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SOURCE regarding claims of animal abuse


http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/74/t/000778.html

This is a link to a post in Snopes.com's message board. A user made a well-cited post regarding the rumors of animal abuse in this film. I don't have time to check the sources she cited, but I may do so in the future.

Please do not attempt to rebut this with comments like, "But you can CLEARLY see it in the movie!" or "Someone on Facebook said 27 cats died!". These are not well-reasoned nor well-researched comments. I'm only interested in facts. Otherwise, we're just debating in a vacuum, a much too common occurrence on the internet.

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It is plainly obvious watching the film that several "Milos" and several "Otises" were used. Anyone with a keen eye can see that.

The film was shot over 4 years so the filmmakers had no choice; they had to use different animals. There's nothing unusual about multiple animals being used to depict one in the movies. Point in case, Samuel Fuller's White Dog; a film in which the dog is the only one attacking. Four dogs were used to depict the white dog in Fuller's film.

However, you're searching for solid evidence, which you won't find but what you do find you probably won't like or believe.

The following is the original article by Robin Bougie that was published circa 2006. It was recently republished in Bougie's book Cinema Sewer - Volume 3 by FAB Press, in which I would add, the article has been substantially expanded.

Here's a link to the book:
http://www.fabpress.com/vsearch.php?CO=FAB119

Before I get to the article, I suggest you also read the article from the following link and also watch the accompanying videos in which you'll find just a little of the disturbing footage cut from the film, which incidentally has been verified as originally being almost 70 hours in duration.
http://www.chud.com/23444/its-news-to-you-milo-otis-is-torture-porn/

This is the article as it was originally published:

Over the decades, rumours about the existence of snuff movies has run rampant despite the fact that no evidence exists to support these dark claims. After a large amount of my own research into the topic, I’ve come up with nothing but a lot of dead ends and goofy urban legends… with one exception.

In August, 1989, Columbia Pictures unleashed on America the one and only true snuff movie ever released, a children’s movie called The Adventures of Milo and Otis, which was a revamped version of a popular Japanese film Koneko Monogatari: The Adventures of Chatran.

Debuting in Japan three years earlier, Koneko Monogatari (A Kitten’s Story) was an arty film not geared towards children at all, but adults, and as early as October 1986, mere months after Chatran debuted in Japan, reports about the animal cruelty on display surfaced not only in Japan, but elsewhere.

“Chatran’s life is full of trials and tribulations,” the UK’s Economist pointed out. “Many of them to do with being soaked to the skin, like falling over a waterfall in a wooden box or plummeting from a cliff into the sea. It is hard to see how he survived. Indeed, according to Japan’s biggest animal-rights group, he did not. Or, to be accurate, a third of the 30 Chatrans used did not.”

Columbia Pictures ignored the reports of abuse and kitty and puppy killing by the Japanese production unhindered by animal rights laws, and noted instead that the film was making huge profits in Japan. Money talks, and executives at Columbia picked it up with a mind to overhaul and Americanise the feature — as is common for most foreign films being marketed in the USA. “It needed to be tailored to American kids who watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, ” said Brandt Reiter, an account executive at Fujisankei, the Japanese owners of the film.

Fuji supplied Columbia with almost 70 hours of extra footage from which to make their own edit of the movie. The succession of abuses would now be labelled as Milo and Otis’s “adventures”, and designed to baby-sit American kids.

“Some might say we vulgarised it,” said Jim Clark (the man in charge of overhauling the movie), “but we felt it was on the arty side.”

Jim quickened the pace, added a long, exhausting sequence where the dog and cat adopt a new-born chick, brought in nutty British star Dudley Moore to narrate and do stupid animal voices, and finally removed many graphic scenes of animals fighting and other atrocities.

Astonishingly though, much of the violence and obviously snuffy footage is still clearly visible despite the fact that Columbia supposedly recut the movie for a grade school audience. The cat, renamed Milo, still takes a long plunge off a cliff into the ocean into rough ocean surf (harrowing scenes of him trying in vain to climb back up were cut), is attacked viciously by angry birds, encounters a pissed off snake, is bitten on the nose and lip by a crab, is sent white water rafting down a river in a flimsy little box, and all while Dudley Moore baby talks stupid *beep* like “Oh dear me! Oh my! Goodness!”

Despite its happy-go-lucky kids movie marketing, the actual content of Milo and Otis is a deeply troubling film that shows animals in obvious pain and distress, and (in some cases) the midst of horrific death. According to the American Human Society, it is rumoured that as many as 27 cats were killed in the production of the picture.

