Why Temple of Doom is the best film


When people talk about these movies it’s generally regarded that one and three are good and two and four are bad. While one and three are great and four certainly sucks, two or Temple of Doom is actually the best. Here’s why:


Now that we can look back and watch the entire saga, until they make a fifth which I hope will be better than the last, it’s pretty apparent that they just made the same movie three times. Think about it, Raiders, Crusade and Skulls all follow the same formula. Indy starts out in some remote spot, Amazon, Utah, Area 51, mini adventure breaks out and so on. Then Indy is back home, teaching his class, talks to Marcus Brody or Marcus Brody stand in Jim Broadbent. Some people show up, be they government agents, Julian Glover or Shia LaBeouf, they talk about the latest macguffin. Indy hoops around the globe, some action set pieces and finally the bad guys are destroyed by said macguffin for not understanding its power. Indy makes some comment about hubris, roll credits.
Not to say that, that is necessarily a bad thing. Raiders was the template. Last Crusade maybe copied it a little to much, but they did add new elements. Like Indy’s backstory, the father son relationship, having the girlfriend being a villain and all the challenges involved with getting the grail. So it did feel like its own thing. Crystal Skull was also very similar to the other two, the only thing that made it different was that it sucked.
My point is when you look at all four films in a row, Temple of Doom is the def the most unique one.
No scenes at Indy’s school or even in America. It doesn’t start out in some remote location but in a night club with Indy in a white tux. No one comes to his house to tell him about his next adventure, this one he literally falls into.
Nor is it some enemy government, like the Nazi’s or Commies. It’s the Thuggee, something more supernatural and underground even if it is a bit more obscure in historical terms. And unlike the Nazi’s or Commies, where we only hear about their evil or know about it from history, here we actually get to see how evil the Thuggee are. When Indy shows up in that small village, and sees it wasting away. Or when that malnourished kid shows up just to die in Indy’s arms. That’s *beep* up. Or that sacrificing scene. Jesus. As a kid that scared the *beep* out of me and I doubt I’m the only one. In fact that’s what I’m most impressed by, how dark Steven and George were willing to go.
So much of their later work, was hurt by them trying to make everything so Goddamn kid friendly.
Hook, Phantom Menace, replacing the guns with walky-talkies and so on.
But here they really took a risk.
Just when Indy and the gang first show to the temple. The skulls, the lava, the chanting. And when Mola Ram first appears and starts ripping out hearts. Yeah this movie should not have been PG.


And come on, starting the movie with a big over the top musical number, that’s just so odd and so unexpected. But that’s what makes it great.
And as for Kate Capshaw, I know a lot of people hate her but I don’t. Sure she carries on a lot but come on, most people regardless of gender, would probably freak out in most of these situations. I’m a guy and if I was in that metal cage about to be dumped into a volcano, I’d be screaming. But more than that, look at Karen in Crystal Skulls. She spends the whole movie grinning and smiling like an idiot. Remember when she drives off the mountain, when they hit the water she’s giggling and laughing and it looks really stupid. Not very tense. Now compare that to Capshaws performance. She’s scared, so were scared with her. Think about that scene with her in the cage, where she keeps saying “Oh God, this can’t be happening.” She keeps talking to Indy, trying to get him back. That scene is so tense. Much more tense than virtually anything in Crystal Skull. That’s what makes it so effective.
And come on the climax.
That scene on the rope bridge is the best climax of the whole series. One of the best climaxes ever. When everyone finally realizes what Indy is gonna do, Capshaw has that great line “Oh MY God!” And Short Round. “Hold on lady we going for a ride.” Terrific.


Also I know some people complain its racist but it’s not. It’s not against Indians, the people Indy saves area all Indians. Plus he’s fighting the Thuggee, not the Indian government. And the Thuggee really did exist and they really did kill a lot of people, so why portraying them as villains is wrong, I don’t know.
Also when I was in college I showed this movie to my two roommates. They were from Sri Lanka and they both liked it. So that proves it not racist.

But more than anything else, this film is just so different from Raiders. Other than the character Indy and the basic idea of an archeologist being on an adventure, it has nothing in common with the first movie. And come on, when so many sequels are just rehashes of things we’ve already seen (Force Awakens being a good example) how can you not like sequel that took so many chances.


Anyway I think I have definitely proven that Temple of Doom is the best.

You can all readjust your rankings accordingly.

