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Eye dominance and helmet eyepieces...


As far as I know, most people are right-handed.... and pretty much every right-handed person is left-eye dominant.

Wouldnt(or doesnt) the army have helmets with eye-thingies on either side, making eye dominance a non-issue?

...Not that that it would make the movie any worse...

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Personally Im right handed and right eye dominant... and I think thats the norm.... think of how peoplpe fire rifles... when they are aiming, its the right eye that is behind the sights...

as to the headsets the actaul ones are, I belive, omniocular... its a projection on a visor rather than an eyepeice

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Nope, those were actual Apache helmets there - they really do have such visors, as far as I could tell with my own eyes (airshow). A similar extra targetting visor is also installed in Mig-29 helmets here in Poland, for use with R-73 heatseekers. It's just a little monocular for one eye.

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You are correct sir... thanks for refresning my memory. I forgot about the minigun/cannon tracker. Apparently.. wherever the gunner looks... there the gun points

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The gunner wouldn't want to girl-watch then.lol

If I'm wrong if I don't & wrong if I do, you're having your cake & eating it too.

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He could have very easily had his helmet modified by someone in his Aviation Life Support Equipment shop so that the monocle was over his other eye.

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Actually, the way our brains & bods are wired the left hemisphere controls the right side of the body but the same sides feed the brain; r\r l\l. So basically...
... I've no idea what's going on! {lol} I've never in my life seen someone shooting with their right hand & sighting with their left eye! Weird... totally a plot motivator I think.
I also think he should have been wearing her panties. It would have made his taking them at the laundry less pathetic & creepy.

Its easier to whisper advice from behind the scenes rather than risk its merit at the point of attack

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I can say that Right handed and left eye dominant is not the norm. I have that and it is a bitch to find a good hunting rifle.

How can you kill women, children? -Joker. Easy, don't lead them as much -Door Gunner

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I'm left handed and right eye dominant.

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I did my military service with a guy who was a right-shooter (most left handed people fire rifles on their right side, myself included) but left-eye dominating. Until he learned to resolve that issue he was banned from firing shoulder fired rocket launchers (the AT-4/M136 disposable tube) for safety reasons!
His firing position was so bass-ackwards the round could end up pretty much anywhere!

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I used to shoot right handed and sight with my left eye, was a bitch to get into place but I used to be a crack shot more often than not.

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eye dominace is why most shooters have to close an eye. A practived riffleman who has trained there eyes will have both open when sighting. Of course, the advent of telescopic sights sort of do away with this practice, but hey there an esoteric technique lesson for you.

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I am right handed and left eye dominant. it can be that way if your right eye is way weaker than the left. So the left eye basically takes over. When my hubby tried to teach me to shoot he was so frustrated with my eye dominance. It was a bust, basically.
Nina

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I'm left-handed, but shoot and throw right-handed - and don't have a dominance to either eye.. but that's not why I'm posting. :)

In the movie, where Chief Little (TLJ) is putting the panties on Jake's (Nick's) head, I'm in the background gaping wide-eyed at their antics. I was in the Army at Ft. Hood ("Ft. Mitchell") where this was filmed at the time, was "recruited" to be an extra and ended up having fun conversations with the casting director, Mr. Rick Montgomery. I welcomed them, since most of my time was spent with military co-workers who didn't always share my sense of humor at the time. So I digress..

He told me about a part for the movie that he thought I should audition for. A group of soldiers auditioned, and Mr. Green chose me. The scene was later cut from the movie, but it came at the end of where Jake is driving around with the panties on his head. I play a mechanic and Jake is returning the Hummer to the Motor Pool.
He's still got the panty-rig on his head and walks up to me saying, "Returning this vehicle for Chief Little." - to which I reply, "Must've been one helluva party, Sir!"

I think I figured out later on my own why they would cut this, although it would have been a funny punchline to the driving scene. Since I'm in the scene where they're putting that on his head (much funnier scene), how could I be shocked later? Not possible. Anyway, I've tried to find out where I could find a copy of this scene, because it was one of the funnest times of my life. I was praying that it might be in the deleted scenes when DVDs came around, but I haven't found a copy that has them as an extra feature. Anyone have any idea where I can start to find something like this?


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LOL funny story Monkeymike, I wish you luck finding that scene. I recognized Fort Hood instantly, as would anyone else in 6th ACCB any time in the 80's. I still remember running to that &*%$ checkered tower every morning. Great movie for remembering the flight line and such, but sadly, that's about it.

The thing I always wondered about the monocular that he wore driving the jeep was that it appeared to be two angled mirrors in a tube; like the toys we used to get as kids to look over walls and around corners. First problem I have with that is 'why'? A toilet paper roll and a patch would serve the same purpose... and two, the way it was attached wouldn't work. The lower mirror was down around his nose - no where near his eye in the scene when they are stopped next to the officer and his wife in their car.

19D20 4/9, & 1/6 real cav :)

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Yes most people who are RIGHT handed are Right eye dominant.

There are some people whose Hand and Eyes have opposite dominances.

