Ambiguous ending


Hope I'm not being really stupid here, and I haven't seen this question asked already on the forum...

I found the end of the movie ambiguous...when he says he's paid his debt to the hat, and now he's being transported to the largest Drug Store in town...is this saying that he's going to get back on drugs again? Or is he going to stay off the drugs, and that's why his destination is ironic?

I certainly don't mind an ambigous ending, I just wasn't sure if I'd missed something obvious, and I was curious as to what how other people interpreted the ending.

Love this film!

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bob dies at the end. if you watch, the ambulance turns off the siren and lights shortly after they leave for the hospital. the whole movie is really a flashback leading up to the evening when he gets shot and dies.

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This is how I see it:

So basically the group was addicted to morphine.
In his last words he says: The irony is perfect! The irony consists in that he tried reeeeealy hard to get straight, but at the end everyone (the priest, his wife, the kid dealer, and at the end the police, doctors, etc) united forces to make him go back to morphine: In "the biggest farmacy in town", they will give him morphine to kill his pain from the gunshot.

The way I understand this idea that he "re-paid his debt to the hat" is this: To get into a hospital was his biggest dream ever. So after these sacrifices (the dead girl, him trying to go straight, etc), the hat (which is a kind of symbol of evil) got satisfied and gave him grren light to proceed. Now that the evil forces (hat) were out of the way, he could at last go and find his "holy grail": a hospital.


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Thats how i always thought it ended dima
I never thought he died

"There's no time to lose" I heard her say, Catch your dreams before they slip away.

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those oxymorphones

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Hydromorphone, Oxymorphone, Oxycodone, sooo many names....I found it interesting that they loved Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) the most...I take Dilaudid for pain and have had it IV'd and its pretty intense but Oxy is like a totally different animal...probably wasn't as widespread back then but hey look at the US now...allot of dope fiends...

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But there was nobody in the back of the ambulance with him (at least not that we can see), so how would they know en route if he had died or not?

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But there was nobody in the back of the ambulance with him (at least not that we can see)

Actually, you can see that there is a paramedic in the back of the ambulance with him, just watch the ending again.

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Thanks for the eye opener..I wasn't sure at all if he died in the end as he is narrating, I thought it is something up to the audience to decide on what his fate is in the end..

I think I am pretty convinced he is dead now, thanks again..

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Not really. The last line says 'hope they can keep me alive'.

And it ends on a happy note since he's happy to finally be admitted to a hospital where he's going to get a morphine fix all day and night... as long as he stays alive.

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I never thought he died either, mostly because James Fogle didn't.

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He is dead. Listen to the commentary with Gus Van Sant and Dillan. Van Sant clearly states that he was supposed to die and that they were not ever intending on doing it like a flashback origionaly. They said that they just liked the shot, and so they kept with it in the end. But he dies from the gunshot, his telling the cop at the end about the hat and to warn Nadine, because he was so afraid of the hex that it finally caught him, and that she needed to run like hell, to run faster and farther away then he did. That it was too late for him, and it is ironic because they are sending him back to the biggest of the exact places where he was robbing from. So in essence he thought the hex was putting its final chokehold on him and sending him right back to hell.

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First of all: sorry about my english!!

Just watched it. I think the priest and Bob took some of the dilaudid Bob brought, he just remembered the good old times with Dianne (because of here visit). He missed her, he wants to sleep with her - like she wanted before in the first appartement (the one where the cops broke everything) -- he realized that as a normal man with a job and without drugs he means nothing to Dianne. The Priest sayd something, which made him believe that there is no open bill with the lord anymore (when he dropped the Dilaudid on the Holy Bible)[sorry don't know how to say that].

Thats why his eyes where so empty, in the finale shot.. and again because of the drugs he talks about the *beep* hat on the bad. (oooh, thats a rhyme *G*)

I also think that in the end he ist dead..

Wonderful movie ~8.5 out of 10 -- The Israelites is genious choose for the credits.

Anyway, just my two cents and again sorry about my pretty bad english.

