After everybody is shot down, Grafton leaves the skipper to get to Cole. Then, the ywo A-1H Skyraiders come into the shot in slow motion. Gices me goosebumps.
Say goodbye a$$hole, eject eject eject.
Yeah dude. I watched this movie with my dad and i knew he was in the Navy but never really knew what he did. He freaked out when the "Sandys" flew by. I guess he was on a A-1H flight line.
shareI dunno, I thought the best scene in the movie was Grafton and Cole singing "Downtown" enthusiastically and horribly off-key. :*D
shareThe framing of that shot was also spectacular! I love that scene. It seems like it was shot with long lenses and zoomed in. It ranks up there with with the shot of Kevin Costner's character, Billy Chapel throwing his first warm up pitch in "For Love of the Game." It was just one pitch bit it was framed to where you could see Billy on the mound, the catcher's mitt in the foreground, the crowd in stands and billowy white clouds in a deep blue sky. All on the screen in one shot.
I am a big fan of cinemotography and I find beautifully framed shots like these jawdropping. Sometimes, a movie gives you something unforgettable in only a few seconds.
"I dunno, I thought the best scene in the movie was Grafton and Cole singing "Downtown" enthusiastically and horribly off-key. :*D "
Yeah, that was definitely the best part, RaguLeader. lol
The best scene in the entire movie takes place at minute 37. It shows my desktop which is comprised of 17 different backgrounds that change every 30 seconds. I only reached minute 37 because of all the people who reviewed this movie saying it wqas underrated. Thanks, mudafhkkers.
shareWell the movie certainly isn't for everyone.
Like people with the attention span of a gnat.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
It speaks!
shareIt also thinks.
You might try that sometime.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
But I do. I think this is one of the reasons I'm not wearing a hat similar to yours. But seriously, didn't you notice the blatant patriotic propaganda in there? And I'm not saying you shouldn't love your country, just, like in a marriage, you need to keep in mind that under the delightful exterior hides a ravenous bitch and you need to keep that b!tch in check.
shareBut I do. I think this is one of the reasons I'm not wearing a hat similar to yours.
But seriously, didn't you notice the blatant patriotic propaganda in there?
Those two statements are contradictory.
You will see ANYTHING positive as "blatant Propaganda" because only things negative about a country fit your preconceived narrative.
and I served my country too (though here you don't get paid for your service).
Anyone ever find it interesting that those that bash the US Military or America... almost never state which country they are from that is soooo much better?
I was just trying to point out that I'm not against the idea of serving one's country.
Psssh! CG I'm almost certain the other poster is some basement dweller using up Mommy's bandwidth trying to get a rise out of 'the right wing fascists'.
Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?
That's a nice story to be telling yourself every time you get embarrassed by someone with superior IQ. Enjoy.
shareHighly unlikely that somebody on this board has a higher IQ than me is not my friend.
Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?
Because it is so often the case. I may have been a little mean - sorry about that - but the point remains that objectivity and patriotism tend to interfere with eachother's jurisdictions, so to speak.
shareBecause it is so often the case.
Glad to find some kindred spirits here. For all the terrible models, bad sound effects, cheesy music and abominable acting (Razor...gads), there are still some goosebump-worthy scenes. The Yellow Brick Road run is classic.
"Because they didn't drop!"
"You're kiddin' me."
I love the last exchange between Camparelli and Grafton -
Grafton - They're gonna give you a ship like this, sir. They're gonna give you a carrier! And you know something, sir, I wouldn't be surprised if you make Admiral!
Camparelli - You ever seen a black man who's an Admiral?
Grafton - Third Generation Mafia, sir!!
Camparelli - That's right, Grafton. That's right!
Grafton - I hope I'm on that ship, sir!
Camparelli - I do too, Mr. Grafton! I wouldn't have it any other way!! And Camparelli's looking at Jake as if he's thinking, "You'd be a perfect A-6 squadron commander." At least, that's what I thought.
