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Lazy Writing (Multiple Useless Mysteries)



Please get me right; this is the best comedy show ever made, and it doesn't even have those 'sappy moments' or 'injected serious romance' that pretty much all other comedy shows are infested and tainted with (Cheers, Frasier, Mad about You, etc). It dares to be bold, and tell the truth about relationships - though it still has plenty of misandry.

In any case, I appreciate Seinfeld very much, it's a very, very funny show, and it has made me laugh more than probably any other single TV show.

However, there's one recurring lazy writing symptom that bugs me quite a lot.

"Mystery" is not good or intelligent writing, it's not good comedy. It can make you laugh (and feel frustrated) a couple of times, but the over-usage of it in this show is a bit annoying.

What do I mean by 'mystery'? Well, I better list some, so the reader can get a better picture.

- Why didn't she eat the pie?
- Why did she wear the same dress -always- (even in old photos!)?
- What was wrong with Ellen (the 'loser' girl that looked pretty)?

The show introduces us to interesting things and quirks, puzzles that we'd like to get a satisfactory answer to - and then never answers them. It never even tries. It just leaves it out completely. That's taking the easy way out. You don't have to come up with anything, except a 'mystery', and that way, you can entertain your audience, and then the show is over. You don't have to know anything, you don't have to try to come up with a clever explanation or create an intelligent solution to the mystery - you just leave it "open" or to the viewer's "imagination", and pat yourself on the back.

That's not how good writing works. It's frustrating, almost to the point of being maddening, and ANYONE CAN DO IT.

Anyone can come up with some weird, quirky mystery, that is never resolved. It takes intelligence and creativity to do that AND solve it satisfactorily, in a funny way.

I do appreciate all the intelligence, effort and creativity that went into Seinfeld - but I don't understand why they constantly insulted the viewer with this lazy 'mystery crap' that required no effort.

"This girl does thing B, and Seinfeld wants to know why, and he never gets to know. Isn't that funny? Let's use that in many, many episodes!"

Who the heck greenlighted this particular lazy writing idea?

Sheesh.

What's the point of having a mystery and wallowing in it throughout the whole episode, when it's never resolved anyway? It's just a very lazy writing, and I can't believe they let this happen not only once, but I don't even know how many times!

These mysteries are completely useless.

They're just 'weirdness for the sake of weirdness'.

And that's not comedy, that's just lazy.

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'Weirdness for the sake of weirdness'

Life IS pretty weird and people are so random tho...often we never get an answer and it eats at us...
I STILL wonder about oddball moves people made in front of me many years ago!
I get what you mean but c'mon...people can be really weird
I thought this was part of the charm of the show...seemed realistic to me

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I agree. Sometimes, people do baffling things and you never get the full story. It's actually pretty realistic.

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These episodes are about Jerry's character, not mysteries.

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You’ve missed the point of Seinfeld’s comedy. It was essentially “what’s the deal with...” (insert something weird that makes no sense.)

So “what’s the deal with people who wear the same clothes all the time”... and we relate that to someone we know.

“What’s the deal with eating one pea at a time?”
“What’s the deal with having to see the baby?”

These are observations and by pointing them out we are not trying to solve them, it’s just funny to speak about the unspoken or the unquestioned.

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Completely disagree, out of the overwhelming mediocrity of today, you call this lazy writing? No thank you.

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I want the answer too, why didn't she eat the pie? My curiosity kills me everytime I think about that

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"The show introduces us to interesting things and quirks, puzzles that we'd like to get a satisfactory answer to - and then never answers them. It never even tries. It just leaves it out completely. That's taking the easy way out. You don't have to come up with anything, except a 'mystery', and that way, you can entertain your audience, and then the show is over. You don't have to know anything, you don't have to try to come up with a clever explanation or create an intelligent solution to the mystery - you just leave it "open" or to the viewer's "imagination", and pat yourself on the back.

That's not how good writing works. It's frustrating, almost to the point of being maddening, and ANYONE CAN DO IT."

Sorry but this I totally disagree with you. Tarantino and Kubrick both did it and not only once and therefore had millions of people wondering what exactly did they mean. This gives a reflection, and allow the imagination to work its wonder.

I agree that sometimes, it does feel lame. But this is not because the technic is flawed. It's because the director and the writer(s) didn't execute it well.

When done properly it gives us some of the greatest mysteries in movie history. Also, it's not like if these details are always paramount to the story. Their usually sub-plot elements that simply adds a little something to wonder about. For instance, the content of the case in Pulp Fiction: we don't know what's in the case, ignoring it doesn't change anything relevant to the story and by the end we are free to speculate anything we want.

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But yeah... There are other cases when you feel like the director simply didn't really know how he should explain. I have examples on the top of my head... Except maybe that one (I'm not really sure we can put it in the "mystery" category but it certainly leaves us with some concern): in the first season of Fargo the series, as the episodes go, some characters simply disapear (like for instance Martin Freeman's brother) and we never really know how, when, where and why. They are just... Not there anymore. This actually felt like the creators just forgot about those characters. There I would agree that we can talk about poor writing.

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Trying to compare this show to a Kubrick film is a bit odd as we are not only crossing media, but crossing genres as well. The comedy of these mysteries comes from people doing weird, inexplicable things. If the shows explained the mystery, then it wouldn't be as funny. That's what set it apart from your typical screwball sitcoms where the zaniness was always explained through some forced series of events that, to me at least, never seemed that realistic.

That said, how many mysteries were there on the show? You mentioned three episodes with unresolved subplots, but I can't think of too many more than that.

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"Trying to compare this show to a Kubrick film is a bit odd as we are not only crossing media, but crossing genres as well."

Yeah, I am well aware! It was simply to make a point because the other poster sounded like if he was saying that it always is poor writing. Which of course I don't agree.

"That said, how many mysteries were there on the show? You mentioned three episodes with unresolved subplots, but I can't think of too many more than that"

Haha that wasn't me. :p i didn't mention anything. I never even watched the whole show so I can't really talk about this kind of details.

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Sorry, you're not the OP. I was curious about how many actual "mysteries" there were as most subplots were resolved on the show. I didn't check to see the name of who I was responding to.

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tl;dr

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It was all good writing, and those shows were funny. Every episode doesn't need to be explained and tied up with a ribbon at the end.

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