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One gesture says it all.....


In their final scene together Lena Olin rolls Redford's arm over and sees the bandage where the diamond had been. She realizes he loved her enough to give up his "one last chance" to reunite her with her husband. That's some powerful stuff! I think this film will gain more respect with time. This was Redford's first "mature" role and I don't think the fans at the time were ready for his world weary look. I too like to visit this movie often for the look and feel of it. I've always thought it was one of Redford's best....
BigPhil

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Agreed. It's atmospheric, captivating, and, not only one of Redford's best, but one of my favorites.

The only second chance you get is to make the same mistake twice. - David Mamet

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I like the word....atmospheric....may I steal it sometime?
BigPhil

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Feel free to steal any word in the English language that I use, however the ones I invent myself are copyrighted.

If you like atmospheric movies, I'd recommend Snow Falling on Cedars and The Russia House as well.

The only second chance you get is to make the same mistake twice. - David Mamet

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Thanks...will check them out. Did I ever tell you about the time I met Redford in the flesh?
BigPhil

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No. What happened? What was he like?

The only second chance you get is to make the same mistake twice. - David Mamet

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I like this movie a lot. I happen to consider the role of Jack Weil as THE macho.
The guy never dropped tear, in the whole film... Jack gave his diamond for Bobby's sake, but he also did it because the life both would have had would have been a lie.

I did dropped a tear in the final scene... It hurts you so much. He really loved her and did not even hesitated; that shows incredible strenght and enormous self sacrifice. Reading this I remember parts of the movie where it is hinted something regarding Jack's life. Apparently he was an orphaned child (Grew in the streets) and lived as a gambler drifter and the part where the two are in the bathroom and Olin says: How much times have you lost everything Jack? was devastating. The movie as a whole talks about unselfishness (Remember what Jack thoughts of the revolution, he did not cared). He suffered, and many more than many of us has ever suffered (Or so the movie says) and the final scene was everything: Jack was willing to prove that you need more courage to suffer than to die.

Any man would just have just colapsed in to tears. He was *about* to, and that is an interesting touch.

Bobby was a whole mystery, but I think she became a better person because of Arturo.

A very good movie, but could have been better.

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The last scene is extremely sad and powerfull, I don't know if anyone noticed but it made a great deal to me that he didn't turn around to see her one more time. But the VERY last scene is his monologue after he droves up to key west a couple of years later. Now those words really blow me away, every single one of them, the way he looks back on the love of his life, and the way he looks at the life and love itself. My favourite scene of all times...


"...you never know who might walk in, someone blown off course, this is a hurricane land." - Jack Weil

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You are out of your mind.

"If I have any genius it is a genius for living" - Errol Flynn

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Correction: The line actually reads, "Somebody blown off course. This is hurricane country."

Best movie ever made. My all time favorite flick. Nothing in second place. And nobody else has seen it.

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I like this movie very much,too .

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There are not too many of Redford-Pollack collaborations that I haven't liked. But I found that this one realy yucky - and not beceause of how Redford looked in it. I found that it completely failed as a romantic drama and it was the director's fault.

1) the scene in Jacks apartment when he brings Bobby back the second time. He's supposed to be passionatly in love, but makes a phone call first. Then he walks slowly over to her and gently embracers her. This is not a woman's idea of how a man should act when he is passionately in love. Rent Gone With The Wind and you can see what I mean. Clark Gable utterly ravishes Vivien Leigh

2) Too many crotch shots and - German Burlesque, showgirls , and the worse was the comment about "sandy pussies" - all more geared to men. I understand that the director was probably trying to get across the decadence of Cuba at the time, but the showgirls would have been enough.

3) The ending with the off-handed remark: " So Long Kiddo"? Did this evoke any emotion in you? What would have been better would for him to have hugged her passionatly and pulled away quicky, walking quickly down the stairs, and then, one last look at her before getting into his car. It sounds meldramadic when you read it, I know, but Redford's character was just too cool for a man who's lost the women he passionatly loves. There needed to be more vulnerability to him, not too much, but some.

4) Pollack's miscasting and direction of Lena - too underplayed. She looked more afraid and in awe of Redford than in love.

5) I don't think Redford is good in roles where he has to demonstrate great passion, have you ever seen him do this in any movie (Out of Africa maybe, but then I found this romance didn't work because Streep demonstrates absoultely no sexuality on screen - she does not appear to be very sensuous). My perception may be clouded by the French films I watch.

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The ending with the off-handed remark: " So Long Kiddo"? Did this evoke any emotion in you? What would have been better would for him to have hugged her passionatly and pulled away quicky, walking quickly down the stairs, and then, one last look at her before getting into his car. It sounds meldramadic when you read it, I know, but Redford's character was just too cool for a man who's lost the women he passionatly loves. There needed to be more vulnerability to him, not too much, but some.

Perhaps that was the point. ;-)

It may well have been that he was trying to show her that he'll just move and forget what happened....he showed what he was willing to sacrifice for her but was trying to keep his emotions from overtaking him by acting macho. Of course; we all know better.

At least that's my take on that scene.....

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OK, so too late to reply probably, but I did love the movie- except the ending. I blame it on being a romantic, I like my romance endings happy. Even when the movie isn't all about the romance. And call me old-fashioned, but if you're falling for (or at least developing a huge crush on) another guy after your husband hasn't been dead for long, it doesn't show it to me that she was that in love with her husband.

And with him dead, she was willing to leave it behind all behind with Jack. So what? Was it jack> revolution, jack> dead husband but revolution+husband>jack? after all he has done...

I know he was being noble and doing the right thing (sort of), but it kind of ended in a way that made me say no good deed goes unpunished...


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My reply to you is late also.



You say... And call me old-fashioned, but if you're falling for (or at least developing a huge crush on) another guy after your husband hasn't been dead for long, it doesn't show it to me that she was that in love with her husband

On this the film reminds me of Legends of the fall, Where her young husband goes off to war and is killed to prove he was worthy of her, yet she hardly mourns him at all but respected him enough to say to his brother, now her reluctant lover, we will name our first born after him. In her own way she was saying she did love him and understood his sacrifice. She knew she caused his death on not believing in him as she was also being in love with the brother manifested itself on her husband. He knew something was wrong but could not figure it out. Just as R.R. let her go So did Brad Pitt. To Much guilt. Since you liked this film Give "Legends of the fall" a try.

You say...
And with him dead, she was willing to leave it behind all behind with Jack. So what? Was it jack> revolution, jack> dead husband but revolution+husband>jack? after all he has done...

Maybe you can reword this because I can't quite make out what you are trying to say. Is it ...All the work her husbad was doing she know no longer cared?

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Hi again,

I like Legends of the Fall - especially the acting and cinematography, but the love "stories" there were quite convoluted:)

What I mean is, she was ready to be with Redford's character, despite the revolution.
But when her husband turns out to be alive, she doesn't go with him.
So I guess I meant that her love for her husband and faith in revolution combined was greater than whatever she was feeling for Jack.


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The best thing in this movie was Bonita Marco as one of the German burlesque showgirls. She was great..

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for real.



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