Then, of course, there's the exchange between Grafton and Cole -
Grafton - This is the end of Devil 505! Say goodbye, *beep* Eject! EJECT!! EJECT!!!
Cole - GOODBYE, *beep*
[i]"Has anybody ever told you you have a SERIOUS IMPULSE CONTROL PROBLEM??"
Love the Sandy scene.
I thought Cole had a moving conversation with the Sandy pilot when Cole was injured and realized the VC was using him for bait.
"C'mon Sandy. . . I'd do it for you."
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Just watched it on Officer and a Movie. Best scene is at the heating where Grafton gives his speach about no one wanting to fight or win the war but people do die in it. Still the best scene about how the wat was being fought.
shareWhat's a "Heating"?
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
I'm pretty sure he meant "hearing" T and R are next to each other on the keyboard. Typo thing.
There were a number of memorable scenes. Cole telling Sandy to take him out. Classic. The hearing at Subic. Fred Thompson had to take over that scene because Ed O'Neil got some laughs at in the screening because of his Al Bundy role. I really like Cole's line: "I do love the work".
The scene at the bar: "Fighter pilots make movies. (Top Gun) Bomber pilots make history"!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then dropping into the aligator pit if you miss the cable!!! Only in the PI man!!!!
BTW I was on the USS Inconvience (CV-62) when this thing was filmed. Brad Johnson and Wilem DeFoe were super cool!!! Glover is a bit of an a$$ though.
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Yah I know it was a typo.. was just ribbing him a bit.
One of my all time favorite Aviation War films. Mainly for it's realism over such other works as Top Gun (error/goof in damn near every single shot), Stealth (CGI BS and refueling blimps WTF!?!), and Behind Enemy Lines (Wile E. Coyote and ACME Missiles).
Not to mention the stroll down memory lane AKA Magsaysay Avenue
(Those who know... Know.)
This is about the only film I can think of that has a realistic portrayal of how SAMs guide on an aircraft.
I was on the Sh!tty Kitty (CV-63) during the filming of "Clear And Present Danger"
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
My son was on Kitty Hawk for his first (and only) tour. He was disillusioned so bad he got out. They visited Guam when I was a Civilian contractor there and it was Hell getting him to be able to take leave WITH HIS DAD while they were there. I can understand his frustration if they did everything that way. The Indy sucked in the same way. I called it "Inconvience" because they pretty much went out of their way to make life miserable.
That Magsaysay liberty thing would have been cooler if they had actually gone to the PI to film it. Like they did with the beginning of "An Officer and a Gentleman". They filmed the outdoor scenes in Mexico, I think. (It was NOT filmed in Olongopo.) Don't know where the indoor scenes were filmed. Maybe Thailand.
The outdoor scene where they are awaiting the decision of the hearing kind of looks like that little park (by the mini golf course) at Subic but I can't be completely sure.
When was the last time you were there? Have you been there lately?
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My first (and only) stop at Subic was in 1991, just after Mt. Pinatubo Erupted.
The base was closed shortly thereafter as was Clark Air Field. I was not aboard Kitty Hawk at the time. I was with my First ship, USS Halsey (CG-23) A Leahy class Guided Missile Cruiser. We had just escaped from SuperTyphoon Yuri which slammed into Guam and then went to help them pick up the pieces left over from the Volcano.
Yuri was fun (Probably not for you guys ON Guam).
We were due to pull in the next afternoon for Fuel and stores onload. Captan kicked her up to flank throughout the day and into the night. We pulled into Apra Harbor at like 0300 and never secured the sea and anchor detail. All hands stores onload and fuel and by 0345 were were casting off all lines and out the harbor we went. Headed straight south to get to the safer semicircle of the Typhoon as it was bearing right down on Guam and hit later that very day.
The next couple of days were one non-stop rollercoast ride from hell.
Remember the scenes from "The Perfect Storm" where the Containership was broached from the stern and lost her CONEX boxes over the side while they were calling Mayday on the radio?
Yeah... like that.
