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One of the most racist movies ever


I used to watch it as a kid and a lot of stuff was over my head (not the overt stuff, mind you - KKK! Really?).

But, damn! This movie seems like it wants to get to the point at the end where it says "See this isn't ignorant; we fooled you!" But it never gets there. Turning Calculus into an FBI Agent in the final scene and getting rid of his "yessum massa" accent doesn't mean you can erase the first 105 minutes of complete ignorant garbage.

I admit, if some of the jokes or material was funnier, perhaps the glaring racism wouldn't be as noticeable or distracting.

But that's not the case.

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I think you missed the point of the KKK scene, which was ridiculing the KKK. Similar to the scene in "Django Unchained" or something like that. Simply showing people wearing hoods isn't racist within itself, especially if you're making fun of them. In fact, ridiculing them and stripping away their mystique is what brought down the KKK from a national power to an unorganized bunch of rednecks. Read on Stetson Kennedy and Superman vs the KKK. Showing the Klan as a bumbling bunch of idiots who can't even light a cross is a fitting show of their stupidity. If they had glorified the Klan instead of ridiculing them then I would find it racist.

I thought Cleavon's performance was a little over the top, but I think that was just to set up the "twist". Though I'm not sure how big of a twist it was supposed to be, as Calculus broke character several times and showed he might be more than he seemed, and Fletch commented on that in the narration. To be honest, it's really no worse than a lot of the stuff in Blazing Saddles ("Oh, lo'dy, lo'd, he's desp'it! Do what he sayyyy, do what he sayyyy!" and where Cleavon himself dons the old sheet/hood disguise), but just like in Blazing Saddles, Cleavon's character is a smart black man playing the dumb black guy stereotype to keep dumb white people off guard.

If anything, it's racist against white people. Though I take no offense as it's all in good fun. In the end it turns out Calculus was really an intelligent FBI agent who was playing off Southern stereotypes as a cover, but what's the excuse for all the white people? The people fawning over Jimmy Lee and his "miracles", the guy who molested a dead horse, the coon hunt where some of the guys couldn't be "left alone with the dogs", the guy with the unhealthy relationship with his dead mother, the stereotypical redneck cops, etc? It paints the entire South, mainly the white people, in an unfavorable light. As somebody who has spent my entire life in the South (minus a 5 year stint in Iowa for schooling) I can tell you most of it's over-the-top stereotypes. But I don't take offense, and some of them have some basis in truth so I can laugh at them. It's a comedy movie after all. It's all just meant to give Fletch a good fish-out-of-water backdrop, which works nicely at times, not so well at other times.

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If anything the movie plays up stereotypes of white southerners as backwards, racist, dim-witted, gullible, religious, greedy, crooked, gun-happy, vicious, evil. It mines just about every cliche about the South for its comedy, so perhaps it's not surprising the movie comes across to you as racist. Fletch's dream on the plane of being a plantation owner just reveals his naive fantasy about the South (from Disney's Song of the South). The characters are over the top because it's Fletch, meaning it's broad comedy and not meant to be taken too seriously. If it comes across as racist it was probably unintentional, and has more to do with the setting and trying to make the characters funny.

That said, I think the first "Fletch" movie was much funnier and a better movie overall. But Fletch Lives is better than having no other Fletch movies at all!

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The movie stereotypes white southerners (although not all of the white southern characters are negative stereotypes -- Becky Culpepper and Amanda Ray Ross aren't, and neither was Ham Johnson, despite being a villain), but that doesn't make it racism. "Racism" means assigning negative characteristics to an identifiable group of people based on their race. Being a white southerner isn't a race -- they're white, just like Fletch, and the director of the movie.

One could argue that the stereotypes used in the movie are hurtful, but they're not racist. Cultural snobbery, perhaps.

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These days this movie would offend easily because that's how low our society is. If you think this movie is racist, you should try Blazing Sadlles. That should offend you good. It's one of the funniest movies ever.

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over sensitive people like you make racism looks so damn cool.

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One of the most racist movies ever


I really hope you aren't white, because nothing sets me off more than white folk who're so chock full of self loathing white guilt that they find racism where it doesn't exist. Let us decide what's racist and whether we should be offended.

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if anything, this movie is anti-racist (ala chevon little in blazing saddles), anti-evangelist, and anti-southern stereotypes. Maybe anti is too strong, it just ridicules them. Chase is at his best in the Fletch movies and don't know why more weren't done.

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Why would white people be full of guilt? We didn't do anything to you or anyone you have ever met. Unless I am not understanding your meaning.
Either way I do agree that people in general need to lighten up. Everyone is so uptight about everything these days.

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I'm assuming you don't understand Deliverance either. You probably think it's ridiculing southerners or mountain folk. Sometimes points are made overtly, like the movies you like where the message is obvious and you don't have to think. Other times you actually have to think. Good luck trying to understand life.

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Yep, this movie definitely made fun of dumb southern crackers alright.



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Or worse, Spaceballs. No doubt Dark Helmet is some sort of attack on black people.

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