Henry...Did he have good judgment?
..in going to war? Was he on good ground when he enmeshed the French in his war against them? Perhaps he should've stayed home by the castle fire?
share..in going to war? Was he on good ground when he enmeshed the French in his war against them? Perhaps he should've stayed home by the castle fire?
shareI don't think that going to war was necessarily a sound decision, and obviously it was, for the most part, a power grab. However, that isn't what's important. What's important was that Henry proved himself to be a great leader, and a great king-- possibly the greatest that England ever had. He was willing to fight alongside his men and risk his own life, like the great warrior kings of the ancient world. He was a leader who took upon himself the same danger that he put his men through, and if that was the standard we held all of our leaders to, few would hold up to Henry. He may not have made a wise choice in going to war, but when he was in the war, he proved his best qualities. He was loyal to his men, and as a result his men were loyal to him.
shareHe was really loyal to his men. Along with his men being loyal to him. You are right Tim. As Henry was with them. Not at home just trying to hear news on the battlefront. But was right there with his men. A great leader, a great king, and a great human being.
shareWell you know thjat's the great thing with Shakespeare. He shows you one side but he also wants you to pay attention to the other. In Henry V, these's alot of "duality" in the play especially in Henry's character. Perhaps all well and good as a great leader of men but perhaps he was also pretty "Machiavellian" in his motivations and behavior towards the French. Alot of his fellow countrymen got killed because of his incessant personal goal to consolidate power. And he asked much of the Church to agree with what he was doing against the French. With all that, Henry sure was lucky at Agincourt getting out of a mess that was caused by him alone.
shareYes, of course it was sound judgement. He got the war practically for free, the church footing most of the bill. OK, it was a bit of a gamble, but he was gambling with the church's money mostly and fighting on foreign soil, so he wasn't risking much. He doubled his/his house's power - he inherited one kingdom, but passed two kingdoms on to his son.
You can't argue with success.
Had he lived, it may have been - it was a daring stroke to remove France as a potential enemy by invading at its weakest, with the French royal family dealing with mental illness (symbolised by the tennis balls perhaps?). Agincourt was so successful, play-Henry as well as real-Henry was probably unprepared to rule quite so many lands. His sudden death exposed this, leaving England without a mature heir and no infrastructure to control a much larger kingdom (which is explored in Henry VI).
shareAnd he asked much of the Church to agree with what he was doing against the French.
A great human being? His actions at Rouen and behaviour towards prisoners at Agincourt suggest otherwise.
sharehmm..wasn't what he did technically against the laws of chivalry?
shareProbably but he had no choice. Release them and he'd be fighting them again in a few days. Not enough men to keep them prisoner or supplies to feed them.
In war, victory is the only standard that matters. if Japan had been on the winning side, today's Japanese school textbooks would be extolling the wisdom and audacity of the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. Instead, Japan lost the ensuing war, and today's Japanese textbooks are almost completely mute on the Pearl Harbor attack. Henry might have violated the law of chivalry, but he won his war, and that is what is remembered.
"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae
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From what I've been taught and come to understand, the "laws of chivalry" are mostly a Hollywood invention. While there was a code of conduct, it's not like it's something that many followed, and you weren't punished for not doing so.
It probably shortened his life. Henry died at 35 from dysentery.
shareAs a warrior Henry had good judgement but as a king ... I'm not so sure. It seemed to me that he betrayed some of his country men and himself, to an extent, in order to win the battle.
Movement ends, intent continues;share
Intent ends, spirit continues
..in going to war? Was he on good ground when he enmeshed the French in his war against them?