This movie works for today.
Republicans and the rich are the aliens. The cattle are the Trump supporters.
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Indeed - it's more relevant now than ever. Though the aliens in the movie represent the elite as a whole (regardless of where they stand politically), the Republicans easily have the most common with the aliens than anyone else in power (you know they will say the same thing about anyone who belongs to another party), and I bet Carpenter would agree with that. And the suckers that eat everything up? Yup, no matters all the lies and hypocrisy that's coming from the glorified reality star (unsurprisingly has already broken many of his asinine promises, and is also establishing what's most likely going to be the richest and most corrupt administration in US history), it's seem very few of his supporters would dare disagree with what he's doing.... "anti-Government" my ass.
You want something corny? You got it!
democrats and republicans are both parties of evil scum.
However, contrary to what the OP says, democrats are no better than republicans.
For example, democrats were just in power for 8 years...did they give America free health care? No, just obamacare, which doesn't come anywhere close to being as good as is free health care. Yet democrats tout obamacare as if it is a great thing that shows how much they love everyone.
Both democrats and republicans are lackeys of the rich elites.
There's no such thing as "free healthcare". Someone has to pay for it, and in the case of socialized universal healthcare, it's the taxpayers themselves.
There's no such thing as "free healthcare". Someone has to pay for it, and in the case of socialized universal healthcare, it's the taxpayers themselves.
Technically you are right. But what I mean by "free healthcare" is that to receive medical services, taxpayers need not pay any more money out of their own pockets beyond that which they have already paid via taxes to the state.
With or without free healthcare, either way, taxpayers are getting shafted by having their money stolen by the state.
For example, to give taxpayers some of their stolen money back through a free healthcare system is much better than say, instead to use those tax dollars to fund pointless, unjustified & unwinnable wars in the Middle East and/or to make multi-million dollar donations to those same countries upon which america wages war. share
Technically you are right. But what I mean by "free healthcare" is that to receive medical services, taxpayers need not pay any more money out of their own pockets beyond that which they have already paid via taxes to the state.
I know what you meant, but the point stands regardless. There is no free healthcare lunch. Either way, the taxpayers are going to have to pay for it, since the government has no money of its own. The government only has what it can steal.
With or without free healthcare, either way, taxpayers are getting shafted by having their money stolen by the state.
Indeed. And that's the entire purpose of government, to steal and exploit the labor value of one group of people - the peasants - for the benefit of another group of people - the ruling class.
The term government is really just a more simple way of saying "human farming".
For example, to give taxpayers some of their stolen money back through a free healthcare system is much better than say, instead to use those tax dollars to fund pointless, unjustified & unwinnable wars in the Middle East and/or to make multi-million dollar donations to those same countries upon which america wages war.
Actually, there is no real difference. The purpose of socialized healthcare has nothing to do with taking care of the taxpayers, making their quality of life better, relieving them of a financial burden, or providing them with a benefit. The real purpose of socialized healthcare is control, To trade a free market healthcare system based on competition and free choice for a government monopolized healthcare system based on zero competition and fascist bureaucracy isn't a net gain, it's a net loss. It's the destruction of freedom and a massive transfer of power and wealth from the poor to the rich. share
that's the entire purpose of government, to steal and exploit the labor value of one group of people - the peasants - for the benefit of another group of people - the ruling class.
Agreed 100%.
Either way, the taxpayers are going to have to pay for it, since the government has no money of its own. The government only has what it can steal.
I agree with this too. But with free healthcare, at least the government returns some of the money that it has stolen to the people from whom it stole said money, via medical services that they don't have to pay for again. In contrast, with no free healthcare system, then none of that stolen money is returned to the people from whom it was stolen. Both options are bad because they involve stealing money, but the first option is less bad because it steals less money.
there is no real difference
But there is a real difference, because with the free healthcare system, then citizens keep more of their own money within their own pockets - where it belongs. In addition, a free healthcare system allows them to access medical services that they might not otherwise be able to afford.
But ideally, the government should not steal any money from anybody, and then most people would be able to afford to pay for the healthcare they need. share
But with free healthcare, at least the government returns some of the money that it has stolen to the people from whom it stole said money, via medical services that they don't have to pay for again.
