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What happens to Jack? (Spoilers!)


There is a big plot hole. SPOILER COMING NOW. Towards the end of the movie, Jack goes AWOL to visit his wife and her family in the camp. He confesses to Mr. Kawamura that he has left the Army and Mr K. says "Go back." He does go back, and the next scene is the officer chewing him out for being AWOL and the FBI guy (?) calling him on previously being Jack McGurn and being a member of the projectionist's union in New York (presumably this relates back to the beginning of the movie, when he was involved in the smoke-bombing and fire-bombing of that NYC theater). The FBI guy says, "Soldier, you are in a lot of trouble!"
BUT THEY NEVER SAY WHAT HAPPENS TO JACK AFTER THAT! I find this super-annoying! Does he go to the stockade? Is he dishonorably discharged? Can he cut a plea deal because (presumably by now) he can speak Japanese and they need linguists? Does he get shipped overseas? I'm especially interested in the conditions of his discharge (honorable, dishonorable, for the good of the service, etc.) because I want to know if he qualifies for the GI Bill. If so, I can see him going to law school and becoming a lawyer who fights for the underdog, based on his character's history.
They spend so much time following Lily and her family in the camp and elsewhere, that they forget to answer some important questions about what happens to Jack. Hey guys - I'd like to know!

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Dear msuspartan

yes, there is a big hole in the plot. the film doesn't tell you what became of mcgunn//mcgurn during the war. the scene with the fbi guy catching him in the army is unlikely. the army had grown to 15 million men. identifying a mcgunn as a former mcgurn among the seas of privates was not probable. a mere private would probably have been sent to some 'garden spot' as canon fodder.

under fdr the unions became legal. an irish person would more likely wind up in trouble with the fbi in 1942 for real or imagined axis sympathies.

there are many other historical lapses in the film.

HA Andrews

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Yes, that is the one that stuck out the most. While there were numerous stories created, most of them were left unfinished. The historical aspects of treatment during the war was interesting, but again the director gave it to us so lazily that it lost all of its impact. This should have been an excellent movie, but we end up with something that is just okay.

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It's pretty obvious what happened. Jack was imprisoned.
The story from the beginning is told in flashback,
just after Lilly and Mini walk to the Florian train
station to welcome after his release from prison.

The further evidence is that Jack has not seen Mini
for a long time is, when they, they are both shy until
the begin the walk down the tracks toward home.

"Soldier, you're a lot of trouble," means that Jack
has finally been caught and there's no way out for
him.

The theme of the movie is that love endures despite
family differences, racial differences and intervening
prison sentences.

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Given the general plot and storyline, I expected this to be a great movie, but as a previous poster said, it was simply okay. Its too bad, because it really could've been great. And to another previous poster asking about the GI bill, I don't believe that the GI bill exsisted until the 50's, so it seems unlikely that he was eligible regardless of his discharge.

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The G.I. Bill indeed was set up right after WWII. How do you think Tony Curtis became a movie star and how were his acting lessons paid for? The G.I. Bill.

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The GI bill definitely existed at least as early as 1947 (I attended college with classmates on the bill).

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I attended college from 1947 through 1951, and I can assure you that there were many fellow students attending college with the aid of the GI Bill.

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When the film came out part of the publicity material-a press kit etc- included a synopsis and 20 or so pages of " production notes " written by Alan Parker. I read them at the film school here in Sydney.Sort of like the " making-of " material we now get on DVD.
The last line of the synopsis reads :

"The Kawamura women join a cousin at a California strawberry farm, and in 1948 Lily and Mini are waiting at the train station to be finally reunited with Jack on his return from prison".

So I guess he went down because of his union activities.

Anyone bought the DVD recently? -does it still include commentary and the Rabbit in the Moon doco ?.

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These comments and others encourage me to see the film. Just a few quick notes from this former historian: the first "G.I. Bill" was passed to reward those who served in WWII and resulted in widespread university education of many millions; labor unions were legal long before FDR's administrations, though certain of their activities (bombings, violent strikes, etc.) were not; FDR was not "lied to" before ordering erection of concentration camps but instead based his decision on assumptions that, though common and considered reasonable at the time, now would likely be discredited.

