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Rex chose most stupid way


Rex has three options after Raymond admission: he chose most stupid way.
Rex's Options:
First, he could inform the police. Police could try many ways to ensure that Raymond was guilty or not, such as:
1. They could show his picture on TV or somewhere to ask if any women has seen this man doing any suspicious behavior (like inviting women to his car in a strange way) or any other hysteric behavior.
2. By searching his home and investigating his family, checking his writing and everything and doing many similar actions.
3. By local investigations: his home was in the square which they know that the criminal lives there. They could investigate from local guys, from cafe workers, check his coming and going history, check old and new camera recordings …

It was a very reasonable way to do.

Second, he could personally act to force Raymond to confess for instance by beating or threatening him.

Third, drinking the coffee to repeat the events that happened for his lover!
When you are full of hate and anger from someone, how can you trust on him in the most dangerous and stupid way? Even if Rex hadn't other chance to know the truth, this way wasn't explainable. This was a very stupid and unbelievable way to choose, especially when Raymond said in the car that the murder isn't a bad thing in my opinion.



There are only two tragedies in life:one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it

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wow.

did you actually watch the film? if yes, is it simply a lack of empathy or did you not pay attention?

even ray himself answered every single part of your post. word for word even.

wow.

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therefdotcom replied Feb 8, 2016
wow.

did you actually watch the film? if yes, is it simply a lack of empathy or did you not pay attention?

even ray himself answered every single part of your post. word for word even.

wow.

wow.

You actually believe if a character in a movie explains it and claims it makes sense, then it does? Do you have a mind of your own? Do you possess common sense?

No intelligent person would make the choices Rex made, or do anything Rex did. If you believe Rex's actions were logical because the man in the movie told you so, then like I said, no intelligent person would do what Rex did. Draw your own conclusions as to what type of person that would make you.

Anyone who could even attempt to rationalize those actions...well, the movie man did tell you it makes sense....

wow

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"You actually believe if a character in a movie explains it and claims it makes sense, then it does? Do you have a mind of your own? Do you possess common sense? "

tripple lol factor. almost .. just almost deserveed a rofl-copter.

"No intelligent person would make the choices Rex made, or do anything Rex did."

Explained in the film. Btw, which actions in particular?

"If you believe Rex's actions were logical"

They weren't. Explained in the film.

"because the man in the movie told you so"

no fourth wall was broken, so he wasn't telling ME.

"then like I said"

wrote.

" no intelligent person would do what Rex did"

Has nothing to do with intelligence. Explained in the film.

"Draw your own conclusions as to what type of person that would make you."

A person that got their loved one ripped out of their arms at the height of their happiness. Important Factor. Explained in the movie.

"Anyone who could even attempt to rationalize those actions"

a) He wasn't rational. See above.
b) What actions in particular?

"well, the movie man did tell you it makes sense"

Hmm, yer either not the sharpest tool in the shed or didn't see the movie. Let me guess: both?

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Have to agree; there were options Rex could've taken.

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He was aware of that, but didn’t take them. Explained in the movie.

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I agree. I liked the film and appreciate the dark twist of Rex choosing to do what he did, but it was really a terrible option to go with and hardly the only one. I'm not even convinced the killer wouldn't have confessed everything under interrogation, either. He wasn't exactly an expert at this. The movie made a point of showing that with all his failed kidnapping schemes. And he wasn't a particularly good liar if you think about it. His daughter was sort of into him early on. And his wife hit him with the mileage detail and he gave the crappiest bs answer in history and only got away with it because she was a pushover. He also liked taunting too much, like him asking the coworker "what if I did it?" Or all the taunting of Rex he did. So I think he'd give up the info that Rex wanted if taken by the cops. And Rex knew this guy wanted Rex to know everything one way or another anyway because why else keep taunting him. He was practically dying to tell him. So he definitely should've gone to the police. But yes I also get Rex's issue was that he became obsessed and wasn't thinking clearly. That doesn't mean the better choices weren't there.