And since Last Crusade and Crystal Skull were both re-treads of Raiders, maybe Indy 5 could be like Temple of Doom. That would be cool. We could see Short Round again. Maybe bring back Lao Che. The last film had Indy go up against sci fi stuff and that clearly didn’t work, it would be nice to see Indy going up against black magic and voodoo again.
Where he belongs.


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And come on, starting the movie with a big over the top musical number, that’s just so odd and so unexpected. But that’s what makes it great.

Disagree 100%. I always hated the opening song-number. People praise the choreography, and I have only praise for that myself - but it's not what people come to see an Indy-film for. Just like Paint Your Wagon: irrespective of the quality of the songs, it is not what people expect or want from a Clint Eastwood Western.

The problem with Temple of Doom is precisely that it is too different. It tries to be different, and it succeeds at that - but that doesn't make it better. Quite the contrary: most new ideas in this world are rubbish, which is why they aren't followed up. Like the camera-work of The Boston Strangler, for example, never before seen, and rather interesting actually, but never repeated in any other movie ever again. There is a reason why they returned to the formula with Crusade; it's what works. There were still plenty of new stuff in Crusade to make it unique.

In music, fugues follow a seemingly rigid formula, but that does not mean that all fugues are the same. The fugue at the end of Bach's Capriccio On The Departure Of A Beloved Brother is not remotely similar to any of the fugues in his Art of Fugue, for example - except that the formula is very much the same.

As for your comparison of Marion in Kingdom and Willie in Temple, apples and oranges. You take one single scene out of Kingdom, where you complain about her giggling instead of being frightened (after the tension has been resolved anyway - you're not supposed to be tense at that moment) with Willie being frightened during her ordeal. What about after the danger is over, and Willie slaps Indy? She's not frightened anymore there, so it is a very odd comparison that you're trying to pull.

Also, Willie was also frightened in the jungle while Indy and Shorty were playing cards - that was not meant to be scary for the audience, that was meant to be funny. Willie screaming all the time is one of the reasons for Temple's low ranking next to the other films. Short Round being another. In short, what makes Temple a worse film is precisely the "new" things, and there's a reason they were not reprised. And good riddance.

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Are you saying that Kingdom is better than Temple? Okay for Raiders or Crusade, I respectfully disagree. But Kingdom?? No way, Temple is definitely better.

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No, I was not saying that Kingdom was better than Temple. Personally, I think Kingdom is by far the worst of the four, no contest, but having grown up with the Indy films I may be unduly biased. But the criticisms of the OP was still off the mark.

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Totally agree. Crusade was a huge success and did so by returning to the Raiders formula, as you correctly pointed out in your older post.

Temple is a fine film an would be more highly regarded perhaps if it was a stand alone film, but other than the die hard Temple fanatics, most people put it squarely behind Raiders and Crusade, which I also do.

I saw Kingdom exactly once and will NEVER sit through it again, but I watch all of the first three when they're on TV.



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I rate it 9/10.

Your joke that is not Doom which would be a generous 3/10.

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I liked Temple of Doom. The first three Indy films are good IMHO.

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I like all four

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I never really saw what other people seem to see in these 'Indy' movies (although the first one was originally just called 'Raiders of the Lost Ark', if I remember correctly), so my opinion isn't going to weigh a lot here, but since I have nothing else to do right now, I'll summarize my viewpoint about these films.

The Last Crusade is my choice for number one, as it's solid, it has nice humor, Sean Connery, and lots of interesting mystery and funny scenes, but also atmospheric structures, interesting places, and it keeps going forward at a good pace, with completely different scene always following a previous scene. And I don't mind the Mickey Mouse joke at all, I don't know why anyone would - such a small, insignifigant detail, whose only purpose is to just show that Jones is a bad actor, and should stick to fists. This movie has a little bit too much mindless action, but it has an interesting ending scenes, that study religion, philosophy, greed, power, magic, morals, ethics, choices, and so on.

Raiders of the Lost Ark is all right, but it has been parodied so much, it's hard to take seriously. I never liked it as a kid, and now that I watch it, I realize it's a bit 'obsolete' storytelling, scenes that go on for too long, ridiculous villains (the main 'bad guy nazi' couldn't be more silly or more generic, I am surprised they didn't give him a moustache to twirl - at least in The Last Crusade, the villains have actual personalities and motivations beyond 'he's the bad guy', and they even dare show a whamen be pure evil! They also show how easily stupid men fall for charms of a pretty female face, and how women manipulate these simps while laughing internally), and so on.

