According to the trivia, Grodd was mentioned and/or shown on the series. I haven't seen the show yet. How did they reference him?
shareDick Miller's character mentions him in one episode but we never actually see him.
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He wasn't the Grodd we all know though, it was the name of a mob boss. According to the producers, if the show went to a third season they would have brought the big ape in.
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ORLY? It'd be hard for a Harley Quinn reference considering the character wasn't even created for another 3 years after the show first aired.
share-Joker had a nod, After Barry exchanged words with Dick Miller, Dick flipped a card it was a Joker.
-When Barry was walking his dog he passed by a theater thats playing Batman & Superman and whats funny is Barry's dog wanted to go inside.
-Barry made a joke on a journalist calling her Lois Lane.
-Barry's girlfriend Lisa in the pilot is Wally West aunt.
-Barry's brother's name was "Jay" and Star Lab is located at "50, Garrick ave."
Jay Garrick is the first Flash.
-Barry eats alot after using his speed but thats something Wally West does not Barry.
-Barry nodded Professor Zoom when a woman asked him if Flash is an experiment.
-Nightshade joked to Dick Miller about a "Gorilla Grodd".
-Superman villan "Parasite" Rudy Jones worked as a janitor at a "Star Lab" facility.
He wasn't the Grodd we all know though, it was the name of a mob boss.
Ya know, I think it would be dumb to show a giant talking ape, even for early '90s TV, so I don't even mind that he was just the nickname of a mob boss. I'd rather just see a large, imposing mob boss with that name than to see a giant talking ape.
Grood was to be in the 2 hour 2nd season opener. CBS wasn't thrilled but was willing to go along. However, when CBS was told about Gorilla City, an entire city of apes, that was enough for them and they canceled the Flash.
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Journeyman1, I don't know where you got your information but you are completely wrong.
As far as ratings go, the Flash was 2nd place in it's time slot which was Thursday nights 8 -9 pm. A strong second place but 2nd place. Please remember that the Flash was the most expensive show on TV at the time.
As I have said, the second season opener was to have Gorilla Grodd and Gorilla City. CBS had enough and decided to kill it by changing the time slot several times without any announcements or advertising. That's why the rating of later episodes were low. CBS killed the Flash intentionally.
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"Rogues Gallery
The series initially had a dark and gritty tone, and focused on having The Flash confront decidedly human villains, like corrupt officials and mobsters. Midway through the show's run, however, a few of The Flash's familiar "Rogues Gallery" of colorful super-villains began making appearances.
The most famous Rogues in the series were The Trickster, played by Mark Hamill, and his sidekick Prank, played by Corinne Bohrer. (This foreshadowed Hamill's subsequent success at playing The Joker in Batman: The Animated Series. Hamill would later reprise the role of The Trickster on an episode of Justice League Unlimited.) Captain Cold, played by Michael Champion, and the Mirror Master, played by David Cassidy as a disgraced expert in holograms, also appeared in their own episodes. Although fans were pleased to see more DC character's inclusions in the series, the interpretations were radically different from the source material, with the exception of Hamill's Trickster. Captain Cold, for instance, was turned into an albino hitman who murdered his victims by literally freezing them to death, while the Mirror Master was little more than a common thug with a nickname and advanced hologram technology. "
True.
"Cancellation
Ultimately, these appearances were too little and too late to save the show, which struggled with a high per-episode price tag, "
As I previously said, it was the most expensive TV series at the time.
"stiff competition from NBC and Fox's strong Thursday night lineups, as well as frequent pre-emptions due to breaking coverage of the Gulf War. With the series' second episode, the one-hour program was shifted to the 8:30pm slot to avoid the media blitz caused by The Simpsons scheduled opposite The Cosby Show at 8:00. The unusual 8:30 slot didn't work and the series floundered when moved to 9pm. "
As I have also said, it came in second place consitently. They were enough to warrant a second season.
"The remaining episodes aired on Saturday nights where it faced cancellation after a single season. A brief attempt at rerunning the series in the summer on Fridays in hopes of finding an audience and reversing the cancellation also failed. "
As I have said, those time slot changes were the result of CBS's decsion to cancell the series as none of those time slot changes were advertised.
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Actually dude, DeMeo and Bilson have both gone on record as stating the Season 2 opener would've had the Rogues with Cold, Mirror Master, and Trickster teaming up with more Rogues being introduced through the season.
shareThe reason you can't remember a Harley Quinn reference is because she hadn't appeared yet. Batman TAS hadn't debuted yet. I suspect the previous poster is confused with Birds of Prey.
shareThe poster who said there was a referance to Harley Quinn MIGHT be referring to Megan Lockhart referring to the Prank outfit as a harlequin bondage outfit. But you're right, Harley had yet to grace us with her wonderful presence in the Batman Animated Series
shareAs I previously said, it was the most expensive TV series at the time. >>> While conveniently forgetting what you stupidly said to begin with which sparked this conversation, and I quote:
the second season opener was to have Gorilla Grodd and Gorilla City. CBS had enough and decided to kill it by changing the time slot several times without any announcements or advertising. That's why the rating of later episodes were low. CBS killed the Flash intentionally.
They could have made him the leader of a paramilitary group and his name would have been Guerrilla Grodd.
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See that is what I find very frustrating about super heroe shows! I could not wait when I saw this advertised to catch it and it only lasts like one season possibly two seasons at best. I never understand what in the world other people are watching! There will be a grat show to watch and I totally love watching it and due to boneheads out there they would rather prefer to watch something else which causes the ratings to not be so good for the TV show. I would have loved to ahve seen this last at least 3 or possibly 5 seasons.
Lois And Clark lasted for quite sometime, but why did this show not catch on with viewers though?
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Lois And Clark lasted for quite sometime, but why did this show not catch on with viewers though?
