Bank vault explosion and Pete - Twin Peaks (1990) Discussion

[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

. . . because Nance was such a close friend of David Lynch, I doubt that Lynch would have thrown his buddy out of work by killing off his character.

That thought has crossed my mind as well. I've casually considered that Jack Nance may have wanted off the show and that's why they put him there with Andrew for the explosion -- Pete absolutely did not need to be with Andrew for any of that business.

There isn't really a good explanation for how Audrey would survive. However, there is room to play around with the idea: Since she was positioned further away from the blast -- judging by the angle of the vault door relative to the primary vector of force she may have been partially shielded. . . blah blah blah . . one could at least entertain the idea.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

That thought has crossed my mind as well. I've casually considered that Jack Nance may have wanted off the show and that's why they put him there with Andrew for the explosion -- Pete absolutely did not need to be with Andrew for any of that business

I remember reading somewhere that in the original season finale script, Catherine rather than Pete was slated to have gone with Andrew to the bank vault, which would have made more sense (can't recall the source or whether it seemed reliable). Perhaps when Lynch realized that there would be no season 3 he substituted Pete, knowing that Pete's death would probably have more of an emotional impact on the audience because he was a favorite supporting character to so many viewers (i.e. had there been a Season 3, Pete wouldn't have been killed off to begin with).

I'd be surprised if Nance wanted to be off the show, since the guy didn't have much of a career apart from David Lynch's projects. It wasn't as though all the world's top directors and studios were clamoring to give Nance big roles in anything else.

In contrast, I'm guessing that Dan O'Herlihy (like David Warner) was a guest star who did want to be off the show after a couple of episodes, and hence had to be killed off quickly. Which is a shame since these two actors added some gravitas and substance to the otherwise often trashy and soapy season II.

There isn't really a good explanation for how Audrey would survive. However, there is room to play around with the idea: Since she was positioned further away from the blast -- judging by the angle of the vault door relative to the primary vector of force she may have been partially shielded. . . blah blah blah . . one could at least entertain the ide

She could plausibly survive, albeit terribly burned/scarred and crippled for life. Having her survive intact is completely implausible. If Lynch wanted to continue with her character and with the actress, he could have just relegated Audrey's spirit to the Black Lodge along with Laura and Leland.

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[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

Perhaps when Lynch realized that there would be no season 3 he substituted Pete, knowing that Pete's death would probably have more of an emotional impact on the audience because he was a favorite supporting character to so many viewers

Well that does make a great deal of sense. I wonder, were Nance still around, if they would have brought him back for the upcoming season. Such a move would turn even the standard chapter play on its head. Lynch and Frost obviously had no idea they'd be doing this 25 years down the road.

. . . he could have just relegated Audrey's spirit to the Black Lodge along with Laura and Leland.

I like that idea better. But the general viewing audience would not I suspect. My guess is that most would prefer even the flimsiest of explanations afforded for her survival, just in the hopes of an eventual Cooper/Audrey pairing.

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[–] laughingpineapple 8 years ago

Considering the amount of dead people I see in the cast list, yeah sure, why not! If Walter Olkewicz is in...
I agree with that possible reasoning behind Lynch's decision to switch Catherine with Pete. While we know that there were vague plans for a season 3, we also know they were very aware that that last batch of episodes was it. So he hit us where it hurts.

About Audrey, dunno. Her character had strayed so far from her original arc that it's hard to picture anything meaningful. Her season 1 arc was "becoming Laura", so in a way, ending up dead and in the Lodge like her would have been fitting. On the other hand... not like that. That death would've been devoid of any meaning/symbolism for Audrey herself, it would've only furthered Ben's plot. And I always got the feeling that Audrey was supposed to overcome her arc, to get burned but then raise her head high - and go to Hollywood!

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[–] Aeropacker 8 years ago

Audrey was always slated to survive the explosion. I'm interested to see what kind of shape she'll be in for Season 3. Someone somewhere confirmed that she is alive, not a spirit in the lodge.

There is absolutely no plausible way for Pete to have survived, they really painted themselves into a corner with that one. Unless something supernatural happened, which really wouldn't have gelled well with that part of the story - which had pretty much been completely grounded in reality.

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[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

Someone somewhere confirmed that she is alive, not a spirit in the lodge.

