...Borodin's death. Not only was it only was it a pointless killing of a good character, it was anti-climatic and nobody seemed to care that he even died.
Poor Sam Neill.
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You should read the novel then. Borodin does not die nor even shot.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
In the novel, a character named Komarov died. He was not adapted to the movie and his role was folded into Borodin's.
shareKomarov is the navigator on Red October and is played by actor Michael Weldon in the movie. The Kamorov character is featured most prominently as Red October initiates its run of the Reykjanes Ridge (Red Route One) and particularly during the torpedo evasion sequence within the underwater canyons. He is the character who calculates and calls out each turning point during the canyon run.
Kamorov: "Passing Thor's Twins."
Borodin: "Passing the twins now, captain."
Ramius: "Very well. You may commence your run. Call me at the first turn."
Borodin: "Aye, captain.
Borodin: "Mr. Kamarov, you may commence your run."
Didn't know that character was named Komarov. My apologies.
Even so, the story of the character from the book was still folded into Sam Neill's role.
hahahahahaa CGSailer. I remember that fucking geek hahahaaa. what a pricktard.
shareIt's not exactly the time to get sentimental when you have an attack sub bearing down on you and a guy with a pistol taking shots and/or potentially destroying the ship. These are men who know that their actions could end in tragedy and, if anything, they probably felt themselves fortunate to get off so easy in the end.
I agree that his death didn't do much for the picture but their reaction to his death aren't out of line from where I sit.
I disagree. I think it showed that there are casualties and not everyone gets a happy ending. It means there are actual consequences to their actions.
Obviously they weren't going to launch a missile or the sub wasn't going to sink. But putting his death in there showed there were actual consequences.
Borodin dies 15 minutes before the end ... so you just said 95% of the film was good
shareActually, he said 71,05% of the movie was good.
shareSo you are saying that the 2 hour and 15 minutes film was good for 4 hours and 30 minutes?
shareI think Kendricks meant to put 71.05%.
shareI was replying to Redban
shareI have to admit I don't get where you get 4 hours and 30 minutes from 95%.
shareIf 15 minutes was 5% of a film, then the length of the film has to be 20 times that…300 minutes, or 5 hours.
95% of 5 hours is 285 minutes or 4 hours and 45 minutes…so I was off by 15 minutes, but you get my drift.
I think you need to look at the comment again. He said Sam Neil's character dies in the last 15 minutes of the film. As in there's only 15 minutes left of the movie when he dies. So yeah. He liked 90%of the film.
shareRedban was replying to the OP who said the film was good until Neil’s character passed. Redban said he died 15 minutes before the end and that the OP was thus basically saying 95% (Redbans words) of the film was good. Thus a 300 minute film.
Anyway, I was just funnin’ with him on the math vs the actual runtime of the film, 135 minutes start to finish.
All is good, I thought his death was pointless and sad too. Maybe no death in that scene or a lesser character.
1). Brolin dies 15 mins before end
2). The movie was good before Brolin dies, per OP
3). The movie is 130 minutes long minus credits, and Brolin dies around the 120 minute mark
4). When Brolin died, the movie had about 8-9% left
Therefore -the OP said about 95% of the movie is good, as near 95% of the movie was done before Brolin dies
Now please tell me how you start talking about 4 hrs and 30 minutes?
If 15 minutes was 5% of a film, then the length of the film has to be 20 times that…300 minutes, or 5 hours.
95% of 5 hours is 285 minutes or 4 hours and 45 minutes…so I was off by 15 minutes, but you get my drift.
So the OP liked 89% of the movie instead of 95%.
You really had to bust out a calculator to call me out on a 6% difference ?
The movie was great even with Borodin's death. I think it would have been better if he survived because everyone liked him, but maybe they didn't want a situation where a Soviet citizen defects to America to have a plump wife (his choice), rabbits, a pickup truck (God forbid!) and be able to travel freely. It's a Hollywood movie written by an American author, but maybe they didn't intentionally *want* to portray life in America as heaven compared to the old Soviet Union (even if it was).
Wrong. Everyone cares that Borodin died, that’s why it was a great tragic moment. Kudos to Sam Neil for making him so sympathetic and memorable.
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It was a tragic moment, but *for me*, it would have been a better movie if he lived. I pretty much skip the part where he gets shot and dies.
There was no need for him to die to advance the plot, and indeed he did not die in the book.