Good n8 and good luck,
marco

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he totally dies at the end.
watch the movie again, come on.

it's ironic because it's the largest drug store in town, and now that he's clean and dying, he has an open ticket there. he does not plan on doing drugs again.

and as far as dianne goes, she loved bob. she didn't get back with him, or sleep with him because he wasn't on drugs anymore. she just knew she couldn't get off of them herself, or didn't want to, and now she was with another guy, rick. and now that she was living out her life with rick, she wanted to be loyal to him. she still loved bob, but she was also still a dope fiend and was with rick now, after her and bob had parted ways.

i believe it all gets summed up when she says, "i was a lot of things bob, but i never was a whore."

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i don't think ne one mentioned on here that in the book the last line is bob hughes was dead on arrival at the hospital... so i can't remember if he was dead in the movie or not but it seemed to me like they made it out to be that he was going to be ok? but it would make more sense if he died cuz that stays true to the book. also in the book dianne doesn't hook up with rick it's some other guy named bill but, rick runs their gang...

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When I saw the end, I thought "wow, they're going to give him some morphine", which could lead to another addiction at the "drug store" And by the way, its hydromorphone, not oxymorphone.

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Whoops, sorry. I wasn't aware that "blues" meant oxymorphone.

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He died, i think ...if i remember correctly Gentry looks down at his note pad, or stops writing because he knows Bob can't offer anymore information to the case.

I had a fish named Sam he lived in a bowl........

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I'd have to agree with that.

"I was still alive. I hope they can keep me alive."

I think Gus Van Sant intentially wanted a somewhat ambiguous ending. The "I hope they can keep me alive" line is there to hint at a possible renewel and that there will be a dawn after the storm.

Bob's been through the bad times. He has other things to do now. He has hope and goals beyond his previous lifestyle.


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I don't think he dies in the movie. If he did then Van Sant didn't make it clear enough. Sure, there's the scene where Bob is telling Gentry all of the things to tell to Diane, but then he says something like "Forget it, I'll tell her myself," meaning that at least he thought he was going to live and is even thinking about the hospital with all of the drugs.

Assuming he did live, I think he went back on drugs, he had paid his debt to the hat and was going to the biggest drug store in town, seems like he had made peace with the hat and was ready to get back to doing drugs.

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I never thought he died either, mostly because James Fogle didn't.
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I'm pretty sure the character Bob was based on a junkie that Fogle knew.

Not Fogle himself

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I thought when he said 'don't worry, I'll tell her myself' that he was being darkly humourous as in 'I'll tell her when I see her in the afterlife'. It's very doubtful that he would return to the hotel. Dunno. But love the movie, man!

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The very last thing we see is him in the ambulance with his eyes open, and then we continue to hear his monologue. I inferred from that that he lives.


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Agreed.

Poorly Lived and Poorly Died, Poorly Buried and No One Cried

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That's what I thought.
He narrates everything, almost like he's reading from a journal.
He can't "narrate" his own death.
I think he lives, but since he paid his debt to the hat (by coming close to death), going back on drugs may be OK in his mind.
"They're taking me to the fattest pharmacy in town."
I'd think that if he died, there would be no such statement.
But, I'll take Van Sant at his word if he meant for Bob to have died.
I have the same problem with Kevin Spacey's "voice-over" after being shot it the head in American Beauty.
No doubt HE was dead.

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Whether he dies or lives to continue druging, ambigous ending annoy the crap out of me!!!





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His last words are "I was still alive. I hope they can keep me alive." I never saw them turn off lights at the end and I just rewatched it.

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correct--i also just rewatched the ending. The siren and lights stayed on all the way. He was conscious all the way. He may have died in the book, but in the movie, he was alive at the end.

Period.

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I never understood who "they" were in his last line "I was still alive. I hope they can keep me alive.". Was he talking about the people who were helping him kick his addiction or was "they" a reference to drugs, which he chose to come back to. Because he also mentions that "he paid his debt to the hat" and perhaps interpreted that the shot he got was the sentence which if he survived he was free to go back to a drug lifestyle.

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