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Tommy got off too easy


I think he should've died like his victims, but slightly modified so he feels more pain. First they should've punched him in the face six times. Then they should've kicked him in the face eight times. Then they should've pistol whipped him in the face four times. Then they should've stabbed him in the chest eight times. Then they should've shot him in the chest four times. Then they should've shot him in the foot once. Then they should've shot him in the chest six times. Then they should've shot him in the face once. Then they should've shot him in the back five times. Then they should've stabbed him in the face with an ice pick once. Then they should've locked him in the room and left him to bleed out.

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Then shat on his grave.

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If that happened, the cops would say 'worse case of suicide we have ever seen!'

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Well if you imagine Nicky Santoro in Casino to be Tommy DeVito, he got pretty much what he deserved.

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Yeah, that's what I thought.

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That would make sense if some punisher avenged his victims with his assasination.
But that's not the case here.

Infact, he was wacked by people like him, worse than him, that have victimized far more people than him.
Tommy was not killed to attain any sort of justice, he was killed because he dared to go out of these people's "law", which is: these people won't allow you to do anything other than what they want you to.

So Tommy's death serves no purpose to real justice, nor to his victims.

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Nailed it, Heisenberg!

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I have to read the book again, but I keep forgetting WHY did Jimmy Conway get away with it if he participated in the murder and clean up? Henry too, but IIRC he wasn't even there but it happened in his bar at the time.

I guess it just goes to show that Paulie (Vario) was himself a loose cannon with an undisciplined and disorganized crime cell.

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I forget what the book said, but in the film, Jimmy and Tommy both beat Batts down in Henry's bar while Henry shut the door

But later, Paulie's asking Henry about Batts, so it's clear no one beyond the three of them (Tommy, Jimmy and Henry) know the full truth

When Batts stayed gone, I just assumed the mob drew the logical conclusion and guessed Tommy was somehow responsible because of the whole "shine box" incident. And since Tommy had done "a bunch of other things" as well, they got Paulie's OK to whack Tommy.

No proof beyond reasonable doubt needed.

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Paulie made more money with Jimmy running his shy which was what Batt's was pissed about losing after he went away for a while. Now that he was out he wanted it back but couldn't because Jimmy was running it.

Tommy probably fit as the perfect fall guy in this scenario because of all of the other misdeeds he commited so in a way whacking Tommy kept Paulie's income stream intact and one less headache to worry about at the same time.

What's more interesting lately is that Michael Franceze has made a lot of public statements about who Henry Hill really was and he gives some insight into Henry's real relationship with the Vario crew and Michael says that Henry was a much smaller player than he is portrayed as in the movie. He also mentions Henry's real life struggle with drug and alcohol abuse which in the movie is only played up when he gets in over his head with moving cocaine, but Michael states that Henry was a heavy drinking/abuser since his teenage years.

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what I don't get is why it took so long for it to happen. The Batts incident happened in 1970, they had to dig the body up and move it several months later, then Henry goes to jail for over 4 years, then there's another year or so for Luftansa and the aftermath of that, so you're looking at at least 6 years between murdering Batts and Tommy's murder. It's not exactly setting an example about not touching made guys!
I can only assume Tommy had done something in the months leading up to his death that Henry didn't even know about, and that was the final straw for the bosses, hence the "bunch of other things".

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They got him and his brother good in Casino with the baseball bats.

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When Frank Vincent really lives up to his Goodfellas name ‘Billy Bats’...

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The real Tommy DeSimone has more than three theories of how he was murdered. At least one of them involved torture before execution.

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