Actually, Kinda like this... but with a somewhat bigger ship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG6FhK96dBg&feature=related
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
The last time I was in Subic was 1998. (I've been back to the PI a ton of times since though. Manila, Cebu, Bagio etc.) The place was pretty much closed. Both Olongopo and Subic/Cubi. The "party" is at Barrio Barretto now. Angeles City outside of Clark is still open!!! Mayor Gordon shut Olongopo down because he got greased by the NPA.
There were alot of old grey ex-pats sitting around playing black out bingo. Their dreams of running night clubs/resturants crushed. They're running Sari Sari stores now. Their Filipina wives can own property so they're just living off their retirements now. (That's not necessarily a bad thing. If "The BIG O" gets re-elected again I've got an out) LOL
Everything was cleaned up after Pinatubo but was empty. All of the old officer/chief family housing were privately owned mostly as vacation homes for the elite. At least it's still clean. The golf course, mini-cart track etc were all empty. We went to the "Far East Trader" and there were more people working there than customers. Maybe it was the wrong time of day but I still found it a bit sad.
There are talks of allowing us back in there. We'll see. We'll either need Gordon to die (he's still there btw) or a WAR with China or new US President. Or all of the above for that to happen. "Two out of Three Ain't Bad"!!!
In 1991 I was still in the Navy. But on a ship. I got stationed on Guam in 1996 until 2001. I went back in 2005 as a civilian contractor and got booted in 2006 because I refused to join the Union.
Typhoon Paka ab-so-lute-ly Rocked. GOD took a weed wacker to the place!!! The "Wind-0-Meter" at Anderson broke at 238 MPH so we lost the world record for highest wind speed on Dec 17th 1997.
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What Command were you with on Guam?
Your son was on the Sh^tty Kitty right before it went bye bye Im betting? I was in Japan on another TDY the night I got there Kitty Hawk restricted Libo for all hands to the Naval Station. It was a really bad command inside and out. His experience would have been far different had he ended up on a Gator down in Sasebo, totally a dream Duty Station.
I am the motherf&*%in Shore Patrol As^&*%#!
Sasebo and Subic....been there, done that...
Is "Paradise Alley" still extant in Sasebo?
The thorn defends the rose, yet it is peaceful and does not seek conflict.
No Paradise Alley is gone. Now they have Sailortown but, its cleaning up too, probably by now its mostly clean. But with the right attitude now you can go to the Japanese places in Saketown in some places that rival strip clubs in Vegas.
I am the motherf&*%in Shore Patrol As^&*%#!
A few weeks ago I was looking around at web pix, all that stuff about my ship getting scrapped and being Sailor of the Month has me in a very nostalgic mood, so anyway, I found this old view of Paradise Alley. I spent some time in the 'New Baby' club on the right...
http://www.graz-web.com/Graz/Japan/Early_Sasebo-2.jpg
The thorn defends the rose, yet it is peaceful and does not seek conflict.
On Guam I was stationed up at NAVCAMSWESTPAC then it became NCTAMS WEST PAC then it became NCTS Guam. That was when Clinton was gutting the Military. I initally had a 3 year billet and extended for an additional 2 years.
After I retired in 2005 I went back there as a civilian contractor for two more years. I would have loved to stay but because of a contract re-negotiation and RIF the company moved me to Pt Mugu CA. I was RIFed because I refused to join the Union. It's bad enough Politians rape my wallet but (like HOA's) I don't like people that are supposed to represent me send my money (dues) to those same politians that I don't support.
While on ships I got to visit both Sasebo and Yokosuka. Since they were only short port visits in both ports I really couldn't say which would be a better place to be stationed. Yokosuka is closer to Tokyo but the HONCH has a terrible reputation. Of all the Asian food I dislike Japanese the most. I'd rather be stationed in PI or Singapore anyway.
ComLogWestPac would be a killer duty station. I had a chance to go there but they talked me into Hawaii. What a mistake that was. (They promised me a position as a system manager but I wound up doing the same thing I could have done at CLWP) S-pore had a $1,500 per month COLA and Hawaii SUCKS!!!! It's a nice place to visit but I will NEVER live there again.