You think the government is returning your money, or providing you with a benefit, but what they are really doing is robbing you of your freedom and independence.
If I steal your money, build a cage with it, and then lock you inside of it, am I really "retuning your money" to you? Of course not.
In contrast, with no free healthcare system, then none of that stolen money is returned to the people from whom it was stolen.
That's not how the tax system works. The government doesn't collect some static lump sum from the taxpayers and then divy it up among various outstanding departments and programs. In other words, if the government implements what you refer to as a "free healthcare system", they are not going redirect money away from the military and national-security state to do it, while maintaining taxes at the present level. Instead, they will simply raise taxes to pay for the extra program.
That's why the government is generally always raising and implementing new taxes.
Both options are bad because they involve stealing money, but the first option is less bad because it steals less money.
I'm not really sure where you are getting this idea from. No country with socialized healthcare pays less in taxes than they used to. Without exception, socialized healthcare means a tax increase.
But there is a real difference, because with the free healthcare system, then citizens keep more of their own money within their own pockets - where it belongs.
No they don't, since, again, socialized healthcare ALWAYS means higher taxes.
In addition, a free healthcare system allows them to access medical services that they might not otherwise be able to afford.
The reverse is true. Socialized healthcare removes competition and incentive to innovate, which results in fewer services of a much lower standard of quality over time.
This means your "free healthcare" robs people of the ability to access to better, more advanced medical services whether they can afford them or not.
But ideally, the government should not steal any money from anybody, and then most people would be able to afford to pay for the healthcare they need.
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Carpenter said this film is a metaphor about Reaganomics and greed in the 1980s. The aliens represent Republicans and yuppies. It's more relevant today than ever before. Vapid pop culture, mindless entertainment and consumer culture have been used to dumb down and brainwash American's into being near zombies. That was the point he was making and unfortunately the message didn't have much of an impact because things have only gotten worse since then. The world really does need a wake up call!
shareThat explanation makes no sense, since Republicans and yuppies are not hidden in society like the aliens in the movie are. No one needs special understanding or insight (represented by the sunglasses in the movie) to see them. So Carpenter was clearly not being truthful when he gave that response.
So we are left having to ask ourselves who Carpenter was really talking about. Which group of people, hidden in society and possessing immense wealth, influence, and media control was Carpenter really talking about? Who is it he was afraid to name directly?
Correct answer: Jews.
which group of people, hidden in society and possessing immense wealth, influence, and media control was Carpenter really talking about?
I think it is the rich elite capitalist ruling class. Not even just the top 1%...but more like the top tenth of the top 1%. share
I think it is the rich elite capitalist ruling class. Not even just the top 1%...but more like the top tenth of the top 1%.
Carpenter wouldn't have used *hidden aliens in disguise* to represent them in the movie if they were only garden variety wealthy elite capitalists. After all, wealthy elite capitalists like Rockefeller, Ford, Gates, Carnegie have always been openly covered front and center in the corporate media and widely known by the public at large.
There is only one demographic, one group of people in society that could possibly fit the *hidden aliens in disguise* stereotype represented in the movie, and that's Jews. Jews not only have overwhelmingly disproportionate control over the media and banking system, as pointed out in the movie, but they also have a long history of disguising themselves (nose and facial operations, adoption of Christian sounding names, etc...) to fit in better in white, Christian societies.
The movie is clearly about the ruling Jewish oligarchy. share
The aliens represent Republicans
Yourself and the other democrat-defenders really should watch this documentary film:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
It does an excellent job of showing how republicans and democrats are both - and to an equal extent - evil scum who are puppets owned by the rich elite ruling class. share
I don't surrender to evil. And if I were you I'd get some psychiatric help.
shareI don't surrender to evil. And if I were you I'd get some psychiatric help.
Yes, facts you are ill-equipped to refute are "evil", scary things. Said every sheeple ever.
How do you know it's not you who needs psychiatric help? share
You beat me to it! I was going to say the same thing. I just wish I had a pair of those glasses. It'd be much easier to know who to avoid without having to (attempt) to engage them in intelligent conversation first.
share*beep* jews are shutting down the boards. They live!
And don't waste time reading this line, it's just my pointless signature.