Does Lynda DIE!??


Heya, does anybody know if Lynda Day dies in "There are crocodiles" ?? I really hope she doesnt! I will cry my eyes out if she does, its just so sad that such an amazing character should have such a tragic ending! ...nooo x

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I think ultimately it is open for interpretation....(look away now if you do not want to know what happens!)

Dreams were a recurring feature of the whole 5 series' and I think that it was left up to the viewer whether you choose to belive Spike is dreaming, or whether Lynda survived the fire at the newsroom. I would like to think that she survived and they lived happily ever after - but then Press Gang was never that patronising!

Clever but infuriating... I have just been watching Series 4 on the DVD and cannot wait until they release Series 5. IT was such a great show - I could watch the epsiodes time and time again....nice to know I am not the only one out there...

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No you are definitely not the only one! I love series four! Especially in 'daydreams' when she sees that Julie is the new editor and she says "NEver forget who runs this newsroom!" A quality quote because its just so true!

Lynda Day is ultimately the best character EVER and Colin! he was a classic.

"You're going to blackmail her?"

Colin: "I wouldnt say that"

"Why not?"

Colin: "Someone might hear"

LOL! woohoo!

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Colin was a great character, and I think Paul Reynolds is an underated actor..

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I have just being enjoying the series 2 dvd (FAB!) I love the commentary, gives a whole new side to the series, and it's a pity more episodes didn't have commentary, and other PG actors didn't do it too.
One question - did anyone here ever go to a PG convention? They were in 1997 and 1998, I went to them both and they were great.
In my (humble) opinion they should be compulsery viewing for all, words cannot describe the quality of this show. BRILLIANT!!!!!!!

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I think ultimately it is open for interpretation....(look away now if you do not want to know what happens!)

Dreams were a recurring feature of the whole 5 series' and I think that it was left up to the viewer whether you choose to belive Spike is dreaming, or whether Lynda survived the fire at the newsroom. I would like to think that she survived and they lived happily ever after - but then Press Gang was never that patronising!


If you take the events of that episode on its own merits, then it is not made clear if Lynda survived the fire or not. When Lynda appears before Spike at the end, it looks like a dream, then when Spike puts the light on, it looks like it's NOT a dream, but then the frame freezes before they kiss, so maybe it IS a dream. Damn ambiguity! I think the strongest evidence for the Lynda-being-dead theory is that Spike was at home - he wouldn't have left the hospital unless he knew for certain that Lynda had died. And would Lynda have been let out (still in the same clothes, and with a soot-ridden face), and had enough time to sort out the insurance damage, got Colin back to work for the paper, etc in that time? Lynda's dialogue (she's alive, the Junior Gazette will continue, etc) seems a little too pat - it's (Spike's) wish-fulfillment!

People often mention the proposed-but-never-made "Press Gang" film as evidence that Lynda survived, since Lynda obviously would have been in the film - but the film ("Dead Line") was going to be made after the FOURTH season (the fifth season was made instead of the movie), so it wouldn't have continued from "There Are Crocodiles." However, the makers of "Press Gang" have mentioned their ideas of how they would continue the show (post-season 5), so THEY definitely think that Lynda survived...and who are we to argue?

“The spin-off that was considered was something called CURRENT AFFAIR, which was about Spike and Lynda five to ten years on. Spike and Lynda are anchorpersons on a news programme, and the viewers became more interested in the relationship between Spike and Lynda than they are in the news.”

Sandra Hastie (producer), interviewed in September 1993.

"I'd leap at doing more Press Gang, I loved those characters. But I wouldn't know what Spike and Lynda are doing now till I sat down to write it. I expect they separated long ago, and are pursuing very different lives, each occasionally wondering what happened to the other, but both confident that their paths are unlikely to cross again. Until, one day..."

Steven Moffat (writer), interviewed in July 2004.

So yeah, although the episode (to me) leans more heavily in favour of the idea that Lynda died, I'm going to go with Hastie and Moffat. Also, I'm too much of a romantic and not enough of a sadist to believe that Spike and Lynda's relationship would have ended like that (in the worst possible way).

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Nobody knows. Possibly not even Steven, although there were plans for a feature-length follow-up at some point (which has been long-since canned).