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I lived on Guam 92-93 at Navsta with my Dad. In 2000 and 2001 I did 90 day dets to Guam and I was there for a few days in 2010. Not a fan.
Lots of flavors in Sasebo and Yokosuka. Now a days Russians and even Americans too. And the whole Asian menu of course. As many times as Ive been there Ive never actually eaten Japanese food, the actual food that is. Which is part of the reason I like it more than SEA, its easy to get Western Food in Japan.
I am the motherf&*%in Shore Patrol As^&*%#!
RE: Your youtube clip, all I can say is, "Man...the sea, she is a cruel mistress"
shareI was on the USS Coral Sea (CV-43) an aircraft carrier back in 1983. We were about 200 miles off the coast of Valdivostok (sp?) of the old Soviet Union. The sea in the North Pacific as so heavy that the ship's (HF) "whip antennas" on the bow were ripped completely off! They could be raised or lowered depending if we were launching or recovering aircraft or not. They should have been raised but weren't. We lost both of the forward port and starboard antennas and the 2nd most forward starborad antler was just dangling and had to be cut off by the HT's.
The flight deck is about 60' above the waterline. I've got some pictures of a Coast Guard Cutter that was with us. The bow came up so high on that sucker that you could see the sonar dome at the bottom of the bow. When the bow went down into the water it looked just like the one in the video. Water spraying WAY higher than the mast. Pretty cool man!!!
Then again, I've also seen the Indian Ocean so calm that for two days it looked like a sheet of blue glass. The only ripple within the line of sight were the small wake made by the ship at about 3 or 4 knots and an occasional flying fish or sea snakes rippling the surface near the ship. The water is so clear you can see down about 50' into a very deep blue sea.
Wanna see stars? Go out on the ocean thousands of miles from any light pollution on a night with no moon. There really are "Billions and Billions" of stars!!!
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it was a pretty active Typhoon season when I went to USS Kitty Hawk from USS Halsey. We were off the Japanese coast and moving back and forth like we were playing dodgeball with the storms just trying to keep at least out of the worst of it.It was bad for landing ops for the carrier but for the people.... hell the deck didn't seem to move that much. Don't get me wrong. we were a rocking and rolling quite a bit, but the sheer massive size of the carrier made the movement, slower, more sedate. Guys were getting seasick left and right and I was like "Come on guys... this is normal movement for Halsey!" And it was. In the storm, the Carrier's movement was about as bad a a typical day at sea for the Cruiser.
I was out doing some work on the Port SLQ-32 antenna enclosure and I stopped fora few just to watch the carrier battle the waves. the port side SLQ-32 platform is as far out from the sides of the ship as you can possibly get and still be ON the ship. Just under and jutting out even further than the angle deck. Standing on the forward edge of the platform, you can see under the angle and all the way up to the bow.
http://osd.dtic.mil/photos/Aug2004/040809-N-5821P-049.jpg
The platform is the part of the ship in the photo that is all the way to the right. you can see a Supply ship on the horizon just under and beyond it.
I watched that bow crest a swell and then move out into the trough beyond it. I watched as the waterline mark became visible, then the anti-fouling paint.
I watched as the Bulbous bow came up to the air.
I watched in awe as the bulbous bow came clear of the water, undisturbed blue water could be seen on the STARBOARD SIDE!
I watched in horror as the bow now started it's downward plunge, meeting the next rising swell... and here I am stuck waaaayyy the frak out from the ship and just 60 or so feet from he water.
I plunked my butt right down on the platform, legs danging over the side and grabbed onto the liferails, wrapping my arms and legs around the stanchions. Tucked my head into my shoulders and prayed.
The swell rose up and up and up as it rolled back along the side of the carrier.
and passed about 6 to 10 feet below my platform...