There are other animal movies from the era, such as Homeward Bound with predatory animals and river scenes, but I’ve seen both movies and compared them. From every artistic standpoint, Homeward Bound is a far inferior film, but it’s obvious (or at least it should be) when something is edited in a kids movie in a way that you know that the animals are safe. But here we see Milo floating quickly downstream in the rapids, the box ALMOST tipping over constantly, and the poor cat looking scared outta his *beep* mind. There are no cuts or closeups, indicative of a faked scene.

Despite Columbia’s obvious position that there was no basis to these allegations of abuse, rumours did swirl but were seemingly quelled immediately after reviews by the Toronto Star and a New Jersey newspaper that noted:

“All [the scenes in which Milo and Otis appear to be in danger] may be momentarily unsettling for young viewers, but it’s comforting to see in the closing credits that ‘the animals used were filmed under strict supervision with the utmost care for their safety and well-being’.”

But what these reviewers fail to notice is that despite this flowery language, Columbia took great pains not to say “no animals were harmed,” which has been boilerplate language on movie animal disclaimers for as long as anyone can remember. Oddly, the American Human Society has done its bit to keep Columbia’s dirty little secret by suspiciously not including The Adventures of Milo and Otis in its “Current index of film ratings index”. Do I smell a cover-up?

Milo isn’t the only character who is *beep* with, although he does bear the brunt. Otis, the dog, is sent naked-pawed through drifts of deep snow, forced to swim to the point where the dog is obviously drowning, and in one memorable scene, is pitted against a very angry bear.

Most of the people commenting on the movie’s listing on the internet movie database are blissfully unaware of the behind the scenes story on the film they’re reviewing, calling it “wholesome” and “perfect for the whole family”, to the point where one horrified mother’s take on the film sticks out like a sore thumb:

“I’m so upset. I purchased this movie for my son for Valentines Day. I read the back of the movie before purchase, Rated G, cute little story, made by Columbia Pictures, endorsed by The Washington Post, purchased at Walmart for $5 bucks. How can this be wrong? WRONG is when my little son came running “They’re torturing the animals! I could not believe my eyes! Kittens screeching for their lives, animals yelping through out, a dog getting whacked by a bear with a sudden cut away as if the dog was killed. Animals don’t jump off 100 foot cliffs on their own. Don’t show this movie to any child!”

Another reviewer clues in as well later on down the list of comments:

“Chatran has the only merit to show how far you can go to earn a fistful of miserable bucks. Sacrificing a dozen cats who never asked for anything does not represent my conception of bringing fantasy and entertainment to an audience. There’s a difference between a horse with a broken leg and five cats thrown from a cliff until one survives and the sequence is wrapped up. Watching Chatran is like witnessing scientific experiments on animals, except here, the only goal is to make money.”

But not everyone shared this point of view. One reviewer on amazon.com pointed out that “Animals Were Created For Our Enjoyment: Biblically Speaking” and that “mental torture is not possible on the animals performing in this great kids film”. He finishes his argument by chiding those who disagree with his stance; “The late Dudley Moore would never have lent his narrative voice to a movie he didn’t believe in and you should be ashamed of yourselves for thinking you’re above this highly entertaining, and animal-friendly film.”

Ashamed? Yeah, there is some shame to be handed out in this situation, but it shouldn’t be directed at the audience. The people responsible for the making and distribution of Milo And Otis know who they are. I hope they made enough money off it to help them sleep at night, because I don’t think my conscience would allow me any rest if I were them.




What we see as spectacle is in fact a ceremony

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When hearsay and rumour are mixed in with facts, they don't ALSO become facts.

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No, that's right UberNoodle, they don't. Have you seen any of the extended footage available outside the "nice'n'safe" mainstream release? Judging by your comment, I presume not, otherwise you'd realise this is clearly a case of where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Moreover, the article I quoted was one of dozens that are available with a little research.

Don’t you think it’s more than a little remiss the studio that released this film (and come on, it's one of the BIG ones) has done nothing to assuage the concerns of spectators to dissuade us – the movie-goers – from believing the “rumours” are just that? Hmm. Have a think about that one as you consider the lengths this very studio has gone to in the past to absolve themselves from other controversies (hint, you should look back waaaay further than the ‘80s to see just how long this sort of thing has been going on).

I used to go out on a limb discussing these topics, providing further reading and other sources of information to refer to but when people retort with snippy comments like yours that don't contribute anything helpful or useful to the discussion, I ask myself: what's the point? Moreover, what are you trying to achieve with this one-liner? Is that the sum total of the foundation in your argument to persuade me to believe otherwise – “rumours aren’t facts” – come on, I wasn’t born yesterday.

Regarding this particular point of discussion – that being did animal abuse take place in the making of this film; if you can't make the distinction between what's rumour and what's fact, this tells me you've either made your own decision in the absence of doing any homework to establish the real background and circumstances concerning the production of the original film. Or, you've done your homework but choose to ignore what's sitting under your nose.

