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Love The Movie, Willem Dafoe, and Have Questions About Salamo.


I'm surpised that nobody writes about this movie in the message boards. This is a good movie and people need to watch it because it is insperational and it teaches you a lot about the holocaust. This is the movie that made me fall in love with Willem Dafoe's work. Before I thought that Willem only played bad guys until I saw this movie. He was really good. He did a beautiful performance as Salamo Arouch.

Does anyone know where I can get information about the real Salamo Arouch? I can't find anything about him. It makes me question if this story was really true. I saw this movie on the True Stories Channel. I don't know how much this movie can be credible for being true if there isn't enough evidence that Salamo was a real person who went through these experiences. Are there any documentarys about Salamo Arouch? If he survived why hasn't he spoken out about it? Has he spoken out about it and I just haven't seen anything about him? He oveausely has or else this movie wouldn't have been made.

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You know andromache2 we can sulve the case of Salamo Arouch together, if we try. We can work as a team. You can do a little research here and I can do a little research there.To start lets sort out what we do know.
1) We know that Salamo was an olympic boxer which means that he eather went to the olympics or was reconized as having olympic potental. Remember when he was in the camp and right after he beat up that ss guard at the work sight and then the following scene the ss guards had him in their office. One of the officers asked "if you are an olympic boxer then where is your medal?" Salamo didn't answer. Its not like he bragged about the medals he could have won. So maybe he was reconized as having olympic potental.
2)We know that Salamo had a girlfriend that went through Auschwitz but we don't know for sure if she survived.
3) I know that Salamo and his family were sent to Auschwitz near the end of the war, if he had been sent to the camp in the middle of the war he would have surely have died in the camp. He survived! That we know.

4) We know that he is Greek.

I don't know where you are from but i'm american and i have a good sourse to go to.
Its the United States Holocaust Memorial Musieum, in Washington D.C. I like going on their web site from time to time. They have their own library and research center on everything about the holocaust you can think of. I'm sure salamo is bound to show up there.

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Well, the movie was made -- so to say -- around the corner from where I lived. The very rare newspaper articles all described Aroch's story as true. And I even saw a shot with Dafoe and Aroch together. But I learned to be sceptic about such stories, and "true" in movies is an elastic term. :-)

Couldn't find anything usable about Aroch either, even if I tried different versions of the name: Shlomo, Salomo, Salomon, Aroch, Aruch, Arouch...

BTW, an interesting trivia might be that Dafoe took regular boxer training before and during the movie, and his trainer said he was very good at this the first I know it is a fact, the second might be just a courtesy, but I believe it was possible.

As for the movie itself I was a little bit dissapointed, and irritated, but the second is mostly my reaction on American movies on the Holocaust, because they keep trying to explain things that are so much a part of Polish history and therefore obvious, that those explainings always feel somehow out of place.

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second is mostly my reaction on American movies on the Holocaust, because they keep trying to explain things that are so much a part of Polish history and therefore obvious, that those explainings always feel somehow out of place.

Thats true, but if this movie was ment to be shown to an American audiance, then in some cases because this is more Europian history then it is American history, some Americans don't seem to really care about the Holocaust because it wasn't something that happend on America soil. There for in order to reach out to the American audiances and to teach them about the Holocaust, they have to explain things in a little more detail.

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Yes, I know. But sometimes it is a strange feeling -- if one is rised in such great awareness of Holocaust, as it was the case in Poland, it is hard to imagine that others don't know that much about it. :-)

Of course it works in both directions. And I often wonder how many details and how much of the message in American movies get lost here in Europe, because the audience has no background knowledge. It became clear to me while I was watching Platoon, my first encounter with Willem Dafoe (and actually the reason why I was interested in Triumph later). I remember how the understanding of the movie kept changing, while I was learning more about the Vietnam war and the era in the USA.

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The revolving changes in the movie Platoon was to reflect the revolving changes in how the American's viewed the war itself. At first people thought the where going into this war thinking that they were going into help. Every one was all for until the war kept dragging on and on and on. Several issues were related to why the public appinion changed. First, it was the first time in the history of America that war was televised. My parents and my aunt can remember sitting at the dinner table eating dinner and watching televised news broadcasts of the war. The news reporters were right in the middle of all the action. It was a new method of reporting the news about the war so there were very little sensorship. Also the American millitary lied to the media about the number of people dead. The # of North Vietnamies was greater then the # of Americans dead. That wasn't true. More Americans were coming home dead then alive which changed the young men's appinion about going of to war. They didn't want get killed. Also it was the war itself. As shown in the movie the war was a vishes war. It was a war of good vs. evil and in the end nobody won.

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The way you describe the dialogue in the guards' office is not the way I remember it. I believe Arouch was the "Balkan Boxing Champion" and they asked him where his medal was, (probably like our boxing belt). I do not think he was the Olympic champ...it was the big shot guard who Arouch saw fight in the 1936 Olympics games. I believe that is why that guard was so fascinated with Arouch's ability, because he, himself, had been a boxer. That's the way I remember it, and that would explain why he is not listed in Olympic records which IMDB members have researched.

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It could also be, that the reason Salamo could not reply, to the question of where is medal was, is because it could well have been taken from him, upon arrival at the camp. I do not think a medal would have been something he was likely to have left behind, back in the ghetto.

Possibly for him to have replied, to the question regarding his medal, may well have earnt him some rather harsh treatment, if not death also.

It broke my heart to see him drive away. I lost the one I love today.


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i have check the the olymic boxing records going back to 1904....
he is not there...BUT...he may have been a greek pro..ergo , not allowed in the olympics....OR.. like my self had a bad day ( 1988,cycling) and made alternate member..or just lost early..

one other possablity....he made the 1940 team.. but the olypics were off due to the war...

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I believe that one reason that this movie is not commented on is that it is not well known here in the States and it is shown on cable at "dead" hours between 3-5 a.m. I also agree that most Americans don't know that ha shoah includes Greek Jews and Gypsies.

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I'm surpised that nobody writes about this movie in the message boards. This is a good movie and people need to watch it because it is insperational and it teaches you a lot about the holocaust. This is the movie that made me fall in love with Willem Dafoe's work. Before I thought that Willem only played bad guys until I saw this movie. He was really good. He did a beautiful performance as Salamo Arouch.

I concur. I'm stumped. It's very under-rated. I've been going through a few Dafoe films lately. That's what led me to watch this film.

For the record: 8/10

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There is a substantial bio on him now in wiki with references.

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