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Something I tried to explain...


My younger sister and I viewed this film together and towards the end, my sister thought the whole love story between Kathleen and Michael was heart breaking. She then asked me...before Michael got really sick (which I think happened within days) why didn't Kathleen make love to him like she had wanted to...she said it would of been a final gift that the two could share together. I tried to tell her the nurses and doctors would never let her in and also the huge chance of Kathleen getting pregnant by Michael before he died, which would lead to disformed children after what happened to Michael. She didn't believe me and thought if Kathleen had a baby it would turn out fine, which would of been a better ending, can someone please explain the risks after what happened to Michael and how it happened in the war to.

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Simple: Michael was dying and it would be pretty sick to make love to a dying man.Also,even though it was futile,they were trying to save his life and a sex break would have interfered with his treatment,especially since the radiation would have destroyed his immune system.

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Also, that much radiation will make a male temporarily sterile. There was no way they could've conceived a kid at that point unless he had some 'stuff' frozen away in his refrigerator beforehand in anticipation of being irradiated.

The guy that John Cusack was modeled after got 200 REM's of radiation. From wikipedia's radiation poisoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning), these are the effects:


1–2 Sv (100–200 REM)

Light radiation poisoning, 10% fatality after 30 days (LD 10/30). Typical symptoms include mild to moderate nausea (50% probability at 2 Sv), with occasional vomiting, beginning 3 to 6 hours after irradiation and lasting for up to one day. This is followed by a 10 to 14 day anastasis, after which light symptoms like general illness, anorexia and fatigue (50% probability at 2 Sv). The immune system is depressed, with convalescence extended and increased risk of infection. Temporary male sterility is common.
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2–3 Sv (200–300 REM)

Severe radiation poisoning, 35% fatality after 30 days (LD 35/30). Nausea is common (100% at 3 Sv), with 50% risk of vomiting at 2.8 Sv. Symptoms onset at 1 to 6 hours after irradiation and last for 1 to 2 days. After that, there is a 7 to 14 day anastasis, after which the following symptoms appear: loss of hair all over the body (50% probability at 3 Sv), fatigue and general illness. There is a massive loss of leukocytes, greatly increasing the risk of infection. Permanent female sterility is possible. Convalescence takes one to several months.

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while those wikipedia numbers on radiation poisoning and its effects are accurate... your number on how much radiation the man received is "slightly" incorrect.

You're missing a 0.

More like 2000 rems, or 20 Sv.

Bit more than 35% fatality.


10–50 Sv (1,000–5,000 REM)
Acute radiation poisoning, 100% fatality after 7 days (LD 100/7). An exposure this high leads to spontaneous symptoms after 5 to 30 minutes. After powerful fatigue and immediate nausea caused by direct activation of chemical receptors in the brain by the irradiation, there is a period of several days of comparative well-being, called the latent (or "walking ghost") phase. After that, cell death in the gastric and intestinal tissue, causing massive diarrhea, intestinal bleeding and loss of water, leads to water-electrolyte imbalance. Death sets in with delirium and coma due to breakdown of circulation. Death is currently inevitable; the only treatment that can be offered is pain therapy.

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She could have given the poor lad a hand shandy.

"Halt mich fest ich werd verrückt"

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The film depiction had Merriman holding part of the sphere above the other half of the sphere with a screwdriver through an assembly of silvery metallic bricks, then raising & lowering the upper hemisphere to induce criticality of the mass. In the actual incident, Louis Slotin, a physicist working at Los Alamos, did pretty much what was depicted in the film but with no silvery bricks. I've not seen anything that explains what caused Slotin to lose control of the screwdriver, but this method was inherently precarious to say the least. The film suggests that Merriman was distracted by a falling coffee cup, but that may be speculation or artistic license by the filmmakers. In the end, the only answer to the question of the actual Slotin incident might have been "It slipped."

This immediately induced criticality with the resulting blue glow that was depicted in the film. The blue glow is the air around the nuclear mass ionizing into a plasma state. Considerable heat is generated as well, but the real damage was done by the tremendous burst of invisible radiation produced by the fission reaction taking place right in front of his eyes a couple of feet away! Slotin received full body radiation exposure, absorbing enormous quantities of radiation in those few seconds and he was a rendered a walking dead man. The film hints at the medical problems he experienced, but it was truly horrible what happened to Slotin (and to Daghlian earlier). Slotin lived for 9 days after the incident, Daghlian nearly a month.

After the incident there was considerable criticism of the whole procedure that Slotin used. The thing with the screwdriver and the absence of spacers in his assembly might be considered unconscionable, and in fact Slotin's laxness on safety was a major contributor to the incident, led to his death and quite likely the later death of others who were in the room at the time of the accident.

The Slotin incident took place AFTER the end of the war, in 1946, though it was depicted in the film as having occurred in August 1945, before Fat Man & Little Boy, actually using the dates associated with the fatal criticality experiment that killed Harry Daghlian, a physicist who had also been conducting criticality experiments before & after Trinity. In fact, Daghlian's accident occurred with the same plutonium core sphere that Slotin was working with in 1946. It became known as the 'Demon core' and later was used to fuel a nuclear bomb detonated at Bikini Atoll in the South Pacific on July 1, 1946. Harry Daghlian was the first to die from radiation exposure associated with the Manhattan Project.

By the way, these were called 'criticality experiments', with the term criticality referring to a nuclear mass going 'critical', or having nuclear fission begin to take place.

This was not the only such incident; a few other criticality experiments had similar accidents though not always involving human injuries, and there was another well known accident with radioactive fluids that caused a couple of horrible deaths.

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You and your sister sound like real morons. First off, back during this particular time, two people did not just "do it". They actually dated, got to know each other and then maybe got married. And THEN they did it. That's more the reason why they did not make love. Second, even though you say that your sister asked why they didn't do it before he got sick, your answer to her was with reference AFTER he got sick. And another thing, he really wasn't "sick" - he was a victim of radiation. A hell of a lot worse than just getting sick. But more importantly, the poor man was dying!!! Do you actually think he was thinking about his missed opportunity with the nurse? Come on. I don't know about you, but if I was just shot with a ton of radiation, and my vital organs were enlarging and my brain was about to explode, I think the last thing I would be thinking of would be getting it on with a guy. Oh, and if by any stretch of the imagination he was able to procreate with her, the baby most likely would be severely deformed (not disformed). Just how old is your sister? Because if she's a child she would not understand the subject matter of this movie and the actual social and moral implications of the subject. Kind of heavy stuff for a young girl. Maybe for you too. By the way, the character of Michael was not based on a real person - but the accident did happen in real life to two men (Harry Daghlian and Louis Slotin). But Michael was a just a made up character. You know, this was not a love story. It was about the making of the atomic bomb.

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