Also Rex gave the most pathetic beat down (under the circumstances) in history. Hitting him with an open hand? It was like two little kid brothers fighting because one told mom that the other smoked a cigarette.

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you are missing one important factor: rex is obsessed. he is not in his right mind. is obsession to find out what happened to saskia already destroyed his new relationship and he drove him to the edge of losing everything else as well.

the other dude would have just let it be, if it wasn't for rex not being able to do so. it wasn't part of his original plan, but he grew fascinated with rex' bheavior and he knew exactly how he would get him. he gave him one chance to find out, which was the only thing that was left in rex' mind and he took it. with everything that happened before, there was no way he would act any differently.

"Also Rex gave the most pathetic beat down (under the circumstances) in history."

as rex said it: he wasn't even angry with the guy, he just wanted to find out.

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I'm missing that Rex is obsessed?? "But yes I also get Rex's issue was that he became obsessed and wasn't thinking clearly. That doesn't mean the better choices weren't there."

Umm...

Also the fight is more of a subjective thing I guess, but if he wasn't mad, why did he rush him and attack for his first reaction? If he honestly wasn't mad and didn't want to fight, I think he would've been more like those guys who yell and stick out their chests and ACT like they want to fight but delay enough to make sure their friends hold them back. There would've been some pushing and threats maybe but instead Rex did attack him, and that suggests some measure of anger and frustration that took him beyond the act of true pacifism or "I'm not mad" status.

But the way he fought, since he commit himself for a few seconds, really seemed more appropriate for someone fighting about something like who ate the last chocolate bar or something. Again, subjective, I guess, but even the killer then asked if he was finished, sort of like you'd say to someone who just threw a pathetic little kid tantrum. We know it was more than a tantrum because of the high stakes, and yet that was still how it came off. IMO.

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the "better options" were long gone. i think in the book was shorter, but in the film it was 8 years until rex was contacted by the antagonist. 8 years and he was still going on about losing someone he did not even knew for that long.

the fight was more about rex feeling helpless and growing further upset. the guy that kidnap saskia wasnt his main focus. if it was, he would have brought a gun and just jacked him.

rex had nothing to win in the fist fight. the other dude knew that it wasn't a matter of rage and how rex would eventually behave. he still had rex blackmailed with the only thing that grew important to him: finding out. he simply KNEW. rex was feeding his obsession over 8 years. in a way he was already insane at that point. and he already commited so far. even kicking and screaming, rex knew that eventually he would cave in to get the only thing to find relief. just keep in mind, he actually ended up drinking the coffee. doesn't that say enough about his state of mind? what did he expect would be the outcome? something positive?



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SPOILER WARING...pretty much everything below this line...

Ok, yeah, again, I'm not really arguing that he was overcome by his obsession. Clearly that was what drove him. But that doesn't mean he didn't have other options, which I think was Javad-tk's point in the OP, and which I happened to agree with. The idea that the "better options" were long gone just doesn't make sense to me. They were there. The film made a special point to show us they were there, and that Rex was very much aware of them. This is why he threw the first cup of poison in Ray's face and walked away. He had decided to go with a different, better option, at least on the surface. His obsession brought him back, of course, but that doesn't negate the fact that he was aware of other options, and that drinking the poison was certainly a bad idea.

But even that doesn't get to the real underlying problem that I (and think the OP) was driving at.

Let me put it this way: If Rex chooses to go with Ray, he is not guaranteed to find out what happened to Saskia. He is taking a leap of faith that Ray will tell/show him the truth. Ray, remember, is a kidnapper, probably worse, and he's been messing with Rex for 8 years or whatever it's been. Rex knows this.

We know, as the audience seeing both sides, that Ray will probably show Rex what he really did (although there is some debate about that even on these message boards...we can assume Ray kept that promise but there is a possibility he did not). But all Rex knows is that Ray is a kidnapper, likely a murderer, and he's been screwing with him for years. And now he's taking a leap of faith to trust that he's being straight with him??