I grabbed up my gear and decided the PMS I was doing on the antenna could wait for another day.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
I'm all kinds of with you on the carrier thing. There was a "method to my madness"!!!! I was a Radioman and chose big ships. I could have gone anywhere.
From 1991-1993 I was on the USS Tripoli (LPH-10). We were going from Hawaii to Japan in heavy seas to pick up Marines. Someone decided to run a 3 section watchbill instead of the port/starboard we normally ran. It was all kinds of wierd. Sometimes we were on watch 16 out of 24 hours, then we had 16 hours off. Sometimes only 4 hours watch but had "training" intermixed. So the sleep cycles were completly screwed up. The ship was completely emply so we got to rock and roll plenty. Needless to say that even for someone with 6 years on the water it was something I (fortunately) will never have to do that again! I got myself some MRE's, tied myself to some equipment and was just as miserable as the booters!!!!
I'll never do it again. I'd never want to. But I will tell you what!?!?!?!
I wouldn't give it up for anything! The good times I had in the Navy (Foreign ports, banging as many females as I could find) completely make up for the Loooooong heavy work days.
My alternative would have been working in a welding shop in South East Nebraska or for a fence company in Reno, Nevada for the rest of my life.
I'm now happily "retired" and living in Reno with a wonderful wife and a little garden in the back yard. I have two great dogs that can reach the fence in three seconds (can you?) and 3 boys I don't have to deal with on a daily basis any longer.
I have no problem thanking the US Navy for that!!!
Mr. Obama. If you stop lying about me. I'll stop telling the truth about you!!!
From 1991-1993 I was on the USS Tripoli (LPH-10).
I'm all kinds of with you on the carrier thing. There was a "method to my madness"!!!! I was a Radioman and chose big ships.
"Tripoli. Proof to the world that all ships can be a minesweeper, at least once".
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They found them the hard way!!!!!!!
I got onboard after they returned to SanDog. They were putting the USS Inconvenience to rest and I crossed decked to the "Tripdog".
The Tripoli brought me to Somalia. I got to have breakfast with Bush 41. He had already lost to Clit-on and you couldn't find a more relieved guy on the planet. (Kind of like what Bush 43 did in '07) It was over the New Years ('93) weekend.
"but as for the motion... MORE IS BETTER."
That's a PI thing huh? ;-) That's her job though!!!!
Where you there when the "jumper" from the bridge hit the water?. We went "Man Overboard". My crew and I were working on the aft antennas and they thought one of us hit the drink. We did have to muster though and it kind of ruined our chance to watch some stupid dead guy floating face down on a weekday afternoon!
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I remember the jumper in the news but we were out in the SOCAL OPAREA doing workups at the time. So we weren't in-port at the time.
There was an oft told story, probably a sea story as it was mostly anecdotal as far as I can tell. I've heard it many times from different sources but could never find any news article or other "official" reference to it.
But have you heard about the incident on USS Maholon S. Tisdale? an O.H. Perry class frigate? She was known as the Suicidal ship as she was the only ship in the US Navy that shot itself.
Apparently an an FC or a GM was doing some maintenance on the firing system for their 76mm and did not realize there was a live round loaded. the system was cycled and a round was fired from the gun while the gun was in the stow position (0 degrees elevation, 180 degrees of train). The round went through the stack, blew the CIWS system off onto the flightdeck and the round traveled out across the bay, impacting the water over near Silver Strand.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
I've never heard that one. There weren't too many Barney Fife's running around back then. The chances of having loaded rounds in ANY gun during routine maintenance (most likely in port) would put something like that in the "Urban Legand" category for me. It could have happened. But something that big would have made headlines and cost WAY too many jobs.
Could you have imagined being the Chief or DiVo/Dept Head (even the CO) in that situation? Talk about your life turning into "completely suck"? That would be it!!!!
LOL!!
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I figured as much. Also considering don't the guns have safety cutouts so that the firing circuit cannot be closed when the gun is trained on certain bearings and elevations to prevent hitting ownships structures?