That would be Mark Frost.

From The Twin Peaks Post, March 28, 1989 (The Secret History Of Twin Peaks}:

At approximately 9:15 this morning, Twin Peaks High School senior Audrey Horne (18), daughter of prominent local businessman Benjamin Horne, entered the bank for reasons that are still unknown.*

*(I find that an odd thing for a paper to say -- "for reasons that are still unknown" -- people visit banks for a number of reasons, why is the reason even considered?)

After the blast, Miss Horne was found unconscious but alive in the rubble of the basement. She has been transported to the ICU at Calhoun Memorial Hospital, where she is listed in critical condition . . . . A first responder later confirmed to this reporter that Miss Horne had been found near the open vault door, but that it may have shielded her at least partially from the explosion.

I have a hard time with this part:

He also confirmed that Miss Horne may have been intentionally shielded by one of the victims in the blast, Pete Martell, who was found lying on top of her.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

He also confirmed that Miss Horne may have been intentionally shielded by one of the victims in the blast, Pete Martell, who was found lying on top of her.

Pete wouldn't have been able to do this. He wasn't standing next to Audrey when the blast went off, and wouldn't have had time in the millisecond between ignition and explosion to get to her.

And as I said before, if Audrey survived the ordeal as anything other than a terribly scarred cripple, that is almost equally far-fetched.

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[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

I suppose one could interpret the occurrence to mean that Pete was thrown onto Audrey by the explosion, thus unintentionally shielding her.

That could work.

But the obvious implication is that Pete deliberately went out a hero, and while it's a nice thought and in keeping with his character, quite impossible given what we're shown.

Then again, Frost rewrote all the events in a departure from the show anyway. If I'm reading it correctly, the bank explosion was March 28, but Catherine sold the mill to Horne on March 23. So it wasn't even a case where she was grieving when she sold it back to Ben -- and that is certainly not what happened in the episodes.

Then there's Audrey, who according to Frost, marched down to the bank to stop her father (not the Packards) from pursuing the Ghostwood project.

Why Frost changed this I of course have no idea. It's ok. I guess. Since his book is all a setup for the upcoming season it gives fans time to digest the material and speculate/anticipate why these changes were necessary.

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[–] paranoja 8 years ago

She could plausibly survive, albeit terribly burned/scarred and crippled for life. Having her survive intact is completely implausible. If Lynch wanted to continue with her character and with the actress, he could have just relegated Audrey's spirit to the Black Lodge along with Laura and Leland.

YouTube "Seconds from Disaster: Explosion in Puerto Rico" - there are people who've survived pretty horrible explosions, as long as they are not in the epicentre of it I guess. Audrey would've been shielded by the door - of course, she would've been severly injured, but in theory there are ways she could've made a somewhat full recovery.

Mark Frost saying that Pete would've shielded her sounds silly though.

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[–] Ziglet_mir 7 years ago

In The Secret History it is revealed that Pete Martell was able to protect Audrey form the worst of the explosion by shielding her with his body. Of course, a lot of people don't necessarily buy that since they were pretty far away from each other when the explosion happened, but it's a nice way to say goodbye and pay tribute to the Pete Martell character.

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[–] nikkiweir 8 years ago

There's a bear in the Packard library that makes me think perhaps Pete could have been intended for an end something like the one he seems to get at the end of the series. There's a point to it.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

I'm not sure why you think a taxidermy mount of a bear foreshadows Pete's death.

Pete's death seemed random and out of place, there was nothing in his character trajectory that would have given his death any significance plot-wise or symbolically. Most of the characters who died in the series were somehow connected to Laura's death or somehow involved in the seedy underbelly of the town (One Eyed Jack's brothel, etc). Pete was more of a spectator to these events and their aftermath, not a participant.

Having Catherine with Andrew at the bank vault (as was apparently the case in the original script) would have made more sense given her involvement in various other shady, underhanded deals. Killing off Pete instead seemed completely random compared to all of the other deaths, something just done because audiences would react to it more strongly than to Catherine's death.

Then again, much of Season Two seemed to consist of random events and subplots, as though the writers were flailing around throwing things with the hope that something interesting would finally stick.

