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Anais should not have used Hugo as a crutch


I taped this as I collect Kevin spacey films, and found it a really good film, even though I've never read any Miller.

It's very interesting characters in the film, but not very nice ones

Hugo loves Anais, and so supports her and lets her geta way with everything, he is so weak, he buys Anais really

She uses his money to buy Henry and June, and keeps his love as an emotional crutch.

Edwardo also worships her, and she keeps him on a string.

She is on a voyage of discovery, she's in love not with a person but with experimentation.

Which isn't wrong, but I do think she is wrong to use Hugo, but then he must realise and so should not be so weak that he lets himself be used.

I'm glad it wasn't published while he was alive, his love for Anais is like a loyal faithful puppy dog in the film, alas it's cute from a woofer but not a man.

They write about June maybe as they do not want to expose themselves, really interesting film.

And the cast is excellent, Kevin Spacey's part is so small though, curious as to how he would have portrayed Henry or Hugo.






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Well, it really is a double-edged sword. Anais and Hugh started dating when she was really young and she lost her virginity to him. She wanted him to be a writer like her and at one point he kept a diary, too. However, it was a lucrative job offer in a bank in Paris that allowed them to move to France and to keep up their lifestyle and Hugh eventually gave up the diary. This is alluded to in the movie. On the one hand she wanted him to be creative but had he been creative he would not likely have brought in the money.

If you read biographies about Anais Nin you'll probably find her to be shallow, spoiled and manipulative. It seems that she tried to humiliate him by sleeping with as many men as possible including some of his best friends. But it gets even worse. Most of this is likely due to the messed up relationship with her father. She attempts to get back at her father by hurting Hugh, who in many ways was a father figure to her. After a time, they separated but he continued to give her money in order to keep up her lifestyle. And here's the worst part... she slept with her father. And once they'd slept together she rejected him as revenge for him rejecting her when she was younger.

Eventually, she went into psychoanalysis with Otto Rank, a famous psychologist, and followed him to NYC in order to practice psychoanalysis there. Now, despite the fact that she was a very *beep* up person indeed, one of the most memorable and poetic things I found in her diaries is when she's describing some schizophrenic patients she observed while studying under Rank. She stated that while the doctors didn't seem to be able to connect to the patients, she felt the patients spoke in a poetic language and therefore could relate to them.

Until her death she remained married to Hugh Guiler but also was married to another man, who was much younger and also, I believe, a grand-nephew to Frank Lloyd Wright (who'd built their house in California). So she was in a bigamous relationship with one husband on the east coast (Hugh lived in NYC at this time) and the other on the west coast. While she was alive she managed to keep the marriages a secret from each (and managed to convince her second husband that the large income she had was from her books when in reality it was largely from Hugh). After her death they learned of each other and even met at one point. Really sad.

Oh, and it seems the diaries for which she's most famous are really reinterpretations of reinterpretations. She spent most of her time rewriting them. But that's not to say she isn't a great writer.

In the end all wasn't too terribly bad for Hugh; eventually, he became a noted filmmaker:
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Thank you for taking the time to write all that, very kind of you, and very interesting.

It usually is that bullies are bullied at home and people that mess up others lives have had bad things done to them.

The person who allows themselves to be bullied, also has a weakness, why not just walk away.

Many people I know, hate the film, but I really like it.

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Thank you for that enlightening bit of back story!

-White Wolf "I don't suffer from Insanity...I enjoy Every minute of it!"

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Hugo lived a very long time. He knew of Anais's infidelities and told her that he forgave her for them later in life. He wasn't a fool, because he knew what she was up to. I think that takes character to continue to love someone as complex and experimental as her despite it all. He was grounded, practical but a very generous man. Ultimately, I think he understood love better than Nin and Miller. Hugo financially supported Nin directly and Miller indirectly through his generosity to Nin. I have great respect for him. His financial gifts helped make the dreams of these two great writers come true. She never would have made it on her own in Paris, and Miller never made enough money to marry and support Anais like he wanted to. I do not consider Hugo a weak or used man. His ability to love was inclusive and unconditional. A fascinating film.

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I agree, but if he had loved one, who had also known how to love, wouldn't he as a nice person, have been happier.

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I second that haizen. I admire and respect Hugo for his unconditional love. Being in love with a unique woman like Anais was a double edge sword and Hugo accepted her for who she was. There's no fire without a smoke. Her need to experiment was a vital part of her writing and he wanted her to be happy. Despite her infidelities they were still sexual and Anais protected his feelings, at least in the movie.

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Caterine, I could have written your post myself the details are so close. I started reading Nin's diaries as a teenager and admired her very much. Then came the unexpurgated editions, the knowlege of her second "husband", the "affair" with her father, and to top it all off, the murder of her daughter (one can hardly call the termination of a 6 month viable fetus an "abortion.") Nin was outed as a supremely egotistic, self centered woman. I also personally find her "novels" unreadable, however, I still love the diaries; no matter that they have been fictionalized. And, I am enchanted by the film "Henry and June."

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Nin definitely comes off as a self absorbed person. I don't see how Hugo put up with her.

