King of New York better than Scarface??

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Hah! I really like K of NY, but better than Godfather? Negative. Godfather may be old and played out but in comparison to a merely good film like KNY it stands supreme. Everything in Godfather is motivated, King of New York's story and plot has so many holes in it, if it were'nt directed by a guerilla genius like Ferrara it would be laughable. There are so many instances of absolute ridiculous improbability, like Frank is gonna escape on a subway after breaking in to the cop's apartment? How come the cop doesn't open the cuffs with his KEY? Why doesn't he drag that little chair to where the key is? As smart as Frank is, HOW COME HE JUST TAKES HIS GUN...WHY DIDN'T HE CUFF HIM TO A RADIATOR OR SOMETHING ELSE? Don't get me wrong, I love the movie. But better than a tightly weaved and executed film like Godfather? Ummm, no.

king of new york is much less humid.



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Keep the above list to 10 and switch Millers Crossing for the Untouchables, and you'll have my blessing.

1. b.u.s.t.e.d
2.heat
3. king of new york
4. scarface
5.cotton club
6.goodfellas
7.godfather 2
8. hoodlum
9. snacth/ lock stock 2 smoking barrells
10. mobsters
11.leon
12.collateral
13.colors
14. menace to society
15. american history x
16. blood in blood out
17. american me
18. zoot suit
19. mi vida loca
20.the warriors
21. boondock saints
22. usaual suspects

HOODLUM???
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119311/

They are both good in their own bad-ass way. Even though Frank was a bit smarter than Tony, his ass still died anyway. This just tells you that bad-assess (despite how cool they are) don't last.

Also, in my own opinion, I think the only reason lots of people liked Scarface in the first place was because of the very end of the movie where he massacred all them *beep* (plus it was the bloodiest scene and more gun-smoking). The rest of the movie was a bit slow but still entertaining. I know this 'cos whenever someone brings up this movie, they go right to the end and be like: "remember how he shot all them people?"

Pacino better actor than Walken. I dont think so. Pacino did some very good performances in the 70s and early 80s, and some decent flicks later on, but then he went down doing more and more crap movies in the 90s and 2000ds (exept Donnie Brasco and Carlito's Way). Comparing the roles that made him famous, one might call him a one trick pony. Dont get me wrong, I had a damn good time with Pacino movies, the guy was great. But those times are long gone. Walken on the other hand has more substance and more variety.

I go with Frank White. I've revisited my old stock of vhs guns n drugs movies recently, and Frank's crew (and his plan)is pure class. Even the cops are rolling in the dirt.
Scarface is more like Flashdance with a ton of coke. And Tony can't dance to save his life. Some Cubano, huh?
Ferrara seems to know the people he makes films about. De Palma may well know what coke looks like, but I doubt that he knows many Cuban gangsters.
The music in Scarface is as naff as any episode of Miami Vice. Fania would have been far more effective than the Estefan style fake electro that blows the mood to hell. By contrast, the music in King of New York is pure street.(On the original vhs, at least)
I realise that there's a few million miles between the cultures portrayed, but Tony Montana is a caraciture, while Frank White is a fairly believable composite character.
Scarface's "refreshment" budget probably exceeded Ferrara's total budget by a factor of ten, but it doesn't really show in the production values.
Scarface is way too long, and King of New York feels way too short.
As noted above, the cast list in King of New York is stellar, and Walken effortlessly outshines everyone. Only his performance in The Deer Hunter betters Frank White.

Best gangster movie? City of God. It's a long way from Hollywood.