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[–] laughingpineapple 8 years ago

Cancellation was almost certain by the time they shot the finale... I think that's all there is to the switcheroo between Catherine and Pete: it hurts more like this. Andrew enabled the worst of Pete, he let himself get dragged into those little games and paid an unjust price. All that came out of the mill plots' overly convoluted scheming is that the most innocent player in it died.
Dunno, I tend to judge Twin Peaks through a "if Laura Palmer could not have nice things then neither can anyone else" lens so that works for me. Could've been handled better but I'm not against it in concept.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

It's a shame that we were never shown Catherine's reaction to the explosion. Would she have grieved for the deaths of Andrew and Pete, or would she have been happy to be rid of an overbearing older brother (who she probably saw as a rival as much as an ally) and of a doltish husband who she consistently found irritating?

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[–] laughingpineapple 8 years ago

Mark Frost's book has a couple of lines to spare on the matter! But agreed that it'd be even better to see it. Hell, now I want fic about it.

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[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

Indeed . . .

" . . . Catherine Martell, the grieving sister, and her grief was genuine, make no mistake about that. Survivors bear the brunt of tragedy, especially if they had a hand in creating it.

She was the only resident of Blue Pine Lodge now, and with no living heirs or relations, Catherine became a recluse. She never spoke or wrote about what had happened, so one question remains unanswered: Who exactly was she grieving for? All of them, perhaps; brother Andrew, certainly; husband Pete, for all his shortcomings -- at least in her eyes -- probably; maybe even Josie the worthy opponent who had tested her like no other.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

What does Frost's book do to account for Major Briggs' absence? The character didn't die in the series, but the actor who played him passed away a few years ago. Did Frost have Briggs die in the intervening 25 years in order to write the character out of the reboot?

Additionally, the actor who played Leo has basically retired from acting, so I'm assuming that Leo has been written out. Does the book say whether he died from Earle's tarantula trap or not? In reality, tarantulas are only mildly venomous and not especially aggressive, but I think that in the fictional universe of the show we're supposed to assume that they're deadly.

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[–] laughingpineapple 8 years ago

Ah, when Frost said the book wouldn't spoil the series, it... really doesn't spoil the series. It adds a lot of stuff, retcons other stuff (or does it?), and only gives us the scarcest details about the early aftermath of the s2 finale. And that, as they say, is that. The only real present-day info we got is how many FBI agents from the old canon are still working for the Bureau.

Garland's fate in particular is VERY mysterious - the book leaves him on a cliffhanger, but I think it's fake, but there are at least two subsequent occasions where he could've been killed.

And not a single word about Leo - as opposed to a hefty dose of additional characterization for Hank. fwiw, I hope he died somehow, but I like to think that tarantulas are still tarantulas in-universe and that bag of spiders was intended to be a Windom-style prank...

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

but I like to think that tarantulas are still tarantulas in-universe and that bag of spiders was intended to be a Windom-style prank...

For most movies and TV shows where they're used as scare-props, audiences are supposed to believe that tarantulas (or, if those aren't available, emperor scorpions) are the deadliest creatures in the world, even though in reality both are quite docile and mostly harmless. It's possible that Frost and Lynch are devoted enough to realism and detail to make the trap a harmless prank meant to frighten and torment Leo rather than eventually kill him, but I doubt it.

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[–] laughingpineapple 8 years ago

Oh, I believe you're very likely to be right! I was just saying that leaving authorial intent aside (especially if it won't be brought up again), the situation as it is presented would fit Windom's pranking M.O. just as well!

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[–] mateusz-horbaczewski 7 years ago

I hope season 3 will open with a shot of Leo alive and still biting that string after 25 years :D

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[–] nikkiweir 7 years ago

Some time ago I suggested that if Leo had survived, an early scene might show him having recovered enough to participate in one of Twin Peaks' new cottage industries of wooden musical instrument-making --except that he'd have to call someone else in to string the guitars for him.

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"... Two cleverly inquandric hand operated brown oak candle holders with additional string.
... One engraved carpet-filled arctic tea cosy with additional string and computer.
...and, a similar lot ... and extra string, in abundance ... "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHX5_oQC3us

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[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

What does Frost's book do to account for Major Briggs' absence?

Absence? Not sure I follow. What absence?

The character didn't die in the series, but the actor who played him passed away a few years ago. Did Frost have Briggs die in the intervening 25 years in order to write the character out of the reboot?

