I recall on the old boards there was a good theory that Jessica was actually working for Silver, even possibly Barnes or Snakes girlfriend.
1 We never meet her aunt who supposedly stays with.
2 Barnes & co always know where they are, Silver for example was at the nightclub before them.
3 Miyagi sweeps floors and then Silver says " We're not sweeping floors here"
It was a good theory. But that's all it is.
If it were true then she would have turned up at the tournament and sided with Barnes for the ultimate mind fuck for Daniel.
Actually, that would have saved this miserable movie for me.
"It was a good theory."
Would that theory go against your principals [sic]?
Once again, well done. Your counter argument is...oh hang on it isn't a counter argument is it?
share“If it were true then she would have turned up at the tournament“
Nope.
You are wrong and you know it. Silver would have made sure she was there for reasons previously mentioned.
I wouldn’t rule out that deleted scenes may exist of Jessica revealing herself as Cobra Kai. Avilsden perhaps had them removed to give the character some ambiguity and allow audiences to piece together the puzzle themselves. Like Kubrick or Hitchcock, his films have subtle layers designed for thinking people.
shareSo you need supposed deleted scenes, which have never surfaced in over 30 years, to back up a your theory?
Poor.
Robyn Lively is definitely doing something sketchy to even talk with Whinielle.
might be a solid theory..
It's common knowledge that Jessica was working with Terry Silver.
The evidence is overwhelming only a blind person could disagree.
I wouldn't even call that a theory. Jessica did not work for Silver. There was never any intention to do that in the script.
It was strictly a fanfic fantasy.
I agree, when you watch the film before reading these boards it doesn't enter you head.
shareHints are dropped throughout the film. She tipped off Barnes, Snake and Dennis about their whereabouts at the crapshack and later alerted Silver to their jog in the park. Even Mike’s “kicking” her in the stomach was carefully choreographed in advance. Jessica emotionally abandoned Daniel on the eve of the tournament just to further affect his confidence.
shareAnd yet you have never been able to prove it and there is no official backing of your 'ahem' theories.
shareIt’s a subtle and layered film that encourages the viewer to piece together certain elements. There will one day be a Room 237 type documentary exploring its deeper meanings. The more sophisticated themes escape you as you are not a scholarly type.
shareExcept it isn't subtle at all.
shareWA all the evidence supports Jessica working for Silver.
Having Jessica at the tournament would have been too on the nose.
The fact that you need it actually spelled out for you shows you are blind to clear evidence.
It has nothing to do with needing it spelled out for me. This isn't Inception, it's the Karate Kid. There is no subtleness or ambiguity to it, you are either Kai or not. Jessica was not despite you wanting it to be so.
shareJessica was not despite you wanting it to be so.
Prove it.
The whole premise of Silvers plan was to torture and break Daniel before taking his title. If Jessica was part of that plan it would have been revealed at the tournament.
Simple logic.
Now you prove she was
The whole premise of Silvers plan was to torture and break Daniel before taking his title. If Jessica was part of that plan it would have been revealed at the tournament.
Simple logic.
So it's literally impossible that Jessica would be part of the plan and not also be at the tournament?
It would defy the laws of physics for that to happen? The world would stop spinning on it's axis if Jessica was part of the plan and didn't show up at the tournament?
Why are you so stupid?
Not impossible just illogical
You still haven't proven your case. Guess you will just continue to dodge because you can't prove what isn't so.
Jessica was a mole who fed information back to Silver. How else would Mike Barnes have known Daniel had been to the police?
shareAll the available evidence points to Jessica working with Silver.
You're either blind or being deliberately obtuse.
No it doesn't.
It is no different to the moon landings being fake theories
It is no different to the moon landings being fake theories
We DID land on the moon... it's not a fake theory. Although maybe you can meet me on the moon for our showdown? Seems just as likely you'll show up there than anywhere else.
We landed on the moon and Jessica was working with Silver.... FACT.
Are you really that blind with rage that you twist what I actually wrote about the Moon landings being fake? I wrote the Moon landings being fake were theories. Once again you twist things.
THE MOON LANDINGS BEING FAKE THEORIES ARE NO DIFFERENT TO YOUR JESSICA WAS WORKING FOR SILVER THEORIES BEING FAKE!!!! THEY ARE THE MUSINGS OF CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WHO LOOK FOR THE SLIGHTEST THING THEN BLOW IT OUT OF ALL PROPORTION BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT PROVES THEIR POINT....IT DOESN'T.