I wouldn't consider 4 seasons as being "quite some time." That's about the average that a comic book show lasts because most networks are not willing to take the chance on it. It's remarkable that Smallville lasted for 10 seasons.
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Yes, but Lois And Clark has been in reruns where as The Flash I have not seen once on any other network in reruns and this also includes The SCIFI Channel which loved to show SCIFI TV shows in reruns.
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Reruns don't count as a show still being on. The show ended in 1997 and then aired in reruns on TNT. Anyway, Lois & Clark has not been in reruns for a while either.
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The Flash had so much potential. I am surprised that comic book fans did not tune in to watch the show every week. I understand that reruns do not count, but at least it lasted for 4 seasons thoug. I am referring to Lois and Clark. Yes they did air reruns on TNT for a few years, but they would rather show drama shows and I do not believe that Lois and Clark was a drama show though. TNT would rather show Law and Order reruns and other crap that really sucks than anything else.
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Yes they did air reruns on TNT for a few years, but they would rather show drama shows and I do not believe that Lois and Clark was a drama
If it wasn't a drama then what would you call it? It certainly wasn't a horror show. It was labelled a drama/comedy/action show.
The Flash had so much potential. I am surprised that comic book fans did not tune in to watch the show every week.
Unlike Smallville, where they mixed classic Superman villains with "original" characters, fans of The Flash didn't like when the show did that back in the early '90s. By the time they brought in Trickster, Captain Cold and Mirror Master, it was too late and the ratings had dropped considerably.
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It was a mixture between drama/action/and comedy is what it was for a super hero show.
Yes, but Smallville did not immediately start mixing in the classic Superman Villians for a while if I remember correctly. A lot of the fans of The Flash did not give the show time to be able to build things up for the show. I am sure the director and producers were trying to figure out where to lead the show. I was still watching the show and that frustrates me when I will watch a show from the time it airs until it goes off the air. People do not have patience it seems like.
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Yes, but Smallville did not immediately start mixing in the classic Superman Villians for a while if I remember correctly.
Neither did The Flash but like I said, unlike the fans of Smallville, fans didn't give The Flash a chance. A lot had tuned out before seeing any of the comic book characters.
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There is a saying that The Flash fans should adhere to and that is, "Good things come to those who wait." None of The Flash fans waited patiently to see how the writers of the show were going to add the original characters from the comic book. I was a fan of the show and waited patiently to see what was going to happen because I liked the show when I first saw it air when I was 18 years old. Plus, I was a little pissed that the show did not last for another few years either.
I wonder when they will turn this into a film? They have already done Batman from DC Comics. I would love to see more done from the DC Comics and I wished that they would find a actress who can play Wonder Woman because it would be nice to see a woman fit into Wonder Womans costume with a great body on her as well. I would hope who ever that they got to play the role of Wonder Woman that she will look as great as Linda Carter did. Man she was hot back during the 70's!
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I wonder when they will turn this into a film? They have already done Batman from DC Comics. I would love to see more done from the DC Comics
There is a third Batman coming this year. A new Superman is currently being filmed. There is a date for a Flash film in 2013, I believe.
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I knew about the third installment to the Batman film coming out this summer. I did not know anything about the Superman and Flash film though. Thank you for letting me know about this.
The thing is I believe what the writers of The Flash TV show was trying to do was build up steam for people to tune into the show. A lot of the fans of the comic book did not have the patience to wait for a lot of the villians to appear and tuned out which to me if they were true and loyal fans of the comic books then they would have waited you know.
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I did not know anything about the Superman and Flash film though. Thank you for letting me know about this.
Type in "Man of Steel". That's the name of the new Superman movie. From everything that I've heard on the project, it seems to be influenced by the "Superman: Birthright" graphic novel.
A lot of the fans of the comic book did not have the patience to wait for a lot of the villians to appear and tuned out which to me if they were true and loyal fans of the comic books then they would have waited you know.
I would have to agree with you here.
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I will have to check that out on what you suggested then. It sounds all good about the new Superman movie.
I am glad that you agree with me about fans of the comic book The Flash not having patience to allow the show to build momentum instead of tuning out to watch something else on TV.
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I don't know, 4 years is a healthy Run...
I think we've just gotten used to the 7-10 year runs on proceduralsbut that is more of a Post 2000 idea a lot of 'classics' from the 80s and 90s topped out around 4 or 5
-- Smallville likely would have stalled out at 5, but Superman Returns Underwhelmed and the WB people opted to keep it going
Lois and Clark, in part, lasted longer because of the large female audience it drew. That is a highly sought after demographic, which kept it chugging right along. Also, that audience didn't come from just the comic book world, so it made it even more attractive to the network.
Timeslot changes were the biggest thing hurting the show, but I think tone may have worked against it. It was a bit dark for kids, which probably hurt their viewing numbers. I also think that the uneven stories and acting early on stopped some casual viewers from coming back. They seemed to have a lot of problems deciding on a love interest, not to mention deciding if they wanted standard criminals or finally go with supervillains. I'd say about midway through the series to maybe the last third they really seemed to be heading in a good direction. I know I was a huge comic fan and was excited about the series, but was rather underwhelmed for many episodes. Once the Nightshade and the Rogues started popping up, my interest picked up.
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That is sad to hear that only female viewers tuned in due to the lead character.
I liked the show and did not have any problems following it.
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In "Deadly Nightshade" (Disc Five Episode 1) the original Nightshade mentions having Tranq'd Fossnite (Dick Miller) back in the day when Fossnite had worked for Gorilla Grodd...
nothing clearly stated he was in fact a sentient Gorilla, so I assume he was simply a Mobster and that was his Nickname ala Babyface Nelson
Grodd hates bananas. Catalin is good.
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