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Just to answer other posts, no, linda doesn't die. When she appears in spikes room in the dark, she says "was it you"? (watch the episode).When spike says no, she asks him to "forgive" her.He says for what, and she puts the light on, alive and well, and says "winding you up".She also says that she has been to see colin, and that shewasn't dead because she didn't like the company. I choose to see it as her somehow making it out.

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I was just thinking the same thing myself today as well. After watching the final episode I really didn't think they could have killed her off. But it was so open-ended. What would have happened if we had seen them kiss, would Spike have woken up? I really hope not as I would have liked to have thought they would go on to live happily ever after (what can I say I'm a romantic). If she did die what a really awful way to end such a great character.

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Just a thought, did anyone think series 4 was kinda like a "filler" series? I mean, i still loved it but,aside from "love and war", it just didn't ...flow as easily. Your thoughts, anyone?

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Just a thought, did anyone think series 4 was kinda like a "filler" series? I mean, i still loved it but,aside from "love and war", it just didn't ...flow as easily. Your thoughts, anyone?


I'm going to have to disagree with you - despite the loss of Kenny, Season 4 was great. "Bad News" is one of the best "Press Gang" episodes over (esp. when Lynda and Spike fight on the "Crazy Stuff" show), as is "Love and War," which you mentioned. And how about Colin trying desperately not to be seen in the hotel room in "In The Picture" (featuring a return appearance by Claire Forlani)? And "Day Dreams" was both great in itself and a forerunner of "There Are Crocodiles." I wasn't completely sold on "UnXpected" (although it's pretty good as a tribute to "Doctor Who") and "She's Got It Taped" is probably the worst episode of "Press Gang" ever. Still, I think the fourth season was (probably) better than the third. Although I think I can see where you're coming from, about the show not flowing as easily, but I don't think I agree with you.

Still, seasons 4 and 5 - or maybe it was 3 and 4 - were made as one production block. So really, you could almost consider season 4 to be only half of a bigger season.


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Thanks for that.But i think series 3 WAS better.Did you notice though, that in "the last word" part two,the guy contradicts himself? {the gunman}.He says that he isn't going to hurt anyone, but when spike tells him he's out of bullets, he tests it by shooting at frazz.How did his i.q. increase over the course of the five seasons of the show? {frazz}

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Did you notice though, that in "the last word" part two,the guy contradicts himself? {the gunman}.He says that he isn't going to hurt anyone, but when spike tells him he's out of bullets, he tests it by shooting at frazz.How did his i.q. increase over the course of the five seasons of the show? {frazz}


I think Frazz was always intelligent - he just chose to hide it most of the time (if you watch all the episodes, you might notice that Frazz was often quite sharp-minded and practical). Or maybe he was dumb in some areas, but not in others. He was a pretty hard character to peg. But then, they all were...

About the gunman, well...Don't forget, he shot Colin as well (and wounded him). I loved it how, in later episodes, Colin would often mention being shot as a way of weaselling out when he got in trouble with the others. Actually, one thing about events in "The Last Word" bothered me, but only after seeing the first episode of season 5, "Head and Heart." In that episode, Lynda decides to expose the Norbridge High Headmaster, Mr. Winters, for having an affair with his secretary. Lynda justifies this by saying that she's giving the people the whole true story, and they can make their judgement of Mr. Winters based on that, and if the Junior Gazette chose to ignore the story, then they might as well make up their stories. This is an appalling case of hypocrisy, if you look at "The Last Word" - why didn't Lynda tell the truth about what happened THAT time, and let the people make their mind up about the gunman, instead of making up a largely false story about phony heroism (which she did)? I liked it how Spike told Lynda she didn't do the right thing about Mr. Winters, but I was annoyed that no one mentioned the gunman thing to Lynda as proof that she was wrong.

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But i think series 3 WAS better.


Okay, I've just re-watched Seasons 3 and 4. Last time, I wrote "I think the fourth season was (probably) better than the third." I've changed my mind: the fourth season was DEFINITELY better than the third. The third season really only had three truly great episodes: "The Big Hello," "Chance Is A Fine Thing," and "Holding On."