AMERICA DID LAND ON THE MOON. FACT
JESSICA WAS NOT WORKING FOR SILVER. FACT
THE BURDEN OF PROOF OTHERWISE LAYS WITH THE PERSON(S) SAYING OTHERWISE. YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE YOUR CASE BEYOND THE RAMBLINGS OF A CONSPIRACY NUT.
The evidence has been laid out. Everybody else agrees that Jessica was on the Dynatox payroll. Why else would a female show interest in Daniel?
shareEverybody else doesn't agree though do they? Peruse through the other posts at your leisure and you will see that only bobbydallas gives it any credence and that's only because he can't believe any girl would give Daniel the time of day. That though is either poor casting or poor writing.
shareWhy do we never meet Jessica’s aunt? Silver bought the building across the street and converted it into a run down pottery store.
shareWhy do we never meet Jessicas aunt?
Why do we need to?
She doesn’t exist. Daniel and Miyagi operated the crapshack for over three months without coming into contact with her.
Jessica bringing over macaroni and cheese was also part of Silver’s plan. He had done his research.
Pure fantasy.
As I said, it's a nice thought and would have saved this piece of shit movie. Unfortunately that's all it is....a nice thought.
There’s no debate. It’s the accepted reality.
shareExcept it isn't the accepted reality to anyone but yourself.
Accept that and move on.
All the evidence points to Jessica working with Silver. This has been decided and is no longer up for debate WA. If you continue to attempt to spread debunked theories I will petition your Queen exile you from England.
shareNo it doesn't and no it hasn't been decided by anyone other than yourself, the lowest authority on the board.
shareIt’s accepted fact. If you continue to spread lies and misinformation you will risk causing another board shutdown just like you did with IMDb
shareOnly accepted by you though.
shareYou really should have a belief system based on evidence WA. Your world will get so much clearer.
shareI have it based on fact or proof.
You on the other hand are trolling this board with your fantasies. This conversation has run its' course. Nothing to see here folks.
See the trail?
shareOf you retreating under your bridge...yes.
Now begone foul Troll.
Wears isn’t even fun to debate. His weak arguments basically defeat themselves. There’s no challenge or intellectual stimulation. This is how Barnes must have felt fighting that chump Larusso.
shareThat post was the very definition of sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalallalala!
shareYou just proved my point. The KKIII board was once a place for serious discussion. You have lowered the bar.
shareIt was lowered by your ignorance coupled with your arrogance.
The thing is, besides your imaginary friend, nobody on the boards agrees with you.
You are living in a dream world, ignoring reality like Miyagi after he misplaced his Bonzai trees.
shareI'm living in a dream world. Wasn't it you who started the thread about Daniels win solved nothing with this?
Silver, Kreese and Barnes would only become more incensed and would dedicate even more of their time, energy and resources toward destroying him.
Now we all know that this ^^^^ didn't happen. Yet you persist with your fantasy aided and abetted by your sock account cruisin109.
The movie ends with Daniel celebrating his victory and it’s meant to be a happy ending. There’s nothing stopping Silver, Kreese and Barnes from continuing to terrorize him. By winning the tournament, he’s only aggravated them further.
shareYou are right there is nothing stopping them....but it never happened did it.
shareBased on everything that’s transpired, we can safely conclude that Silver, Kreese and Barnes would regroup to take things a step further. Look at their anger during the closing moments. Daniel was in a worse position than ever before.
shareYet nothing transpired did it? We know this because of Cobra Kai
shareHow did Barnes know Daniel had been to the police? You can’t answer that.
shareSilver was following Daniel or having him followed.
BOOM!
That's one of the things he was paying Snake for.
shareHardly seems credible.
shareSeems entirely credible. You just don't like it because it goes against your own (weak) theory.
shareBarnes knew that Whinielle had gone to the cops.
We believe that Jessica informed Barnes of this... this is sound logical reasoning flowing from of a litany of evidence connecting Jessica to Silver.
We can presume that Whinielle told Jessica about the incident and calling the cops, you have no evidence that Silver found out through other means.
Please produce your theory as to who else (specifically) could have informed him if not Jessica.
And PS Wears stop wasting everyone's time with your abject buffoonery.