The character who prepares the dossier (the novel as it were), is Briggs himself. He appears to have compiled this material and made his last entry on March 28, 1989 after having a meeting with Cooper.

The dossier itself is recovered on July 17, 2016 -- at a crime scene.

Whether the Major is alive or not is unclear.

As for Leo . . . well, if they decide his character is not needed (which is my guess), he is easily written off as dead.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

I assume that Frost wrote the book to create continuity with the reboot, so by "absence" I meant the fact that Major Garland won't be returning as a character due to the death of the actor who played him in the series.

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[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

The character of Donna was recast for FWWM. I don't see why Briggs character might not be recast as well.

It would be strange, sure. But I think we're all used to Moria Kelly as Donna by now.

25 years later we can get used to anything.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 7 years ago

Dunno, I tend to judge Twin Peaks through a "if Laura Palmer could not have nice things then neither can anyone else" lens so that works for me. Could've been handled better but I'm not against it in concept.

The difference is that Laura was hardly an innocent victim - she was a manipulator that used her looks and sexuality to have power over other people. It's no accident that both she and Josie were Bob's victims - he appeared to be a demon that preyed on those who are already corrupted (he also takes Widom Earle's soul for the same reason). I think the point was that Laura wasn't especially deserving of a good life, and in the show's universe most of the others who were killed (by Bob or not) were usually those caught in her circle or otherwise corrupted.

The extent of Pete's involvement in the sawmill games seemed to be limited to the scene where the taunts Ben Horne with the tape recorder, and his only role in the Thomas Eckhart vs. Andrew Packard contest was tagging along with Andrew like a loyal sidekick. If the deaths in TP were mostly random, that would be one thing, but instead most of the deaths seemed to have been intended as some kind of morality play, in which case Pete's demise still seems out of place.

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[–] laughingpineapple 7 years ago

oh my god please go read actual accounts of survivors of child sexual abuse since for some reason neither FWWM nor Laura's secret diary got their point through

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[–] froggyandtoadie 7 years ago

Im glad you said this. I haven't seen fwwm in forever so i don't remember if it covered how far back the sexual abuse began, but i know her diary did. Laura was flawed (most of us are) but she is still a victim.

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[–] laughingpineapple 7 years ago

It does! She says it to Harold, "since I was twelve".
But even without that detail, the entire movie doesn't tiptoe around the fact that her continued abuse was nothing new, nor how it shaped so much of Laura's character.

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Please, Diary, help me explain to everyone that I did not want what I have become. I did not want to have certain memories and realizations of him. I only did what any of us can do, in any situation. . . .
My very best.

:(

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[–] froggyandtoadie 7 years ago

Right! Yeah i do remember that. I wish netflix had fwwm but no. Maybe showtime will put it out soon since they're rerunning the series. I actually read the diary before seeing the flick (in the theatre tripping! Wow bob wow) so the story was already layed out for me. Hey,can i ask you about this mark frost book everyone on here is talking about? Have you read it?

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[–] laughingpineapple 7 years ago

Yeah I hope so! For all the new viewers and the old ones without boxed sets! Hell, there's a returning character /from the movie deleted scenes/, Showtime please find a way to show the thing.

And yes! It's incredible, highly recommended! You can listen to the audiobook for free if you haven't burned your Audible free trial yet :) the printed book is the best way to experience it, but the audiobook is also a valid option. Just steer clear of the ebook - awful AWFUL formatting. The other warning is that it does not, in fact, cover the 25 years gap like originally promised. With these two premises out of the way... it's such a bold expansion of the mythology, and the work of a mature author who knows how to respect his characters. Lots of additional threads that intersect and resonate with the existing ones in thrilling ways. It doesn't do TP's trademark indefiniteness in a 'lynchian' way - it does it in a 'frostian' way (less painfully slow scenes, more throwing contradictory facts at you, basically) and it's weird and fascinating and fits perfectly. And some of this stuff is gonna be relevant in season 3, and some is not, and right now it's just so much fun to try and figure out which is which!