As a Riflery Instructor I've ran into more than a few students something like 5% who needed to have blinders on when shooting.

The Goof for "Firebirds" is that as a US Army Pilot/Warrant Officer, he would have had to qualify in basic Marskmenship where his eye dominance would have been identified much earlier in his Army Career.

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I'm pretty sure most people that are right-handed are also right eye dominant. But, that doesn't mean everyone works that way. I'm right-handed, and use my right eye like the "norm". But, my husband is left-handed and is is right-eye dominant. My son is right-handed and is left eye dominant. Though, my son also bats left-handed, but he throws right. My husband bats and throws left.

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it is one of those 'what is considered the norm' type of things.

most everyone I know think that they are Right/Right, but when tested alot of them ended up being right/left eye dom.

I'm right/left, I've been shooting all of my life. the easiest test is to make a circle with your thumb and index finger. hold it about 6 inches from your face and focus on something around 5 feet away. then close 1 eye and if it is targeted then you found your eye dominance.

what I found as I grew up and went through my courses is that it helped when training with weak-hand firing. I can use my right eye with ease now when aiming a pistol(the main time it becomes an issue for ppl, longarms seem to be easier for ppl to deal with) and I can also easily fire with my weak-hand cause it is my natural eye dominance.

it's funny I still use this movie as a reference for ppl when explaining eye dominance vs hand/foot dominance.

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I was just thinking the same thing.

Couldn't he just get a left handed helmet?

For the record, I'm right handed and left eye domminant.

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I'm a mechanic on Apache helicopters, for the record, we would probably tell the pilot to suck it up and look through the right eye instead of trying to get the brainiacs at Boeing to develop a left eye monocle, installation processes, manuals, maintainence procedures, fault checking tests, a bill to the army for $2,000,000 and backup systems, to be completed by the time the pilot who requested the part has been retired for several years. Also, the current monocle plugs in on the right side of the cockpit and if you were to try to switch it you would put stress on the short cords, if the cords break it's roughly a $2,500 repair. there is also no mount on the left side of the helmet for the monocle. As for the problem of eye dominance, when you are looking through the monocle it's not a matter of which eye is dominant but the talent of switching the eye you are looking through without closing the other eye, it takes practice but is possible. The pilots in the army go through a 6 month training course where they, undoubtedly, get plenty of practice.

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Let me offer some perspective from a pilot.

The reason we don't have HDUs (Helmet Display Units) on both eyes is so we can see everything else without it.

What the HDU is showing is anything from our nose-mounted sensors, either the PNVS (Pilot Night Vision Sensor), which is mounted above the TADS (Target Acquisition Designated Sight), see. They send visual information to computers inside the black boxes inside the two FABs, and those computers translate that as visual information into both the HDU and VDUs in the Pilot's cockpit and Co-Pilot/Gunner's (CPG) cockpit. These are the odd things on the nose of the aircraft. These things contain FLIR sensors that enable use to see excellently at night, gives us normal TV (called Day TV), and allows us to sight our weapons. The TADS contains the Apache's laser, which allows us to paint the target with laser-guided Hellfire Anti-Tank Missiles. The HDU allows us to use these devices so we can target what we want and fire upon them when used in conjunction with the helmet system called IHADSS (Integrated Helmet and Display Sight System). The IHADSS tracks our head movement, and the PNVS/TADS moves and tracks according to what we're looking at. We can also control the 30mm Autocannon Turret this way.

Also in the HDU, we get flight data, and if you look on YouTube for Apache camera sight footage, you'll see a long rectangle on the bottom, and inside that rectangle is a little square. This indicates where the sensor is looking at in relation to the aircraft. If the square is in the middle, it's looking generally straight ahead. If it's to the right or left, it's looking right or left. This can be important especially if you need to show your co-pilot what you are looking at, so he gets a good sense of which way to look, since he can't turn his head toward the back seat in order to see you (the co-pilot gunner sits in the front seat). Next to this will be what vision mode we're in (FLIR,DTV) and what weapon we've got WASed (Weapon Activation Select - We use a lot of acronyms in the Army).

As remarkable as this is, we need to see everything else too. I need to see where I'm going, gotta look at my fuel, altitude, engines, I may have to check my map to see if it jives with the waypoint navigation I have on my GPS (also keyed into the wayfinder graphic on the top of the HDU view). At night, the visual in the HDU is dazzlingly bright, and so often I'll have to swivel it away so I can see with my other eye.

Which ever eye you are dominant with, or prefer to use, the Aviation Life Support Equipment (ALSE) guy can modify your visor to accommodate your preference (he uses a Dremel tool to carve it out of the plastic).

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Well, just the fact that they covered this issue puts it above Top Gun in my list of good flying movies.

I always thought it laughable in TG that the scene where they had the best chance to sound like real aviation professionals, the debriefing scene, had dialogue like this...

Charlie: "Aircraft One performs a Split-S? That's the last thing you should do. The MiG's right on your tail — what were you thinking?"
Maverick: "You can't think up there. If you think, you're dead."

Pretty much any line uttered by Tommy Lee Jones in Fire Birds is better than that tripe.

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