The "Last Word" two-parter is well-written and acted, and it plays out well and with suspense at first - but after watching it again, a lot of it strikes me as false. Putting aside the fact that I don't think the gunman deserved to be falsely glorified - and that there's NO WAY the Junior Gazette team would've done it, given what he did to them - the whole thing strains credibility because of the police inspector's actions. It's ridiculous to believe that he would've complied with the cover-up, after Sarah told him the truth - it was unethical, he could lose his job over it, and adhering to Sarah's (false) story made the police's actions during the siege look incompetent (which they weren't). And anyway, why was the gunman (and for that matter, his parents, who we didn't even know) so deserving of sympathy? And like I said before, the extent of Lynda's hypocrisy doesn't become fully evident until the first episode of season 5, in which Lynda says to Mr. Winters, "We don't decide what's good for people to know. We print the facts; the readers make the judgements." Lynda surely did more damage bringing down Mr. Winters with the adultery scandal story than she ever could have done by telling the truth about a pathetic, gun-toting dickweed who killed himself. Although perhaps Steven Moffat knew this when he wrote "Head and Heart," to demonstate how unscrupulous Lynda had become: there's no way she would have taken down Winters had Kenny still been assistant editor - but Julie and Colin encouraged her to run the story, and only Sarah, Spike and Frazz (and the last two hold next to no weight in the editorial stakes) were against it.

Another thing - the supposed problem at the end of the first "Last Word" is, the cops have shown up, and there's no way for the gunman to walk out of there without being caught, therefore, he sees no other course of action but to continue holding the J.G. team as hostages. Now, if Lynda or any of the others were smart, they could've just asked him to lose the gun, mask and army jacket, then they could all go out together, pretend that the gunman is one of them, and tell the cops that the gunman escaped. IF THEY DID THAT, EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWED WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED!! I also hated the bit when Spike confesses to Lynda that he was lying about being engaged to his girlfriend Zoe, because he never mentioned being engaged to her in the first place.

Now, the fourth season - despite the weak "She's Got It Taped" episode - actually improves on repeated viewing. The “UnXpected” episode, which went a little stop-start on me at first, struck me as great the second time around. Plus, another nice touch that I didn’t notice at first, in “Day Dreams” – Spike says “Goodbye forever and all that” to Lynda (in her dream), which are the last words he said to his father’s answering machine in “Love and War." I still think that the showdown between Lynda and Spike on the "Crazy Stuff" show in "Bad News" is the funniest Press Gang scene ever, and "Love and War" is beautifully written and acted (and I like how it follows the pattern of season 2's "At Last A Dragon" - it's a Spike/Lynda relationship episode with the only other regular cast member being Colin, who gets in the way).

And I don't think that series 4 has an issue with not flowing - I mean, "Love and War," "In The Picture" and "Day Dreams" continue into each other quite well. But seeing as how seasons 3 and 4 were actually produced (though not broadcast) as one series, it makes more sense to examine how well both seasons fit together - I mean, Lynda's behaviour and actions are quite baffling and obnoxious for much of the third and fourth seasons (she was almost certainly affected by the losses of Spike [and later Kenny], and also by fighting the uphill battle of justifying the J.G. as a commercial venture), but it's in the fourth series (towards the end) that she softens up.

Don't get me wrong - season 3 is great. But season 4 is better. If I had to rank the seasons from best to worst, I would probably go 2, 5, 4, 3, 1.

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Does Lynda die?
Who can say?
Hell of a way to end the series though. I like the ambiguity to it.
Lynda appearing in Spike's bedroom is one of the spookiest scenes the series ever did.
A marvellous end to a fantastic series.

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alladinsane, I always got the impression that she was alive but they thought she was dead because they couldn't find her body. Which is why she comes to visit Spike because she regained consciousness and got out. Or maybe I'm just hoping that she survived. I think it might be just left up to individual viewer to decide her fate.

I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away.

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I always got the impression that she was alive but they thought she was dead because they couldn't find her body. Which is why she comes to visit Spike because she regained consciousness and got out.