Still, a good sea story? as in "Listen up, this ain't no sh!t"... LOL
ould you have imagined being the Chief or DiVo/Dept Head (even the CO) in that situation? Talk about your life turning into "completely suck"? That would be it!!!!
The Fig MK75 is automated. Not sure if Non-Fig guns are that way. The Fire Control Computer allows the system to be fired when the Gun Control Panel boresight indicator shows between 240 and 330 relative to port; 030 and 120 relative to starboard. There is a primary and backup indicator. If the indicator shows any other relative bearing the firing system is disabled. I do not think that necessarily applies to maint. situations. But from my experience the chance of a gun crew(automated gun mount or not) being left uploaded would be gross negligence. Your talking the entire GMG complement of an FFG being involved, the LCPO, LPO, GCP operator, GCP observer, FCC operator, FCC observer, Safety Officer, 3 GMs superivising the Loading Control, 3 more in the Magazine. For them to leave the gun uploaded....
My experience on a FFG and seeing the MK75 in action was limited to 3 months but, I was striking GMG at that moment. I think we did 3 live fires with the MK75. Rarely will you ever see a round locked and loaded that isn't fired. Because of the feed system it would be next to impossible to unintentionally load a round in a ready to fire condition without knowing it. The rounds ordered coincide with what is put in the ready service magazine and the gun will fire until the rounds are completed.
You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?
I know this is an old post and I don't think I ever heard that story before, but I do remember when the USS El Paso shot up the USS Iwo Jima (LPH-2) in 1989, which resulted in one death and one additional injury.
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I'm just expressing my opinion.
You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.
You remember it? Like you read about it just now? Good for you!
You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?
Yuri was a walk in the park. With Omar the eye passed right over the Island it was insane. I still remember the next morning, heading down to the road and seeing USS Niagra Falls on the beach. They had a boiler casualty trying to sortie so they couldnt get out of the harbor. The mooring lines parted and they just go blown around the Harbor. White Plains faired even worse it ended up on the reef. I used to have some pictures of Niagra Falls, what sight that was.
When I was on Cole we headed out from Va to go down to Pascagoula. When we got south of Florida we hit 3 squalls in a row. Everyone not on watch had to strap into their racks. Trash bags were hanging everywhere. We were undermanned to the point that we could only muster Port and Starboard watches. And thats rough on the Bridge. Worst 3 days of my life. I was able to keep from tossing my cookies but, I tell ya I was hurting. I spent alot of time watching the List Gauge.
I am the motherf&*%in Shore Patrol As^&*%#!
Ive been to Subic Bay before and after the transformation. Last time was 04. I went in 89 with my father to Olongopo, yeah my dad had interesting parenting ideas (He was a BM though so its natural), even then he told me it was far dumbed down. By 2000, the next time I went, Subic is basically an Industrial Area, though there are many run down abandoned parts like the base housing areas. Olongopo is completely reversed, its a now a high tech area with fairly good education and its very clean all things considered. The last time I was on an R and R with PI Marines. We were taking a break from working down in Mindanao. A friend of mine asked the one Marine what happened to Olongopo? The guy said it "When you Navy pricks took off from Subic Bay, you took all the girls home with you". I believe it.
I am the motherf&*%in Shore Patrol As^&*%#!
I know this thread is a couple years old but I felt there were lots of good scenes and the writing and acting were all above average and this was an excellent film, on par with We Were Soldiers. (I'm perplexed that this did poorly at the box-office and why it received negative reviews)
My favorite section of the film is when Cole (DeFoe) volunteers himself and Grafton for Iron Hand duty (SAM suppression)and they flame-out and loose the engines while trying to evade the MIG and have to restart the engines. Afterwards Cole says "If you're a candy ass I'd ask for a new pilot, but I figure you'll do".
I've really admired Willem Defoe in many of the movies he's acted in and I've been rather disappointed that he's never been nominated for best supporting actor at the very least.
Not to mention when the Skyraider did that roll after the last bomb run! Fantastic!