On the other hand...

If Rex chooses to go to the police, he is also taking a leap of faith: that they can help put Ray away and get him to confess what he did to Saskia.

Either way, Rex must a leap of faith: either with the cops who will probably initially doubt him and might find nothing, or with the killer who has a history of screwing with Rex's emotions and mind.

The critical difference is, if he's wrong about Ray telling the truth, then he doesn't find out his answer, plus he's dead. He NEVER finds out. But if he goes to the police, even if they can't find the truth or arrest Ray, Rex is STILL ALIVE to investigate on his own, much more focused search for the Answer. Rex's obsession, focused onto one man, has a pretty decent chance of turning up something. It wouldn't be too hard to find out about the 2nd house, nor would it be tough to suspect Saskia might be buried there. You know Rex would start digging, and he'd probably have ample opportunity even if Ray got a restraining order against him (it's a secluded, second home often left unattended).

So again, who to trust? What to do? Trust a killer and die? Or trust the police and have your personal mission focus onto one guy in the event that they fail?

If it's about obsession, Rex still has to consider these options for the sake of logic in terms of which option will BEST FEED that obsession. And to me, logic dictates that he has more opportunity to find out what happened to Saskia if he goes to the police and lives, than if he puts his whole world in Ray's hands and dies. Even if he has no confidence in the police, he still has himself should they fail.

One might say his obsession clouded this logic, which could be true but is a whole other issue. Certainly Rex knew he was dead when he chose to go with Ray. He was okay with that because he thought he would get his answer.

But I would argue that doesn't mean that was WHY he ultimately made that choice, for the reasons outlined above: logically, he'd have a better/safer chance of finding the answer (eventually) by going to the police and living than by trusting a madman and dying.

I think he chose to go with Ray because the Answer wasn't the only thing weighing on him. Here are a couple thoughts: He was tired/mentally exhausted and just wanted this obsession to be over. Ray provided him with the possibility to end it right there, and even if Ray was lying, Rex would never know anyway, so it was good enough. OR... He was maybe suicidal on a subconscious level, but couldn't bring himself to do anything about that until he got an answer. In this case, Ray provided the answer (maybe) and the "suicide" by murder. OR... Maybe he felt guilty enough for Saskia's death that dying by Ray's hand provided the only fitting punishment. The list of possibilities goes on and on...

But none of this takes away the fact that Rex DID have other, better choices, he WAS aware of other choices, and he still chose to doom himself. And ultimately, he could never be absolutely certain Saskia was buried alive, too. Perversely, he probably WANTED to believe that, but he also probably kept wondering about it all the way to the last breath.

And so, in the word's of Mr. Gump, "That's all I have to say about that."

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The important point you and most others are missing is that the dream that Saskia and Rex had. At one point of time, Rex was about to give up on finding about her. He had almost consoled Lieneke when he had that dream of being trapped inside golden egg in space along with Saskia. That meant to him that he had to go through what she did to be united with her, as he clearly had existential crisis in this life and did not know what to do.

In short, he was not looking for survival (neither was he looking for a happy life with a relationship - that's why he rejected Lieneke).

A film works in the context of the film itself, not according to the perception of life of the viewer. Expecting the latter is a serious mistake made by most mainstream audiences.

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To bolster that point, let's not forget Rex initially rejects the coffee and throws it in Ray's face, he's still thinking the rational thoughts that people have posted above. However, then he rediscovers the two coins buried in that exact spot, symbolising his pledge to never leave Saskia alone. The dreams, the coins, the recurring theme of destiny all come together - Rex must also be buried to find peace.

It's a genius ending. Here's a man buried in the earth, going delirious with his last breaths, but at peace because he knew pure selfless love. Whereas Ray, the sociopathic kidnapper and murderer, has the apparently idyllic family life, but it's all a lie. The film ends with him sitting in loneliness, having killed the only person he could be totally honest with, such is his curse.

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