Hmmm. Never thought of that...and looking over at the script, you're right, the implication is that they didn't find Lynda's body and she escaped without them knowing (Spike: "The firemen said no one could've got out! You were dead!" and Lynda: "...news stories of my miraculous escape should divert attention from what's-his-name...I figure if I stay hidden and reappear claiming memory loss we should get some good coverage"). Which totally negates my hospital thing, which maybe means Lynda being alive is more realistic. Damn, I should have paid more attention to that dialogue!!

I guess because Lynda collapsed from smoke inhalation in the middle of a blazing office, her escape would truly have been miraculous, but hey, not impossible...I think most viewers like to think that she survived!

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To whoever was criticising the gunman episode because they glorified the gunman himself. I think they only did that because he killed himself rather than killing the others. It was the only way to stop himself so he did. I think they were thankful for that fact and thats why they decided to tribute him, also more for his parents sake. Since he was dead anyway to have his parents suffer with no closure knowing their son was a gunman would have caused them alot of pain, I think Lyndas theory was to let them believe he didnt die in vain.

They weernt glorifying him, he'd dead, there is no lower place.

I actually love Season 4, without it we never would have got to see great episodes like Love and War, Day dreams was brilliant too, I love the sequence at the beginning with Spike and Lynda playing spikes mum and dad! Love it! xx

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To whoever was criticising the gunman episode because they glorified the gunman himself. I think they only did that because he killed himself rather than killing the others. It was the only way to stop himself so he did. I think they were thankful for that fact and thats why they decided to tribute him, also more for his parents sake. Since he was dead anyway to have his parents suffer with no closure knowing their son was a gunman would have caused them alot of pain, I think Lyndas theory was to let them believe he didnt die in vain.


I see where you're coming from, and I know why Lynda did what she did, but the fact that she essentially made up a story, instead of reporting the truth, makes her look like a hypocrite in light of what she did to the school headmaster in season 4. As for "it was the only way to stop himself," as I indicated before, they could have snuck him past the cops if they wanted to. The suicide pay-off just seemed like a dramatic contrivance, to make us feel sympathy for the gunman.

And as I said before, I don't think the police would have played along - Sarah told the cop in charge of the investigation what really happened, and by complying with that, he would be falsifying a report, no?

They weernt glorifying him, he'd dead, there is no lower place.


Well, they made him out to be a hero. If they told the truth about him, I don't think he would have looked all that bad - after all, he didn't kill anyone else, only himself. Maybe if they did a story on what really happened, and what drove him to do what he did, they might have been doing a better service for their youth readership, i.e. to help other kids who might have felt the same way as he did, no? Instead of serving up a story about phony heroism??

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as mentioned in other posting by myself and others, if you watch TAC and are a Twin Peaks fan there are similarities to the final episodes

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The gunman kills himself. You think he's going to kill spike buut he shoots himself instead. He also shoots colin, but he survives.

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This episode was a way to write out spike, when they thought dexter fletcher was leaving the show.

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The episode-The Last Word sorry i should have specified this.

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No, she makes it, our girl makes it, good for her.

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Also don't forget that Colin had his secret door, which the firemen wouldn't have known about. I always believed she survived - it would have been so un Lynda like to let a little thing like a blazing fire stop her!

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No, and that's straight from the horse's mouth - ie: the show's writer and creator Steven Moffatt. I don't have the URL's but while looking for PG sites I came across interviews where he was asked whether Lynda is dead at the end and he said an emphatic 'no'

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Right at the end of 'The Last Word', Spike says something to Lynda about her putting weight on her behind and tells her to do somthing about it. I just dont get it, Whats he on about? Did I miss somethng or is he really just telling her to lose weight?

Its before the clown kils himself, its when Lynda is about to leave the newsroom!

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Spike and Linda are absolutely terrible at communicating how they really feel about each other. It is pretty much Spike being Spike and telling Linda that he loves her (as bizarre as that sounds). Spike is making a huge sacrifice for Linda as he believes the gunman is going to kill him...

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I think she dies. If she's gotten out the first place she would have gone would be a hospital after breathing in all that smoke, it would have hurt like mad. And if she'd been at the hospital they would have know she was alive. Plus all the stuff she says to Spike at the end is just too happy ending and couldn't have been sorted out so quickly, and why would she do all of that stuff first before going to see Spike.

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Well, at the time there were plans for a TV Movie follow-up, so it seems that the writer had intended that she lived...

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