I'm going to guess you'll say it's unreasonable to assume that Barnes could have found out Daniel had gone to the police when the police questioned Barnes about the robbery.
shareOf course he's going to say that.
shareHow could the police have questioned Barnes? How would they have known where to find him? Daniel didn’t even know his last name, let alone that he lived in Terry Silver’s mansion.
shareHow could Terry silver know Daniels every move?
Oh that's right. He's a billionaire who was devoting 100% of his time to him
I think you’re mistaken Wears. We’ve proven you wrong. There’s no shame in admitting defeat and moving on. Holding on to your side of the argument is just wasting everyone’s time.
shareThere is no we and no you haven't. Nobody agrees with your skewed thinking.
Time for you to give up the ghost.
You haven’t been able to answer simple questions. How did Mike know Daniel had been to the police?
I did answer. But hey, let's do it again for your sake eh?
Terry Silver was devoting all his time to , as he put it, those two jerks. He was keeping tabs on their every move. The man was a billionaire so obviously had the resources to do so.
Now you haven't been able to answer the simplest of questions have you? If Jessica was part of Silvers plan to destroy Daniel and Miyagi, how come there is no reveal of her involvement?
He reveals that he's been manipulating Daniel all along.
He reveals that he's been behind Barnes all along.
He reveals that Kreese is still alive.
But no reveal on Jessica, why? Because you are wrong that's why!
You can believe whatever bullshit you want...doesn't make it so. You can assume whatever you want...doesn't make it so.
You come up with a theory that (a) you can't prove, (b) isn't logical given what we see at the tournament, yet somehow the burden of proof otherwise is on me?
Doesn't surprise me though seeing as you have form for this type of behaviour.
PS. Stop pretending you are two posters. There is no WE, only YOU!
It's a theory nothing more, the film doesn't make you think this at all.
In my opinion.
And everyone else with half a brain thinks the same thing.
shareYep.
It's strange how there's a lot of discussion/arguments about this film.
There is a lot of discussion, but a good chunk of it has nothing to do with the film, just a bunch of made up fantasies.
shareYour right, most of what I read is nonsense.
shareYou two have not studied the film closely enough. Every scene Jessica appears in offers hints that she is operating undercover. Jessica being Cobra Kai/Dynatox is widely accepted as fact by the mainstream critical community.
shareYou and your alter-ego do not qualify as the mainstream. If anything you are the un silent minority.
shareAs you can see from the response.
shareWould encourage you to rewatch the film with a closer eye. If you find yourself on the same side of an argument as Wearsalan, you need to reassess your life.
shareCome on dude, you don't really believe the rubbish you talk do you lol.
Rewatch Jessica’s scenes and look out for the signs. It’s transparent.
shareTransparent just like the Emperor's new clothes. Because there's nothing there.
shareWhy would a female voluntarily spend time with Daniel?
Why does her “aunt” never materialize?
Was it a coincidence that she had leftover macaroni and cheese?
How did Mike Barnes know Daniel had been to the police?
How do Barnes, Snake and Dennis always know where they are?
How did Silver know when they were jogging?
Why would a female voluntarily spend time with Daniel?
Dunno, but it happens throughout the movie series and he has a hot wife in the Cobra Kai series
Why does her “aunt” never materialize?
She's not scripted to.
Was it a coincidence that she had leftover macaroni and cheese?
Apparently, but more likely the script called for it.
How did Mike Barnes know Daniel had been to the police?
Silver has connections.
How do Barnes, Snake and Dennis always know where they were?
Silver is having Daniel followed or is following him himself.
How did Silver know when they were jogging?
See above answer.
Remember he (Silver) was devoting 100% of his time to those two jerks.
These suggestions do not seem collectively plausible. It’s more likely there was a single driving force.
shareYes. The script writer was the driving force. Didn't you get that?
shareI can’t walk you through this any further. You continue to live your life in a state of denial. God have mercy on your soul. Roll on one.
shareWanker!
shareJust admit your loss and move on.
shareAs I said in a reply to another of your posts, I feel really sorry for you FrogClarke. You must be really lonely. It would be cruel of me to continue to deliver beatdown after beatdown upon you. You live under the mantra of No Mercy, but despite that I shall show you some. You are free to go. Goodbye. Leave this board and enjoy your life in peace.
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