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[–] froggyandtoadie 7 years ago

Thank you, you're awesome. You completely answered all the questions i had without me even asking. I had a fear that if i read this book it would ruin my own personal twin peaks experience with season 3. You have settled that fear and due to your grand description of this book im gonna pick it up asap. Cool because i've been having tp jitters ever since i heard it was coming back (i know YOU know what i mean) so this can help keep my twin peaks rattled brain focused...on more twin peaks.

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[–] laughingpineapple 7 years ago

Glad to be of help! (I sure know what you mean, haha!) And considering Frost wrote both s3 and the book... he certainly knew how to foreshadow without spoiling anything! And he sure gave us lots of stuff to mumble over :)

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[–] froggyandtoadie 7 years ago

I thought he wrote the dale cooper tapes book and i see now it was frosts brother. I know you already know all this *beep* but i had no clue the city was kept alive after the show ended. I mean besides fwwm. So listen, i saw there was a twin peaks:access guide to town. Im gonna get that, didn't know it existed. So, ill quit bugging you now, but I am positive you have read this access guide also, right? If you get a sec. tell me a bit about it if you feel like it. Thanks for all your help man.
Also, laughingpineapple is a solid name. The black dog runs at night.

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[–] laughingpineapple 7 years ago

Yes! All the old books were published while the show was still on air. But while Laura's diary was between s1 and s2, at the top of the show's popularity, Coop's autobiography and the Access Guide came out weeks before the s2 finale and barely anyone noticed. I think they're all great! Laura's and Coop's as twin explorations of the twin protagonists' pasts... while the Access Guide captures the lighter spirit of the town. It's a quirky, imaginative and all-around funny book, a collection of trivia about the town that are as absurd as one would expect (feat. the first canonical explanation of why the welcome sign shows an unbelievably large population!), owls and owl by-products, local history, famous residents, cherry pie recipe and so much more.
Always glad to be of help! o/ Frogs and toads are very cool as well.

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[–] froggyandtoadie 7 years ago

Thanks so much. I appreciate the time you took to answer my twin peaks ponderings and really enjoyed your description of the books. Peace pineapple. Keep laughing.

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[–] froggyandtoadie 7 years ago

Yo, finally got book yesterday. Im glad i listened to you, this seems solid.

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[–] laughingpineapple 7 years ago

Excellent news! Enjoy!!

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[–] franzkabuki 7 years ago

Was Laura already a "manipulator that used her looks and sexuality to have power over other people" by the age of twelve when Leland/BOB himself started raping her?

"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 7 years ago

I missed or don't remember the part about the rape and abuse starting at age 12. I was under the impression that they began when Laura was already in high school and perhaps already secretly living a wild and sleazy life. I never watched the prequel, it must have been more explicitly stated there.

If Laura was pure as snow and/or an innocent little kid when she was first attacked by Bob, that doesn't fit well with Bob's two other victims (Josie and W. Earle) who were themselves thoroughly corrupt before he ever got to them. My impression had been that Laura was already rebellious and living dangerously, and on top of that, it was possible that Leland had some perverted desires (however subconsciously) for his daughter that Bob exploited. In both pagan and Christian theologies, demons tend to prey on people's existing weaknesses and vices, while punishments in purgatory or hell are usually elaborations of those vices.

Having both Laura and Leland as completely normal and virtuous before Bob got to them may be true if the rape began when she was still a child, but I guess that also makes the whole thing less interesting.

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[–] Medinensis 7 years ago

Leland was inhabited by BOB as a child.

Laura's visitations from BOB began when she was 12, a child.

Josie? Well, it appears BOB was attracted to her via the fear she emanated (at least as Cooper and Earle put together for us).

So who BOB approaches and how is still a work in progress . . . for us.

"They" wanted Laura.

But couldn't get in.

Leland wasn't strong enough, as a child, to resist.

Josie was enveloped in fear most of her life I would think.

And so it goes.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 7 years ago

That's a good take on it, and consistent with the notion of demons preying on people's existing weaknesses. In some cases that weakness is on account of the person already having evil or perverted inclinations, in other cases, that weakness is just mental infirmity, naivete, or emotional immaturity.

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[–] nikkiweir 7 years ago

In Ep14, Agt. Cooper dictates some notes from his reading of the diary pages that were found at Harold Smith's. From these pages he gathers that Laura was being molested by the person she calls Bob, starting in her early adolescence, which for most U.S. girls these days is probably around junior high school age. (There is variation as to both time and place.) In the movie we hear from Laura herself that it started when she was 12.

