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There's some real truth in this movie


Believe me, they're are evil hidden subliminally in our current times. Too many agendas around, and they all hide the truth.

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The only difference between the aliens in this movie and the political groups of today are that the aliens just look kinda funny.

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I don't know ruiner--one of those aliens looks just like Ted Cruz. Seriously though, Carpenter seems downright prescient in retrospect. I remember watching this film as a kid and loving it but thinking, "nah, it'll never be like that." Sadly, it already was, and I didn't know better.

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This movie is about Cultural Hegemony - a concept developed by Antonio Gramsci in WW2.

The Oppressing Class controls the mass media and entertainment, church and politics, laws and education, institutions which it uses to indoctrinate the Exploited Class with a system of principles and values, and a view of the world and reality, that benefits the Oppressing class.
eg. if you are exceptional, like Michael Jordan, or Justin Bieber, or Robin Williams, or Steve Jobs or Ahnold Schwarzenegger, you get rich.
In reality, there's nothing exceptional in kicking a ball around all day long, or taking steroids or making faces or singing "baby, baby, baby oooh".
Those jesters are paid so much money, because they are enforcers of the ideology of the Masters: you are being exploited because you are not exceptional!!!1!

The children of the Oppressing Class do not go to the same schools as the children of the Exploited Class. The Oppressing Class doesn't eat the crap that is fed to the Exploited Class. The Oppressors don't live in the same homes and environment that the Exploited live in.

We, the exploited, are crammed into noisy polluted cities, drinking disgusting tap water and eating industrial farmed animals - injected with growth hormones and antibiotics, kept in steel cages inside concrete kennels with neon lighting, and fed god knows what. The vegetables we eat are abominations, greenhouse vines treated with all sorts of chemicals, the fruits harvested before ripening, kept in giant freezers, and treated with UV rays and sh!t, to give them the ripe appearance, right before being shipped to the store.

They, the oppressors, live in spacious villas in serene country side, far from the slave pens and industrial waste and landfills, eating fresh food from their exclusive farms, fresh water from clean springs, administering their slaves through the CEOs and politicians, police and magistrates, clerics and academics.


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Wow. Dude. You hit the nail right on the head

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It is just a B movie about an alien plot, in the style of trust no one, and nobody believes me, like The Invaders. You have this theme over and over in scify.

Just to begin this movie is based on the comic book adaptation of the shor story "Eight O'Clock in the Morning" by Ray Nelson. i doubt a beatnik writer from the 60's would use such a thematic.

Take another movie like Invasion of Body Snatchers, the movie is so ambiguous that nobody is sure to this day if the movie is about the fear of infiltrated communists everywhere, or the fear of machartists menacing everybody. It turns out that is a movie about fear and paranoia itself, just that. It catches the environment of the time.

The fact is that conspiracies are a simple way to make a catching plot. You can accuse the movie of a linear simple fool plot, but only that. Why the plot need to be about Jews? Why can't it be about economic power over media? Or a tale about that who controls media controls the word? Or a self criticism about the power of media over you? Or a movie about a powerless John Doe that fights and win against all odds against a much more powerful antagonist (who do not identify oneself with such a hero?) Or anything? Or just a silly movie about skull headed aliens?

Paranoid are people that see conspiracies everywhere, like you.

Do you also believes Disney stories are about hating parents too? No character ever has parents, just uncles and aunts, Uncle Scrooge, Uncle Donald, etc. Or they are all dead: Bambi's mother, Simba's father, Nemo's mother, Elsa's parents, etc. It is just a success proved formula, that executives not willing to risk millions are glad to use.

Or maybe he thinks that a profound movie with a catchphrase like: "I am here to chew bubblegum and kick ass" must be a movie that denounces the false conspiracy of using bubblegum to create a more violent world.

The problem with people like you is that movies are now obliged to put dialogues to make sure nobody will get confused about what the movie is and accusing it of anti-something. If you put a white protagonist against a conspiracy it automatically must be against some minority, so you need to put someone from some minority, and you cannot ever put someone from any minority in a villain role, so stupid paranoid people don't misinterpret the movie.

This is a very poor way to write a good story, censoring it while writing so nobody misinterpret it and gets offended.
Do you know how its called something like this? Anodyne (in the bad sense of completely lacking any interest).
Movies that explain everything and let nothing to the public risking being misinterpreted, are boring, shallow, empty, even when compared to B movies like this.



The Force Awakens in a nutshell:
Leia: Same jacket!
Han: Different jacket.

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Gramsci was a idiot that saw everything by the limited and distorted lens of Marxism. To think that states that cannot even control their debt or even simpler things, and can't even elect their own successors have the capacity to construct a world order to exploit everybody.

Gramsci believed in historicism, a complete fallacy, even refuted that there were NO objective reality for God's sake.

To "exploit" someone do not need elaborate plans. It works as usual, taking as much money you can get as fast you can get, they buy everyone you can get from papers, to politicians to judges. You do not need to control anyone, to hide anything.

People, wake up, stop repeating stupid lemmas, and think for yourselves.

Stop using terms like oppressing class, exploited class. Every time some brainwashed moron appears to explain something using idiotic class struggle terms, an always they use the same words, letter by letter just repeating, which shows no reflection on the subject whatsoever.

I will repeat: THIS IS JUST A BAD MOVIE with delusions of deepness (by that I don't mean it is not completely watchable or even have no social criticism in it, but it is NOT ABOUT THIS). Look at other John Carpenter's movies you morons. Do you think they have any deep meaning in them? Halloween? Escape from NY? Christine? Starman? The thing?

I will write again for your sake: WAKE UP!!!!!!

The Force Awakens in a nutshell:
Leia: Same jacket!
Han: Different jacket.

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You just made me believe OP even more. Lol. You came on too strong and know I know you're an Alien/reptile.

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John carpenter wrote this as a critique of reganomics.


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True, It's why you can't find older post than 2015, cause they delete them even on a message board about a film made in the eighties. They still have to hide the truth the film was speaking about. This was not just about the elites vs the masses.
Or the rich vs the poor. As the disinformers like to mention.


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LOL. The board resets itself after a number of threads. It happens to every movie. Check your tin foil hat





If I don't reply, you're most likely on my ignore list

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I've been on and off IMDb for a while over several accounts - and have never noticed that. Honestly I want to say you're wrong. Can you link another film that's message boards have been reset due to overload?

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Happens more often than not, apparently. So common I'm surprised you haven't noticed it.

OCEAN'S 13 ( released in '07) - earliest post May '14
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0496806/board/?ref_=tt_ql_op_7

EAGLE EYE (released in '08) - earliest post May '10
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059786/board/?p=2

I picked these two because they represent very large films which continue in heavy TV rotation today. I could understand if they trimmed back for some obscure, forgotten films, but they seem to do it equally and widely anywhere they can.

No conspiracy here, just cheapness apparently when it comes to server storage.

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To me? This movie sort of represented the coming one world government/New World Order.

A few more we've all heard:

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

Decent for a low budget movie - kinda cool. Grade: B.

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There's more truth in this film than there is in a standard history class.

"Brother, life's a bitch...and she's back in heat."

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