I take it you’re not denying the fact the American release isn’t only a heavily bowdlerised version of the original and is nothing akin to the original? Or do you believe the mainstream release is the only version out there? This film is like Shogun Assassin inasmuch that it’s been completely recut – the only difference being, the American producers recut one film for Koneko monogatari whereas Shogun Assassin was recut from two films (Lone Wolf And Cub: Sword Of Vengeance and Lone Wolf And Cub: Baby Cart At The River Styx).

This is a cruel world, my friend, and if you think this film is innocent fun for kids, then that's up to you, but if you're going to venture to offer an opinion that gives me something to think about, well… without trying to sound too condescending, please try a little harder and bring something of substance to the discussion instead of punchy armchair pundit musings. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I’m afraid that’s all I can make of your comment.


What we see as spectacle is in fact a ceremony

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I don't have Homeward Bound on video, but if its credits has the "No Animals Were Harmed" disclaimer from the American Humane Association, it's probably safe.
Milo and Otis does not have it.

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We animals harmed? Yes.

However, the 30 kittens rumour has yet to be proven true... FROM ANY SOURCE! There is not a single source that claims that as fact, but only as rumour. Could it be true? Sure, but it isn't a fact.

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Hi. i was looking for a clear answer respect the rumors of animal cruelty in this film, since i saw it, many years ago...the review that i read before this thread state that the filmmaker is in fact an animal lover that have LOTS of animal in some farm in japan...well, if i love the animals i'll never put them in any type of danger, and the scene where the cat fall into the ocean are so obviously dangerous, so it can prove that the director were no much worry about the feelings or even security of the cat...or cats and dogs that were harmed and died to make this film...thank you to help me to get an answer....

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Hi feliu_qo

No worries. A little digging outside the usual sources (e.g. Wikipedia) invariably gives a clearer, if not definitive picture of what goes on in the film industry.


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As a fan of Milo and Otis as a child, let me say this: I don't care. I don't care if any animals were killed. I worked at Petsmart for 8 years (I am an animal lover). As someone with this kind of insight, let me say: the ASPCA, PETA, The "Humane" Society and EVERY other organization I am aware of, kills more animals in AN HOUR, every day, than this movie did during 4 years. People say "the poor animals being exploited in this film" when they don't seem to care how MILLIONS, nay, BILLIONS of animals are "destroyed" every single year, by these very same organizations that claim to be friends of the animals.

If you felt so sorry for these animals, why don't you go adopt one (not BUY, adopt)? Beter yet, why not pay to have yours sterilized so that we solve the pet problem in this country (the USA) entirely. If you don't get your animals snipped, you should have to go to jail. No fine, JAIL. It is criminal to bring animals into this world without a license, only for them to face terrible conditions where they are hopelessly discarded to pain and suffering, and to breed wild and feral animals that cannot be rehabilitated. THAT is truly disgusting. ANd it is legal, and done every day.

If they had grabbed animals that were slated for being "euthanized" (see: destroyed), then what difference would it make? They killed 27 Milo's? Heaven forbid we should film that, when we are destroying 27 orange cat "Milo's" every hour... it smacks more than a little of crocodile tears. It's hypocritical. I am sick of it. I don't care how many common animals were killed int he making of this movie, they were going to be killed anyway because of YOUR carelessness. If they start slaughtering Pandas or some endangered species, I might care, but until then, I am sick of the double standard. Love your pets, GET them spayed or neutered. We don't need more orphans just waiting to be destroyed in this country. We have enough already. I won't shed a tear until the real genocide of the ASCPA and "Humane" Society is ended.

THEY are the real face of animal cruelty.

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I'm well aware of this. It's not just dogs or cats either... It's horses and elephants too, who have been used in war and human purposes.

I recommend the anime Kemono no Souja if this subject matter interested you. Domesticating animals for selfish human reasons, such as war and pampering, is bad.

However, you are not exhibiting any awareness when you say to discard the animal abuse in this film because greater horrors exist. That's basically the excuse the serial killer Ramirez gave. He said something to this effect in one of his interviews: "Well, what I am doing is nowhere near to the magnitude of the wars and soldiers people support. Thus, I am not the real evil." This is ridiculous because it ignores one's own personal responsibilities and transposes them elsewhere. We are all responsible for what we do, immerse ourselves in, and support.

I agree fixating on this particular movie is wasted energy when we can direct them to the more immediate corruptions, such as PetCo's practices and the unhealthy ingredients in mainstream Pet Foods that are mass-produced. However, completely ignoring this movie, as a consequence, will not help.