The character of Maddy Ferguson raises interesting questions, starting with why was she the only member of her family to come to Twin Peaks. Granted that Laura's funeral might have been too hasty for the necessary arrangements, one still might have expected an appearance at some point from whichever of the Fergusons is sibling to whichever of the Palmers. (I think Sarah and Beth were sisters, and that there's an estrangement that has hurt Sarah.) It's not necessary that, years before, there was some openly Bobbish grooming going on that the Fergusons didn't like, but if there was, wouldn't someone want to know about it?

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[–] nikkiweir 8 years ago

Um ... Mr. de Vere ... Something maybe needs a little brushing up I think.

There are various possible reasons, a less well-known one coming from an episode of late-80s The Twilight Zone remakes that featured Kenneth Welsh. Title is "Acts of Terror." Good episode. I found it on youtube some months ago following a recommendation from someone on this board. It might still be there.

(Did you know that some surname etymologists think that "Weir" is a variant of "Vere?" Anyway, mine is just a penname, chosen with the water control structure in mind.)

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[–] r-hudson13 8 years ago

If you can suspend rational thought for 3 hours and watch FWWM and The Missing Pieces as a sequel instead of a prequel things fall into place. Pete is reunited with Josie in Heaven. Ben and Audrey end up at The Fat Trout Trailer Park. Norma turns into Irene. Dale Cooper turns into Chet Desmond. DC to CD. The bandaid on Carl Rodd's head gives it away.
What ever came after FWWM was going to be a reset. Laura would be alive and Donna would be dead. Season 3 is about what happened when Laura wasn't murdered. Season 3 is technically the beginning of the story. Everything that appears random in season 2 is preparing us for the reset in season 3. Timey Wimey issues.

She has a kind of psychiatric cabaret. Very good. There was something about Suez.

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

If you can suspend rational thought for 3 hours and watch FWWM and The Missing Pieces as a sequel instead of a prequel things fall into place. Pete is reunited with Josie in Heaven. Ben and Audrey end up at The Fat Trout Trailer Park. Norma turns into Irene. Dale Cooper turns into Chet Desmond. DC to CD. The bandaid on Carl Rodd's head gives it away.
What ever came after FWWM was going to be a reset. Laura would be alive and Donna would be dead. Season 3 is about what happened when Laura wasn't murdered. Season 3 is technically the beginning of the story. Everything that appears random in season 2 is preparing us for the reset in season 3. Timey Wimey issues.

Interesting idea, and one that's certainly in keeping with Lynch's themes in films like Lost Highway of recurring events and reborn characters, but I doubt that was his intent with the prequel.

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[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

Pete is reunited with Josie in Heaven

It's a fun and interesting theory and you may be right.

The sunrise almost suggests that doesn't it?

But I don't know . . . even in "heaven" Josie sure is nervous about ending up in a courthouse.

Being anywhere near the law is still causing her high anxiety.

Maybe bardo is a better route?

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[–] Edward_de_Vere 8 years ago

For Josie at least, Purgatory would be more appropriate than Heaven. And besides, I much prefer her fate of spending eternity inside of a doorknob.

As for Pete, it's almost certain that the sociopathic Josie secretly despised him, but took advantage of his naive good nature and Catherine's open contempt for him to affect a friendship in order to advance her own schemes (such as using Pete to get access to Catherine's records and other materials). A more fitting afterlife for Pete would be a river full of trout and a huge coffee percolator to put them into.

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[–] Medinensis 8 years ago

A more fitting afterlife for Pete would be a river full of trout and a huge coffee percolator to put them into.

Heh . . . though without Josie around, Pete wouldn't have to worry about any of his fish brewing in his percolator.

I think Josie is still stuck in the door knob. If Margret's husband has been trapped in a log for so long how could Josie manage otherwise?

I'm still trying to figure out the appearance of Laura's face in that Black Lodge cup of Joe . . .

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[–] nikkiweir 8 years ago

I'm still trying to figure out the appearance of Laura's face in that Black Lodge cup of Joe . .

"Couple of words of advice: Let a smile be your umbrella."

(Note other appearances of umbrellas in the series. Not to mention stiff blowing winds.)

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