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How does this compare to 'She Devil' with Rosanne?


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This mini series is NOTHING like the complete crap American film. They are both based on Fay Welton's book, "The Live and Loves of the She-Devil". The US version butchered the story. The US film is a comedy. The British mini series is a drama with comical parts. The mini series is fantastic. I would highly recommend it. The series won BAFTA awards for best drama series and best actress.

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Lol it's totally different...the first part is similar before Bob leaves Ruth. Then it changes a bit, but by the end it's a completely different story, and I don't mean that lightly...by the end, Ruth is in a completely different body (hint).

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4/17/15 4:46a The Life and Loves of A She-Devil 1986
DeMichael: Here in the USA I viewed the original
Black Comedy film and Julie T. Wallace was extraordinary.
The 1989 version with Meryl Streep/Roseanne Barr
was a total disappointment, it was turned into a
unfunny Comedy and was not very good. Meryl Streep
should of played both parts and kept the original tone,
the original became a fierce story of revenge
to destroy Mary Fisher. Roseanne Barr was not an actress
it was filmed Before her own sitcom, she had no acting
experience. I want the DVD.

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It doesn't.

The Roseanne Barr version was complete crap.

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I'm only here to second and third that. It was, I assume, financially useful to the author that this (film version) was made - but it was a complete waste of time, energy and talent (not referring to Barr).

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and I'll fourth it. The BBC version was SOOOO much better.

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i will 5th and 6th it. Lets get a petition for this to release on DVD asap!


Every minute of the BBC miniseries is worth one's undivided attention. Ah just to hear Julie T Wallace ruminatively enunciate the name of her nemesis: "Mary Fisher". Ye Gads - that is Art!

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I'll 7th it. Maaary Fisher.

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I will NEVER!!! look at the forth doctor who the same way ever again.


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The Roseanne movie is another example of how a great piece of work is dumbed down and spoon fed to commercialize it for the general American public. I find it insulting, like Americans can't "get it" without such treatment. I was fortunate enough to live in England when the series came out. It's impossible to find such a rich sophisticated made for TV Mini in the US. Cheers to the UK!

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I agree with all these posts. This version of The Life and Loves of a She-Devil was fantastic and brilliantly acted, especially by Julie T Wallace. I read the book and it stays very faithful to it.

The movie version is the most shocking piece of film I had seen (I only watched it once when it first came out and that was enough!). All the important messages from the book are lost. Also the Hollywood film is supposed to be a comedy and (from memory) it wasn't that funny.

This version is a shocking re-telling of how a rather large, ugly woman is walked all over by an idiot of a husband (who leaves her for a sly, slippery slapper) the wife snaps and takes revenge in the most intricate and fascinating of ways.

There ia s alot of Black Comedy in it (especially Tom Baker and Liz Smith) and many people assume that Fay Weldon had written a completely feminist novel, but actually it sends out a lot of mixed messages. Mary is a product of the fruits gained by the feminist movement, whilst Ruth is the product of a society that ignores and mistreats unattractive people. Everything gets turned on its head and by the end of the story you don't quite know whether the ending is empowering or ultimately a downer. It's all very clever.

The Hollywood version just spins out of control before mid-way and loses any of the messages the book offers - which are brought to life in the wonderful mini series.

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I would certainly never claim the movie was anywhere NEAR as good as the miniseries (which was a masterpiece), but I think the movie has a bit of an unfair reputation. Considering that it was a homogenized, dumbed-down, shortened, prepackaged washed out mass-market block of cheese, it was surprisingly watchable. I wasn't prepared to see it when it first came out, thinking it highly unlikely they'd ever make anything worth seeing featuring Roseanne and Ed Begley, jr (who is so bland, he's barely visible, though that doesn't hurt this role). Seeing it several years later, though, I decided it wasn't as awful as people tend to call it. It's certainly no Oscar contender or anything like that, but I'd give it passing grades, like maybe a C (considering what it is and was meant to be).

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about 1000x better

the film version is $hit

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There is no comparison.

The US film doesn't even tell the same story. The BBC version is in a whole other galaxy. The film was garbage (even though I like Ed Begley Jr.)


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The only one good thing about about that movie is Meryl Streep.

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Actually I don't agree - I even thought Meryl Streep was pushing her luck with this one! All the other posts are right, 'She-Devil' is a really dreadful remake of solid book. However, I don't think Fay Weldon or anyone else cared as the BBC version had only been made a couple of years before and pre-eclipsed this picture.

I read the book years ago and what the BBC version does (which all BBC adaptations used to be fantastic for) is absolutely bring the words of the book to life page by page. The only thing they alter in the TV series is Mary Fisher's conclusion in the story, but I felt this was more to do with pacing than anything else.

I watched the TV series again on YouTube the other day and strangely enough I found some of the themes/characters had dated a little. I think more so because Mary Fisher is such a dated type of women you question why Ruth would be so bothered about her. However, in its day Mary Fisher was more of a relevent type - using all the cliches of pre feminist woman to make money but enjoying all the trappings of the post feminist woman. The only example of this type of women we have left in our society is Anthea Turner! Today we are subjected to a slew of young girls who aspire to being thin and going on reality TV shows that any type of feminism is just dead in the water!

Fay Weldon is a very interesting author and this is why the movie was so dire (as they just lost all her major points). She gets labelled a 'feminist' but many of her messages are anti feminist. Her feminist label only comes from her ability to write strong female characters. 'The Life and Loves of a She-Devil' (I felt) was really showing how women can can have it all - but are in reality only competing against each other and seeking approval of not only men but other women. It's an extreme mixed message. After Bobbo, we see how Ruth is desired by man, incredibly smart at business, independent and able to generate how own wealth. She has more than Mary Fisher does by the time she decides to leave the Vista Rose agency. However, Ruth is so consumed with hatred for Mary Fisher she then proceeds to destroy everything about herself. The final line "I am a woman of 6.2 - a comic turn - turned serious" sums up everything.

It's a shame the movie didn't even try to use these themes!

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I discovered this book & miniseries via the Rosanne Barr movie, so I'll always have a soft spot for it.

But as far as quality goes? The miniseries all the way. Sure, the Barr movie is more "funny" & has a happy ending for all involved, but this one stays closer to the book & wrenches more emotions from you.

You don't feel sorry for Mary Fisher in the movie version whereas you do manage to feel sorry for her in this book. It was wrong of her to try to steal someone else's guy away, but her life is so utterly ruined by Bobbo & Ruth (her deliberately, him accidentally) that you can't help but feel some pity for her. The same type of pity that she assumed that Bobbo felt for Ruth, which makes the viewer's pity that much more darkly humorous in comparison.

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This was the original, 3 years before the US knockoff.

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