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Hardly a classic... barely a movie!


I just saw this film for the first time. Wait, to be fair, I didn't watch the whole thing. I watched the first ten minutes and then skipped through it just to see if it developed at all... I assumed the film was opening with a dream sequence but the dream never ends for the whole picture.

When you look up the director you see that Stephen Sayadian's other films are almost all porno flicks. Well, It makes sense.

I don't know which is more surprising — how lame the whole production is, (yeah, I get that it's an homage to German expressionism... that's being generous) or that some people rate it amongst their favorite films.

Heck, enjoy it if you can, I guess.

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The important thing to remember when dealing with surrealism in the visual arts is that there is no real meaning beyond the pure aestetic of it. It's basically there to look pretty and feel dreamlike.

It is DEFINITELY not for everyone.

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"I just saw this film for the first time. Wait, to be fair, I didn't watch the whole thing. I watched the first ten minutes and then skipped through it just to see if it developed at all..."

Then you watched it wrong.
Like the other guy said, with surrealism you have to take it in at face value. This isn't TiVO, just sit back, forget about trying to make sense of it and it'll make sense to you. I hope. Maybe.

Ah, heck, just try it again.

TRUST THE TOAD!!

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CHINCHILLA! CHINCHILLA !

Yeah, it's dated. Yeah, it's theatrical. But I'll take this over Independence day, The Rock of any of those other nauseatingly gung-ho Hollycrap movies any time. And yeah, this is something you really love or really despise.

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The OP is pretty much right on target, but it doesn't make any difference. Trying to convince someone how great Dr. Caligari is would be like getting a heroin addict to admit that smack is "no big deal."

This movie depends entirely on your sense of humors so I can completely understand why most people hate it, but I'm glad it's here for those of us that love every second of it.

The subject line is perfect and should be advertised on the DVD cover:
"Dr. Caligari - hardly a classic...barely a movie!"

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I disagree that it is hardly a movie. This is just a case of people being disingenuous because they didn't like the movie. Like the tired old music criticism of "But it isn't music! It's just noise!" I am not saying that everybody should think it's great. But a lot of things which superficially sound like criticism seem to be more honestly, simple dismissals. And yes, the OP saying that they only watched a few minutes is barely a review. Real criticism, functionally, is an analysis of what a work actually IS. Not what it *isn't* - such as other more "serious" Caligari movies, or some "type" of movie one likes better. I can certainly think about and critique a movie if it is not the kind of thing I would usually watch. If nothing else, it might teach me how not to make movies! XD

It might just be a matter of personal taste, but I love the production of Dr. Caligari. I prefer it when productions are stylized and creative, rather than striving for something realistic. Especially considering my other complaint about most movies being basically filmed plays, rather than pure visuals. So I find it a more honest point of departure for movies to play upon their obviously theatrical nature. That is to say, "stagey" is not necessarily a bad thing! Here I think it works extremely well.

I agree that Dr. Caligari is fairly surreal. But not that surrealism is purely aesthetic, and divorced from meaning. Surrealism is about using the vocabulary of dreams. These methods can be handy for short-circuiting the discursive aspects of the mind, and working at a more fundamental level of consciousness. There can be meanings, but not so much one concrete narrative meaning which can be easily explained or spoon-fed to people.

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If you read the OP's other comments, to them, if it isn't big budget Hollywood, it isn't a real movie.

I collect dead pigeons then I press them between the pages of a book.

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