even the cops are rolling in the dirt.
Scarface is more like Flashdance with a ton of coke. And Tony can't dance to save his life. Some Cubano, huh?
Ferrara seems to know the people he makes films about. De Palma may well know what coke looks like, but I doubt that he knows many Cuban gangsters.
The music in Scarface is as naff as any episode of Miami Vice. Fania would have been far more effective than the Estefan style fake electro that blows the mood to hell. By contrast, the music in King of New York is pure street.(On the original vhs, at least)
I realise that there's a few million miles between the cultures portrayed, but Tony Montana is a caraciture, while Frank White is a fairly believable composite character.
Scarface's "refreshment" budget probably exceeded Ferrara's total budget by a factor of ten, but it doesn't really show in the production values.
Scarface is way too long, and King of New York feels way too short.
As noted above, the cast list in King of New York is stellar, and Walken effortlessly outshines everyone. Only his performance in The Deer Hunter betters Frank White.

Best gangster movie? City of God. It's a long way from Hollywood.

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I am going to have to give in and go into the majority that I like Scarface mainly because of the end scene, but hey, its a great scene. King of New York is more entertaining I think. The scene seeing Walken dance to the Schooly D song is priceless, and I have still yet to find a Fishburne performance that tops this one, laughing his a$$ off when he was shot was great.

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king of new york is the movie scarface desperatly wishes it could be.tony a coked up idiot,frank white is the epitome of cool.

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I gotta go with scarface pacino's performence cant be beat even though some say it is over the top. I also found the whole movie to be better too as you get more involved with the characters and it stirs up more emotions. I have seen scarface 26 times and i still dont have my fill yet.

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Agreed on the Fania shout there...

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