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Thanks, Martin-B, that really clears it up. I assumed Jack had gone to prison (they make a big deal about his being in "a lot of trouble, solder!"), but it was a big lapse by Parker not tell us what happened to him (or even what year it was when he returned -- I assumed 1945, but couldn't be sure.)

As to a previous poster's comments about the film's authenticity or lack thereof, I thought its handling of the Japanese-American internment was very well done from the point of view of historical accuracy. Many of the details of camp life at Manzanar that the movie protrayed (the lack of toilet stalls for the women, the factions among the internees, the baseball games and big band dances) all figure prominently in memoirs from former internees.

The bigger picture stuff -- exec order #6099 (I think), the supereme court ruling on the camps, the notorious loyalty oath) is also handled in what I believe is an historically accurate fashion. Parker and his scriptwriter really did their homework for this film, whatever its narrative shortcomings.

One last poseter-related kvetch -- yes, by the 1940s unions had been legal for several decades (Jack at one point even cites a law passed in 1915 or something like that) but in the 1930s union activism was still a violent and dangerous world. There was also a considerable amount of labor unrest in the U.S. DURING World War II, a fact conveniently glossed over by glorifiers of the "greatest generation." An AWOL soldier with a known record of labor agitation and violent organizing activities would certainly have been of interest to the FBI, even in 1942-43.

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The various plot holes and missing information are simply, I feel, a symptom of the basic anti-americanism of the average european movie director, i.e. in this case, the only thing that matters is getting over to the audience how badly the Japanese were treated during WWII by racist Americans - people are left to draw their own conclusions about anything else. Alan Parker's a very nice guy if a litle naive, but he tends to be blinded by his obssessive need to point out and highlight every mis-step the American government has ever made, and they have made plenty so he's got a lot to choose from.

Americans are pretty much de-humanised in this movie, which is fair enough, as it is approached totally from a pro-japanese bias. And yes, many of the japanese americans involved did suffer loss and deprivation - however, it is a fact that, contrary to what Parker asserts, the Banzai/Nisei back to Japan movement had started in the US long before WWII, and was very popular among young Japanese men. The movement naturally and understandably gained strength in the camps, but was not begun there.

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Okay, so this response is several years late, but here is what I always got from the movie after having seen it several times.

He was wanted for that fire in the movie theater. He go sees his brother and then changes his name and moves. He marries the girl then gets picked up by the army.

He goes AWOL to visit his wife, then goes back to the army. When he gets back they have been investigating him and know who he really is. I believe the FBI agent asks him his real name. He then goes to prison for running from the original charges of setting fire to that movie theater and for the charges of actually causing the fire as well as for going AWOL for so long.

That's always what I assumed happened, anyway.

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Speaking as a Japanese American (born in the US post WWII, mixed race, like Mini) I found the movie thrilling because for the first time (BIG screen) somebody was telling the story that I and my friends and family already knew.

I was just talking about this movie with some younger (under 35 yr old) friends who weren't even aware these things happened. The question was "why didn't we learn these things in school?"

Oh yeah... I know the answer to that!

Maybe the film wasn't perfect historically or production wise, but most film isn't perfect. Hell, life isn't perfect.

I say, "good to ya, Parker" for making such a brave film at a time it wasn't popular.


a little difference made in the life of one can be the big difference made in the world

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this movie is nothing but a love story between a Haole and a japanese girl
its just like Pearl Harbor
there are some key factors... but in all its a Love Story

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Don't know why my response to this didn't post earlier, I'll try to recreate it. Maybe there will be two eventually.

Okay, so it's a love story between two people of different backgrounds? So does that mean it shouldn't have been done or that it's not relevant. Does it minimize the history of the background of this love story? I think not.

It's a HUMAN story and a human theme. Shakespeare was/is popular because of his ability to transcend era and nationality and tell human stories of love and hate fear, jealousy, status et al...

Parker got people talking, we are here talking. Kudos to him and a brilliant cast.

Love story? Love makes the world go round.

a little difference made in the life of one can be the big difference made in the world

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What a dumb comment! 100,000 people relocated and illegally imprisoned ... according to the Supreme Court ... and it was just a love story to you. I will bet if this was your heritage you would never say something this silly!

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The FBI guy was the bad guy, he should had been punished.

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