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why was this film even made?


although i can tolerate Valmont it's an exact carbon copy of Dangerous Liasons except more sugar coated. DL was much more exciting and entertaining and there really was no need for Valmont at all. I thought when i first saw it that it was going to be a prequel to DL showing all his previous exploits which would of been a good movie but sadly enough it had to be the same story at least to a point. B-O-R-I-N-G. Cruel intentions was good though in an updated dirtier way but Valmont I could live without.

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I actually disagree. I think the fact that Valmont is lighthearted gets to the point of the movie, which is that it's all fun and games until people get hurt. Also, I was really distracted by how OLD (and not attractive) Glenn Close and John Malcovich were. Annette Benning was so sexy in this and I can completely understand how any woman would fall for Colin Firth's charms. Uma Thurman was too old looking and sexy to be the innocent Cecile IMO. The only person in Dangerous Liaisons who was perfect was Michelle Pfeiffer, she was amazing.

I also think the set direction, costumes, locations, etc were better in Valmont. I love Milos Forman, what can I say?

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Both films are fascinating to watch and compare side by side, being adaptations of the same novel made simultaneously - I thnk they're as good as each other; it's hard for me to say which of the two I prefer. DL is faster-paced and more of a thriller while Valmont is slower and has more humour to it. Incidentally, production on Valmont began before DL; DL was made more quickly and so was released first.

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The sets were just gorgeous in Valmont. Prague was a perfect place to shoot. Love Milos.

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I actually disagree. I think the fact that Valmont is lighthearted gets to the point of the movie, which is that it's all fun and games until people get hurt. Also, I was really distracted by how OLD (and not attractive) Glenn Close and John Malcovich were. Annette Benning was so sexy in this and I can completely understand how any woman would fall for Colin Firth's charms. Uma Thurman was too old looking and sexy to be the innocent Cecile IMO. The only person in Dangerous Liaisons who was perfect was Michelle Pfeiffer, she was amazing.

I also think the set direction, costumes, locations, etc were better in Valmont. I love Milos Forman, what can I say?


exactly. agree completely

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Couldn't have said it better myself! I liked this much better! Milos is a God in film! Colin is a smexy dude! My God! I think Jeffrey was very hot in this film as well! I liked this Cecile better, she was younger and also seemed younger in the way she was. And she was supposed to be 15 (she was 14 in this film). I don't know how old uma was, but she seemed old too me as well. I do like Glenn and John, but I don't know about them in DL... I think that DL seemed to "American", while Valmont was more "European", even if they had American actors.

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I like them both, but I think Valmont was the better adaptation. It's more nuanced and flows more naturally. DL was a bit stiff and obvious in some respects. And as others have pointed out, the two films were made simultaneously and Valmont actually started production first.

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Valmont was more fun to watch. I think that's kind of the point, right? They had to show how it was all fun an games until somebody got hurt. DL was never fun--kind of foreboding the whole time. Also, Uma and Keanu were just dreadful and John M. wasn't nearly as heart-throbby as Colin.

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Which Annette Bening movies have you seen? I think your opinion is indefensible.

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I prefer Valmont. Both the movie and the character were better, so it is obvious to me why it was made - it's better.

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I agree with the others, Valmont is more nuanced and therefore when it does start to get dark it's more thrilling. It was fun and harmless until someone got hurt and we see the characters grow and change.

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I thought this film, while not perfect, was much truer to the spirit of the original story than Dangerous Liaisons -- also more true to the spirit of the French 18th century.

Dangerous Liaisons was so ... AMERICAN. Glenn Close in particularly was so wholesome-looking -- she went about her scheming with an almost Mid-Western earnestness that was painful to watch in (supposedly) an 18th century French marquise. A little light-heartedness, a little esprit -- please.

Annette Bening is American too -- but I believed her as Mme de Merteuil. She really did convey the playful, frivolous style that was characteristic of the period. And Colin Firth as Valmont was actually CHARMING -- something Valmont had to be, but John Malkovich definitely wasn't. The scene where Valmont dances in turn with the four women at the country house was perfect.

I also thought that Fairuza Balk was much better as Cécile than Uma Thurman. She was the right age, for one thing, and able to convey the character's combination of naive innocence mixed with developing sophistication.

Downside in both movies: Mme de Tourvel. Neither Michele Pfeiffer nor Meg Tilly managed to convey anything of why somebody like Valmont might become obsessed with this woman.

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Believe it or not, Uma was 18 when she made this. Amazing how she has always looked like a sexy adult. Fairuza was perfect, which made it seem even creepier when they were manipulating her and when he took her virginity.

Annette Benning was my hero after this film. I thought she was the sexiest woman ever in this! The way she would go from soft and light to cruel and calculating on a dime was fantastic.

Glen Close is just not youthful or traditionally beautiful or sexy or especially coquettish-- which the character had to be, in order to bed so many men. Also, the chemistry between Annette Benning and Colin Firth was hot. Was not so into Glen and John---though both are obviously amazing actors and have been wonderful in other roles.

And the end, when Valmont died, seemed much truer to me in Valmont. Life goes on, the games keep getting played, just not by him.

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Glen Close is just not youthful or traditionally beautiful or sexy or especially coquettish-- which the character had to be, in order to bed so many men.
First off, I completely agree with you about Annette Bening being beautiful and attractive than this! That being said, it wasn't the only quality that would have persuaded me into fall for a woman like her. What Glenn Close had on her side was strength and confidence -- the kind that would have been sexy, even if her looks traditionally were not. So, I can completely see how many men would have fallen for Glenn Close in Dangerous Liaisons, just as I can see how many people would fall for Annette Bening.

They were both attractive, but in different ways.

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I think Benning and Firth better displayed the duplicity of their characters.

Malcovich and Close were too sinister to be believed. I find it hard to accept anyone could be fooled by them.

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And really--no way would the sheer "sensuality" of Glenn Close have enticed a young Keanu Reeves into bed with her. No way.

Also, Malkovitch was way too smarmy in this to be charming and sexy. If I saw him lurching towards me I would find the back door. I mean, he played Valmont as Vincent D'nofrio might have.

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I couldn't sit through DL because I just could not believe John Malkovich and Glenn Close as any kind of sexual players.

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Glenn Close was gorgeous!

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And really--no way would the sheer "sensuality" of Glenn Close have enticed a young Keanu Reeves into bed with her. No way.
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People forget that this story is based in the 18th century aristocracy. Aristocracy in those times was driven by other norms, and this includes passionate behaviour. Legend has it that Queen Catherine from Russia was obese, old, and ugly, and yet her large passionnate appetite was always satisfied by young attractive and especially ambitious men.

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I couldn't sit through DL because I just could not believe John Malkovich and Glenn Close as any kind of sexual players.

[gobsmacked]

Whereas I am immune to the charms of Colin Firth, I found John Malkovich irresistible in this role, not handsome, but sexually attractive, and I could understand very well why Madame de Tourvel fell for him.

I love "Dangerous Liaisons", but "Valmont" didn't impact on me at all. The only thing I remember is one scene, which is hot. Despite the fact that Colin Firth is in it.

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Although Henry Thomas as Danceny was more my type,


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Why was it made? It is simply a different production based on the same book. Same reason as why The Three Musketeers or Count of Monte Christo are produced over and over every few years. Different artistic take.

I personally like Milo Forman's Valmont a bit more then Dangerous Liaisons.

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