pacing, editing and script


It was only Bcoz of recent posts that I thought I'd add my tuppence-worth.

Which is that this is a fine piece of understated cinema. In the same way the Dog Day Afternoon or even something like The Limey is; inasmuch as it allows the story to unwind at its own pace. It's not lazy, it's 'relaxed'. I dunno, heck, now I'm struggling to find the words! What I mean is, it's paced perfectly, there's no pushy narrative or exhausting editing, it's a joy to watch in the same way that a real 'story' like the Godfather is enjoyable to watch.

But what I adore about this film is the ability of the director to use three central characters to tell one person's story. Poor old Jack. He reminds me of....me! I loved the way Jackn manipulates all those around him fir his own personal gain, be it financial, phydical or spiritual.

Kloves is so underrated and I'm chuffed to see he's adapting 'The Story of the Dog' for the big screen. He never steers us in any one direction here and even the end of the film is left for the viewer to draw their own conclusions.

A brilliant piece of film-making. I'm gonna watch this again and again (again!)

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me , too gonna watch it again .

went on my list of one of the best movies I have seen this year.

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Just saw this moive for the first time last night. It was fantastic!! What great pace, what brilliant acting. Kicking myself that I hadn't seen it before now!!
Love it Love it Love it

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Exactly! You hit it right on the head, it wasn't "forced" like so many movies are today. Perfect pace, edited just right, not too long....excellent script. So funny!

"Stay young at heart and you'll never grow hard"....E.W.F.

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I could watch FBB hundreds of times, and never get tired of it. Like all great flicks, it has the right combo of crisp dialogue, good storytelling, strongly developed characters, and one of my requirements...superb music. It is film noir without the violence and plot twists (ok, that's what noir mostly is!). The dialogue, particularly between Suzie and Jack, is straight out of a Bogey and Becall classic.

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No matter what other film Kloves ever does, "The Fabulous Baker Boys" will be his masterpiece. I like to think of this as the last good American "noir" film that takes itself seriously. A lot of my friends shout "Sin City" when I mention film noir, but really, that movie is comic book noir and is for kids. You have to be an adult to appreciate the pathos of this movie. Watching this movie is like watching a fire build slowly up to its brightest point and then slowly down again to embers. This is no popcorn movie, this movie is like a good book, you have to sit down and just watch it with no interruption.

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Do you even know what film noir is? Because 'The Fabulous Baker Boys' isn't noir.

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Film noir = Dark Film. If you can't see the noir inspirations in this movie, then it's you who doesn't know what film noir is. Or do you think that the term only should apply to black-and-white crime drama?

"Son-of-a-bitch must pay!!"

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If I say it's noir, then it's noir. Bite me.

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I can't understand the rating in imdb.

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I agree, this is, as you put it, "a brilliant piece of film-making". I love the moodiness and sensuality of the scenes. The actors are amazing in the delivery of their dialogues. It is a favorite of mine and the soundtrack by jazz great Dave Grusin adds immensely to the overall feel of this movie. The pace is slow and languid, and I think Michele Pfeiffer is at her best as the band's singer (even all the songs she sings match the moody, sensual pace of the whole movie!) It's a true to life story, in that there are so many people out there "chasing something, some dream" or people "afraid to chase their true dreams" - like Jack and just about people trying to live the best they can within their own limitations. I love that the movie's ending left things open to the imagination, do they really see each other again? I like to think - yes!

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Completely agree. It is moody, sensual and beautifully understated. The atmosphere is very rich and vivid in its smoky, nighttime, barroom feel, which I think is probably where the film noir comparison comes in rather than in having a thriller plot. Jeff and Beau Bridges are both brilliant here as the Baker brothers, and Michelle Pfeiffer is at her absolute, Hollywood-goddess best. How she didn't win the Oscar that year is beyond me.

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I agree. The test of a great movie is how well it stands the test of time. Most movies made in that last eighties/early ninties period are hard to watch today, for they may have been huge hits, but have become so dated. I just watch the movie again and have to say, it truly was worth the honors it received at the time it was released.

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I agree to all (except whoever said that "you have to be an adult" to appreciate it).

This is without a doubt the best film of the 80s (if you don't count Raging Bull).

But I found your (meaning the person who created this thread) take on Jack's character. You said you "loved the way Jack manipulates all those around him for his own personal gain, be it financial, physical or spiritual", but I don't think that about him at all. In fact, I found that he was letting others manipulate HIM for THEIR personal gain and he was tired of being "pushed around" in a sense. Interesting how people can define certain elements of a film completely differently.

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I love the way they portray the brothers relationship, because that is my sister and I.........she's such a nerd like Beau's character, always harping on me too, about smoking, anything she can find..........hell she has even whipped out her comb and tried to comb my hair in public, and yes I have hit her for it.
Although that's not the only reason I like this film, but it is funny.

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I think the pace was appropriate to the world the characters lived, one in which Michelle's sultry performance not only enhanced its mood but allowed it to be reveled. This movie could easily have been a standout during an era in Hollywood where sultriness was far more common. Michelle may be modest about her own talent, but were she among those in that bygone era she would rank favorably with the best merely on the basis of this one performance. However, the strength of her performance did have one drawback in my mind: we often forget the main point of this movie, which is not that it is a love story, where she ends up with (in this case) the bad boy, who nevertheless has a good heart, but as has been pointed out by others, a more realistic story about life's regrets and how they can affect your life. As such, it is intended to be about the life of "fabulous" Baker boys, and not so much about Susie. Despite this, and because of the overall languor infusing the film, we are reminded thoughtfully that even when good things fall to us from heaven, it may reveal a side of us we wouldn't want to know we had, causing us further to regret the life we've led. Do things work out for them in the end? We'd like to think so, and so would they, I'm sure.

James

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About Jack not using others, well, he has a power and he knows it but he doesn't run over people. He's quite the charmer when he wants to be.

Frank knows how to draw the line with Jack and Suzie matches him.
You can see how he's changed though--watch the scene where Monica/Blanche is his waitress. He's going to seduce her, until he sees the photo of Suzie on the wall and then he realizes... wait a minute. In fact not long after that he goes to see Suzie.

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avent seen the movie and dont plan to. but i completely agree w everything u wrote

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Always liked this film but it was years since I last watched it - on tape. Finally got around to watching the DVD that's been sitting in the stack in the corner and very happy to observe it's even better than I remember. I only have one complaint which is why hasn't Steve Kloves made more films.

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I find the pacing quite suitable to the story. THis is an excellent film.

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