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Before I begin, I have only seen the film and haven't yet read the diary that the film is based upon (I'm currently waiting for it to be delivered). I read through all the posts and I noticed a lot of people referring to Anais (the real one) as selfish and perverted and such. But you have to look at things like this: she published her diaries without bits and pieces of information at first. It was in her will that after the last survivor died that the diaries be re-released with the cut material reinserted. With the re-insertion of these materials, does she come off as being different than she did when she first published them? Maybe. But which is better of the two: having an author lying about their real experiences to cast themselves in a better light (as many autobiographers do) or an author who wanted to make sure that all of what they did was accounted for after they were gone? I say the latter. Keep in mind, she could have left the diaries edited the way she did and never have any of the cut material released. It would have been a lie, like most autobiographies do (let's face it, in this day and age, no one wishes to portray themselves as they really are, but try to make themselves be the "hero" of their own story and not take responsibility for any of their mistakes). Did she make some odd choices and did things that wasn't right in our point of view? Yes, she did. But instead of trying to sweep those details under the blanket of history, she made sure that after the last survivor was dead, that the face of the whole ugly truth be known, including the warts that would make anyone uncomfortable.

We are all human beings. We all have done things we are glad to have experienced and things that we never want to see the light of day. Anais Nin wasn't any different, except for the fact that she was willing to share those mistakes with the world long after she was gone. The re-releasing of the diaries with the materials was her way of saying, "Like it or not, this is who I was. I admit my mistakes, because they're a part of who I am." So, to say she was selfish is really hard to hold true. She released the diaries the first time around edited as a means of protecting those who experienced what happened and were still alive. But after the last survivor was gone, at that point, she wouldn't have cared of trying to protect anyone anymore, but would have just wanted to make sure her story as a whole was told. An individual is made up of their right and wrong choices. Anais Nin was an individual who was willing to share the good and bad sides of her life, as well as her right and wrong choices. We don't have to like them or agree with them, but they were her choices and she made them. And she was willing to share those triumphs and errors. People should be happy that she did, because it helps us understand her even more than we would have if she had kept the bad parts cut out.

Of course, that's just my opinion and point of view at this time. I could very well be wrong.

But this one's eating my popcorn!

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Was it in her will that the unexpurgated diaries be released?

Some of her friends were horrified when Rupert Pole, Nin’s last husband undertook this. Some felt it was retribution after finding out that Anais Nin was a bigamist and still married to her first husband and living a bicoastal lie – 6 months with Hugh, her east coast husband, and 6 months on the west coast with Rupert. Each husband was unaware of the other, and understood her absences to be due to publishing business and professional engagements. That's incredibly duplicitous.

Lies and amorality on this scale undermine her integrity as a writer, more so since her reputation & recognition is founded on being a diarist. Can the reader trust her enough to overlook her tremendous narcissism and believe that what they are reading isn’t just a distorted fabrication verging on fantasy? How much or how little is true? Part of the problem with the 1960s edited diaries is that Nin presented herself (by omission of several important facts) as a struggling independent writer living an artistic bohemian lifestyle when the reality was that she was a society woman with a wealthy husband (part of the reason why she never divorced). From a documentary on Nin that was made, I understand that some of the women who found her inspirational and tried to emulate her carefree bohemian lifestyle, felt very duped when they later learnt this fact in the 90s, especially as they had risked economic security, having families, etc. From a feminist point of view her independence turned out to be a lie.

It’s interesting that her diary became her ‘drug’ and ‘neurosis’ as basically she re-wrote reality to suit her needs, her vanity and her whims – even her fantasies. Her brother Joaquin claims that the incestuous relationship with her father that she wrote about in her diary, was fantasy.

There’s no denying that Nin had talent as a writer and is an exceptional wordsmith, but in the end she emerges as a bizarre individual – equally fascinating and repellant simultaneously.




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Anais did not mention her husband in the original (expurgated) edition of the diary because he specifically asked her not to. There are only a couple of references (his getting different jobs, etc.), that slipped through.

I was one of those women reading Anais and thinking of having an artistic lifestyle ("the dream") but I never felt like she was saying she was independent 100%. After all, she did mention a husband even just in passing, and also starts the diary by talking about the house at Louveciennes, and talks about the maid, she's not living in an attic, even if she economizes by doing things like buying nice clothes at a thrift shop (lots of rich people sell their clothes). She hadn't sold any of her own writing yet so the $ had to come from somewhere. Maybe she should have said it was from her family or something.

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I'm reading Fire (unexpurgated diary 1934 - 1937) at the moment and it is truly bizarre (but enjoyable). She is in New York sleeping with and cruelly playing two men off against one another (I won't say who) while also having sex with a third (who she doesn't write about in any detail). Hugo is in Paris working. Her sex life (and all the lies involved) are extraordinary and almost seem pathological almost as it she had a compulsive need to be desirable and to have something to write about...



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Well, you can see the way her dad was... that's where she got the pathological need you speak of. It was very real.

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I don't know what went on in real life or of Hugo knew about and accepted Anais' affairs but in the film it was vile how she treated him. He was the only nice person in the story and deserved better.

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