This movie is not completely bad, but I think the problem is that it follows those old serials a bit TOO faithfully, limiting itself and what it can do, instead of more fully expressing character's otherwise myriad possibilities, and exploring his character more deeply.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark is very straightforward, predictable copy (or amalgamation) of old TV serials, and as such, doesn't really rise above or beyond the expected. Even the powerful 'Ark of the Covenant' (which, to my knowledge, was actually wisely destroyed/removed, because such power does not belong to materialistic, greedy, primitive ape-people that the wise people of the time foresaw taking over this planet).

We never see what the Ark of Covenant could do in good hands - just one burst of some weird ghosts killing a bunch of názis, and the movie ends. What the heck kind of an ending is that? If we're chasing something the whole movie, at least show at the end something wonderful, so our efforts were not in vain.

The whole 'top men', and Indy just ACCEPTING that as any kind of answer, is just preposterous and lackluster - what a letdown!

The story isn't particularly interesting anyway, so what you are left with are some action scenes and a little bit of exploration (which is the best bit of the movie). It's not a very fulfilling or rewarding movie whatsoever. It establishes the character and does lots of stuff, and then just ends, without going anywhere signifigant with it. It's not even all that entertaining in the end.

So I would just call this a 'boring movie' that doesn't really deliver, unless you're really into old TV serials of this kind.

Temple of Doom is just satanic, masonic horror with some smart-ass kid and horrible nag-hag - everything about this one is as repulsive as can be, why would anyone even watch this once, let alone say something good about it, when it's so evil and bad in all possible respects?

Well, it has a lot of cringe in it, if that's something. But I don't think I will ever watch this torture again - yes, it's torture in movie form, that I couldn't ever recommend to anyone in any way or level for any reason whatsoever. Pure poisonous vomit that you are forced to drink. Yuck. One of the most disgusting movies I know.

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The less said about the ridiculous, non-atmospheric movie that killed the indy character as what it originally was, and also what it was supposed to be (watch the Plinkett review for details), while pandering to SJW people and the 'movie romance marriage' crap that women are so into, the better.

So, we can disregard second and fourth movies, and we're left with one relatively boring, too faithful to serials-movie, and one 'pretty good movie with lots of 'everything' in it'.

It's not a masterpiece as a movie, but at least it seems more signifigant than the first movie - this movie actually GOES somewhere and leaves you thinking about 'eternal life', 'greed', 'consquences', perhaps even Karma and so on. This movie at least provokes imagination and since Lucasfilm Games also created a nice (but flawed) adventure game, it lets you compare how a game can follow a movie's plot and yet still have a personality of its own.

It's easy to compare the musics, the scenes, the atmosphere, even 'storytelling' between the game and the movie, and this makes the movie even more interesting and offers more enjoyment possibilities. It stops being just a movie, but it's a movie where you can find similarities and differences between a game you have just completed.

It also shows how the story could've been told a bit differently, and how games are a very different platform than movies. The church scene, for example - in a game, Indy has to search from many, MANY different rooms with different symbols, and compare to the symbols in the window and the roman numbers in the pillars, until he finds the correct room! Otherwise, destroying the X in the floor means nothing.

Also, it's not even an X in the floor, but there are many numerals, and you have to find the correct one. Way more interesting than how the movie did it, but also more tedious, and would have slowed down the storytelling in the movie, if done this way, etc.

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So it adds an interesting extra dimension, and makes the moviewatching experience more ACTIVE. Instad of just passively 'taking it all in', your brain is going to be very busy and more deeply interested in everything that happens, even the visuals. Donovan's room looks -so- different between the game and the movie (and even in the game's different versions), but also still somehow recognizable. You instantly recognize the room in the game after having seen the movie (or vice versa), but yet both rooms have their own, completely distinct personalities.

I could go on, but I think I made my point. I am sure 99.99% if not 100% people disagree with me, but I won't lie just to please people, this is what I think, you can take it or leave it.

As I said, I don't really care about the Indy stuff that much anyway - to me, space exploration is more interesting than running around on one planet back and forth to gain some object or power and then the názis die.

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(although the first one was originally just called 'Raiders of the Lost Ark', if I remember correctly),
isnt that what it its called now?