I'm pretty sure the suffering of ~30 kittens killed was justified in light of big corporation's neglect of animals, am I right? I'm also pretty sure the women Ramirez skull ****ed also doesn't matter in light of the wars and genocides wrought by nations, am I right? While neither the ~30 kittens killed in The Adventures of Milo and Otis and Ramirez's murders are nowhere near the magnitude of genocides or greedy corporations exploiting animals for profit, they still amounts to beings suffer. In this sense, to ignore the suffering of any being is truly ridiculous, in my view. The root of corruption (i.e., greed, hatred, and delusion) is still the same.

Please re-evaluate your assumptions and then get back to me.

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So, as a fan of a movie, you can excuse the blatant torture of a few animals, because it's not of the same magnitude of number of animals killed in shelters?

You are an idiot, plain and simple. There is no excuse for abusing any number of animals, for any reason. And whilst shelters are killing animals left, right, and centre, no doubt, they are not first throwing them off cliffs, pitting them against large predators and poisonous reptiles, dropping them down chimneys, floating them down river rapids, and stressing them out in other outlandish situations before suffering a long and agonising death. In the shelters, they sit in cages, and then die within a few minutes of either being needled or gassed to death.

Get your head out of your ass before making more asinine comments.

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Cabby..people like you need electric shock therapy. You're a stupid, sick fool.

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Gabby, you think it's ok to brush off the cruelty that went on this film because other atrocities are happening that you deem far worse? What the f&*k is wrong with you? Going by your screwed up logic, it's ok if someone kills your whole family because there are far more people dying in wars everyday. Do you realize how much of an idiot you are? I am appalled that I have to share this planet with morons like you.

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Pansies.... I watched this as a kid and it didn't bother me one bit... youhumans have grown weak, The curious cat with the crab pinching was doing it out of it's own instinct anyways, as if they were in nature anyways, it would happen, get over yourselves. lmao...

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Hey Saddo, you are missed... your village is missing its idiot.

Hurry on home now.

Suicide, it’s a suicide

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Bullcrap. It doesn't matter if cats died or not. It was cruel! The part in the Japanese cut where a cat is thrown into the ocean is the worst. It fights against the surf, climbs up a rock wall, and falls again. I don't need to do research to figure out if that's cruel. You can see it here:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/team-nchick/nostalgia-chic k/34468-the-adventures-of-milo-and-otis

I don't know why people continue to defend this movie.

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They're either protecting their own childhood memories or they don't give a crap. The footage is pretty hard to refute. I see this thread went a bit quiet with people saying it's all *beep* Maybe they've finally woken up.

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Around 20 kittens died during the film's production, and 5 or six more for the English-language version.

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anyone arguing to protect this movie is clearly ignorant and possibly mentally challenged (or Retard if your retarded!) are you going to argue they dont kill dolphins for fun too? go on...tell me they dont... clearly with video evidence that still cant prove anything to you. Its like arguing religion with a christian...wait that must be it!

Thats just like...your opinion man - Lebowski

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The person that started this thread asked for clear evidence, FACTS.

I do not condone animal abuse, and it is obvious that the animals are put into very sketchy situations in this and the original, but everyone keeps saying "27 cats died!" as if it's fact.

No one has posted any facts in this thread at all about any deaths, just speculation, which is exactly what the OP did not want.

Where are the facts? I am very interested in concrete evidence that animals were killed in the making of this movie.

FACTS, people. If there is factual evidence that animals were killed in this movie then that is horrible, but until then no one can claim that this is some kind of a "snuff" movie as that ridiculous, obviously HEAVILY biased article stated earlier in the thread.

FACTS. Not rumors.

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Um, it was hard to watch the whole video of that ridiculous Nostalgia Chick, but I couldn't see any footage of Milo trying to climb up the rocks, or any proof they were harmed. The stupid video even cut off the Milo and Otis subject matter after a couple minutes.

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Then you clearly didn't watch the video, whitespritit26. The video is littered with some very disturbing footage that was removed from the American version (which proves animal abuse beyond the shadow of a doubt... it shows a kitten fighting for its life against waves, repeatedly falling hard onto rocks, etc. and it was clearly put in that situation), and didn't go off the subject.

However, if you absolutely must have it pointed out, here's links to some parts of the video with the footage removed from the American release (and all the footage shows animals that are CLEARLY showing distress, fear or discomfort, often in dangerous situations that they were clearly placed into):

http://youtu.be/O0HwZFa64W8?t=6m40s
http://youtu.be/O0HwZFa64W8?t=9m37s
http://youtu.be/O0HwZFa64W8?t=10m12s

And FURTHERMORE, this is my signature! SERIOUSLY! Did you think I was still talking about my point?

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