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A Zaney Romp through 1940s Europe


A Must see for fans of those darned nazis and their shenanigans!!!

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And those wacky Soviets, too!! What a pair of cutups!

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Europa Europa is the only film I have ever seen that truly shows how the Nazis and Soviets cooperated before they fought each other.

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Yes, this little aspect of the beginning of WWII is often overlooked, because the UK and the US were forced by necessity (i.e., Germany was successfully conquering Europe) to ally with the Soviet Union. The reason why this is so ironic (although that is something of a weak term for it) is that it was the invasion of Poland BY GERMANY that caused the UK and France to declare war on Germany. However, the invasion of Poland was undertaken because Hitler concluded a non-agression pact with Stalin, part of which was that they would carve up Poland between them (before Poland regained independence at the end of WWI, Germany and Russia occupied most of it). So the Western allies went to war against Germany when it invaded Poland from the West, but didn't go after the Soviet Union for invading it from the East at the same time. After Hitler trounced Poland in September, 1939, then successfully conquered most of Western Europe in the Summer of 1940, he could then turn his attention again to the Soviet Union, and invaded them the next year, taking back the part of Poland that the Soviet Union had taken two years previously. Because of that, the Soviet Union's sins were whitewashed and it became one of the Western allies. The ultimate irony was that, at the end of WWII, the Soviet Union incorporated the Eastern part of Poland into it (transferring the population to the West), and occupied the rest of Poland, so that the causus belli initiating WWII (the invasion and occupation of Poland by a hostile power) was accepted at the end of the war - and several more countries in Eastern Europe suffered the same fate. That brought on the Cold War, so we all became anti-Soviet, but we never seemed to re-raise the fact that the Soviet Union was one of the intial aggressors in WWII (possibly because we had acquiesced in it for so long).

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Oh, YES! Soviet Union and Germany really started the war after signing Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. That pact allowed them (the Soviets) to occupy not only half of Poland, but also Romania, to speak only of the biggest countries which were affected. That, for example forced Romania to enter the war for regaining the lost provinces. The sad thing is that they were considered allies by the Western countries. How could they be so naive???
The end of this story is that Soviet Union really destroyed half of the whole Europe. It was like a pest for more tan 40 years. The cherry on the cake after the war!

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Thank you, Mark-1589 for that excellent history lesson.

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One problem with Mark's history lesson is that he overlooks the fact that the US never declared war on Germany ... Germany declared on the US ... after Pearl Harbor ... which many historians will tell you was one of Hitler's biggest mistakes.

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I'm afraid I don't see the point of your comment. How is that a problem with what I wrote? It is true that Germany declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor (as did Italy), but I didn't suggest otherwise, moreover this is not relevant to what I wrote.

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Gee, we have two dictators, one who killed far more many as people before all said and done, and the other turned to such brutality at least in part to prevent that brand of tyranny (Bolshevism) from overtaking Germany and all of Europe. The first dictator not only invaded Poland, but the Baltic States and Finland as well. One was somewhat conducive to Jewish interests, indeed as the ideology on which his power is based has profound Jewish antecedents, the other was decidedly adverse to Jewish interests. The political and financial institutions of both the United Kingdom and United States have been unduly usurped by Jewish interests. And so we set all of Europa ablaze in the name of destroying the second dictator not because he was a tyrant, but because he was a tyrant adverse to Jewish interests.

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fwsauerteig, evidently you have been reading and taking too seriously a little-known book called "Mein Kampf".

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Nice try but Meim Kampf obviously does not touch upon such points because it was written before the war. Instead I have read, among other things, Kevin MacDonald, Ernst Nolte, and Patrick Buchanan's Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.

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Now I need to edit a music video together using only clips from Europa Europa and set to Yakety Sax.

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but sure to speed up the film a bit, lest the zaniness be lost on less observant viewers


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