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"Temple of Doom" is probably the absolute worst of the Indiana Jones franchise, and to be honest, it should never have been made. It sticks out like a sore thumb from the other two films (which were both masterpieces) and not only annoying, but horrendously disgusting on a lot of levels. I don't know what movie you were watching, but it can't have been the same one where:

1.) Indy dances between being a hero and a bumbling fool.

2.) He has an extremely annoying, totally unnecessary Asian kid for a sidekick.

3.) He's dating the world's absolute worst love interest. Honestly, I don't know why he put up with her. She was a spoiled, bratty bimbo, and more trouble than she was worth. He deserved better than her. And she had a really stupid name too. Who the hell names their daughter "Willie?"

4.) India is painted in the most hideous light possible. I've heard of Indian culture doing a lot of things, but this movie blew all its worst aspects out of proportion, including using a form of torture and sacrifice better suited for Aztecs (the heart-ripping).

5.) The stunts were absolutely ridiculous, the worst one being where he used a life raft to jump out of an airplane (with a screaming Willie), and the raft doesn't tip over a dump them out, like it would have in real life. (The Mythbusters busted that myth very early in their series).

I honestly don't even consider it to be part of the franchise and often try to forget that shitty B-rated film ever existed.

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i dunno , re 5)
the bit where the mine cart rollercoaster leaves the track and then lands on it again seemed much more unlikely to me.
but then that whole sequence was recycled and totally piss taken with the jeep dancing jungle fencing scene in the last movie

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I agree with all you said, Americans Girl. I never liked Temple of Doom as a kid and I still don't. As you say the love interest is annoying and I do agree naming your daughter Willie is pretty stupid. It's not even a girl's name as you say. And the kid from the Goonies is not very good either. I also don't care for the action scenes in Temple. The action scenes in the other 2 movies were superior. I'm also a bit prejudice against Temple of Doom cause it won Best Special Effects at the Oscars over Ghostbusters which is not only a better movie but to me has more memorable effects. That mine cart scene looked fake and frankly the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man scenes look more real to me than most of the effects in this. Not to mention the big explosion after the Ghostbusters cross the streams at the end looks more cool than anything in Temple of Doom.

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Now that you mention it, the mine cart scene was pretty fake-looking, particularly if you watch the behind-the-scenes, and watch them working on the miniatures for parts of it. And seriously? This film won an Oscar for special-effects over Ghostbusters?! Talk about criminal! I would have to agree, "Ghostbuster's" special-effects (well, the big stuff) was better than what "Temple of Doom" had to offer. I'm guessing Spielberg had some friends in the Academy that helped boost his chances at the awards.

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When I was a kid the temple of doom was my favorite one. I liked how dark it was willing to go and the screaming lady companion was there to be a comical relief and if I as a child knew that then I'm sure some adults could figure that one out as well. The only weak part of the movie for me is the ending in the mines where they have some kind of a rollercoaster ride and maybe Indy acting possessed, that is kind of cringy imo. The setup is the best for me, from the opening where Indy is in a James Bond kind of situation to the airplane crash to the mysterious village that needs Indy help to the bad guy mansion where Indy ends up in an exotic situation to the cult reveal all that I find a great movie setup with non stop fun action, maybe the climax is kind of too kid friendly but still much better than crystal skull which was a cgi project with not much passion put in to. Also for some reason I like the annoying female companions better than the badass female companions.

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"Temple of Doom" as I always called it was my favorite as a kid and still is today. It always gave me the greatest sense of darkness (balanced with humor) & wonder between the films. I was very surprised to find it had a lukewarm reputation and was generally regarded as the "worst" Indiana Jones film. I loved it. I like the completely new tone and direction the film took, with ancient Indian mysticism & death cults in place of Jeudeo Christian mythology & Nazis. Even though I enjoyed Last Crusade, it is definitely my least favorite for being the least inspired, repeating the formula of Raiders almost beat for beat. They were so similar that as a kid I would often find myself getting large segments of the films mixed up between each other.

I also had no problem with Willie as her terrified "out of her element" comic relief attitude made sense.

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Temple of Doom has always been my favourite. And, with what you've wrote, I even a better idea why lol. Thank you.

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Eh I wouldn't put Temple of Doom ahead of Raiders (but that's a very high bar to clear), but it's certainly better than Last Crusade and Crystal Skull

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