I saw this film before I had ever been to America and didnt imagine it was based in real life. I am from the UK and there are no sororities here. Can you believe my shock when I found out the whole light skin dark skin sorority thing existed. Pure shock horror I tell ya!
shareYea it is very common here. Not just in sororities either. I am light-skinned with long hair and i get "hated on" all the time. I don't consider myself better than someone who is darker than me or happens to have shorter hair but most poeple assume that i am.
shareYeah I also think that the movie took what sometimes happens and exaggerated it. Sometimes it seems that I get people asking me "Why did you relax your hair" when I do and then are like "you have great hair" when I have it natural. So there still is some of that "Hair" or "skin" defines you and not the other way around. At the end of the day, I don't think it matters to personality.
shareI am darker with kinky hair and I have actually have been told that I would be prettier if I were a bit lighter.
Pretty comes in all sorts of shades ... for that matter so does ugly.
It's not just in sororities. It buried in American society. We are taught the best people have light skin and straight hair. I don't think hair or skin should matter. It's what's in your heart and mind that should make a person ... I sound like a cliche, but I believe it's true.
Tru' dat...
A lot of people on my mom's side are pretty light, but I'm really dark (comes from my father's side of the family), and I've really never thought much of it...black is black to me, it's how you carry yourself that matters.
What an insensitive jackass to tell you something like that!
I don't have low self esteem. I have low esteem for everyone else.-Daria
sadly its very true here in the US...
i was about to slap my cousin
over the phone lines when she said that the girls on campus were
jealous of her because of her long hair (which only comes to the middle
of her neck) and light skin.... and had the nerve to ask me if i get
hated on like that at my campus!!! i said maybe they dont like
you because your personality sucks, and that you think your better
than they are because of your lighter skin!
i could scream now! i cant stand black people who are so color stuck!
:: i said maybe they dont like you because your personality sucks,::
Too funny!!!
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How is that a slave mentality if you have a personal preference as to what you determine is beauty. If you say all light complexions are beautiful or vice versa, that may seem narrow minded, but how is that related to slavery. I'm bored with the connection with slavery and the modern day choices of beauty.
Backup will come if needed.....
Because certain looks are deemed beautiful because of the legacy left from slavery. House slaves vs Field slaves... The fact that many bi racial slaves were left money behind by their rich slave owner fathers and as a result formed a "mulatto elite."
all of this effects present day relations...
i said maybe they dont like you because your personality sucks,
I know for a fact that is a fact. I am very light skin with hair to the middle of my back and I never had any problems. I treat everyone with respect and I don't think or act any better then anyone else. We black people are all the same, there is no such thing as a better black person. To white folks that these confused negroes want to please, we are all the same. And these confused black people need to know that no matter how they might think they are better then the next black person they need to understand to the white man and to everyone else they are just another n@gg@r. And if they think that anyone respects them they need to respect who they are before they can earn respect from anyone.
I know a confused negro that lives down the block from me. She claims she is a indian, what tribe lord only knows, she says she is a indian though. She claims she has mostly white friends because black people tease her because she is mixed, with what I don't know. Mixed up I say. She uses hair straightner and she looks like black girl, not mixed. She claims she never had slaves in her family. I told her the shame is not being the slave, but being the slave owner is. ANd how did she know that? No answer. She works as a Aid in a home and she constantly puts down the West Indians that work there. I had to remind her that my father is a Jamaican. And that Haitians have the hightest per capital income of any immigrant in this country. You see the girl forgets because I am very light that perhaps I think like her. In the end I relized that I could not help her after pointing out that her various white friends have treated her like a slave and other numerous problems. One invited her to their house for dinner and the made her use paper plates and plastic forks! Her brother told me this. She insulted one of my child hood friends by saying she didn't talk to them because their father wasn't around. Meantime my friend has some big wig computer job in Columbia county, her husband was a Asronaut, her brother is a judgein Illinois and her sister is a VP at Lasalle Bank. But all she could do is conger up a job as a health aid at the local home and her brothers have done nothing to brag about. Nothing is wrong with her job but she should not insult other people who clearly have done better then she or her family...without a father! So yes it's not because she mixed(which she is not) that people are jealous of her It is because she acts ugly. And no one is jealous of her they just don't like her because of her bad attitude.
i said maybe they dont like you because your personality sucks,
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I know for a fact that is a fact. I am very light skin with hair to the middle of my back and I never had any problems. I treat everyone with respect and I don't think or act any better then anyone else."
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Okay not to sound rude, but that's a load of crap...I'm fair-skinned and have long hair (it's kinky but still long) and have had other black people diss me all of the time because of it and call me names like "High Yellow Bitch" "Oreo" "White Girl" "House Negro" "Casper" etc...None of these people even took the time to know me or what I'm about and automatically decided they were going to disrespect me due to my appearence...For the record I'm very humble and demure in person and am NOTHING like the Gamma Rays or your neighboor that you described...I don't refer to other black people as "jiga*boos" or use any other racial slurs. I could give a rat's ass what other people want to do with their hair. I have nothing but black people in my family and when someone asks me what race I am, or asks if I'm mixed, I tell them no and that I am African American. I don't look down on people with dark skin or indigenious features or think I'm better than them ; I have NEVER IN MY LIFE insulted, or discriminated against or judged ANYBODY based on their looks....And yet I am the one whose always been on the recieving end of it and you're basically saying if I get treated that way it's because I act like the Gamma Rays...I know for a fact that, that is FALSE. Colorism is a two-way street. It's not just fair-skinned minorities that are guilty of it.
That's what bugged me about this film (even though it's a good film and deserves a higher rating on this site). It reinforced stereotypes about fair-skinned black women that aren't true all of the time. The Gammites were the antagonists too but all of them weren't light-skinned, they had varied shades. And in comparison they weren't as color struck or "white wantabes" compared to their female counterparts...
Overall the Gammites were just a bunch of run-of-the-mill douchebags that took themselves and their fraternity way WAAAAY more seriously than it really was. And there's groups like that on EVERY campus.
I think some people saw this film and thought "All light-skinned girls must act like that" and figured it was perfectly okay to say stuff like "I don't mess with high yellow girls" or "You think you better than me because you're yellow"....But then again this film is almost as old as I am, I figured now people are little more open-minded and know that you should respect each other and not judge ANYBODY by their looks or by what they saw in a movie.
"Dabblin'in water colors,Eddie?"
Okay not to sound rude, but that's a load of crap...I'm fair-skinned and have long hair (it's kinky but still long) and have had other black people diss me all of the time because of it and call me names like "High Yellow Bitch" "Oreo" "White Girl" "House Negro" "Casper" etc...
Wow , this sounds exactly like what I have dealt with most of my life. I think that I have personally dealt with more racism from my own d@mn race than I have from other races. It just p!sses me off that people are just that damn ignorant.
What's crazy is that I'm dark skinned and have long hair. Lucky for me, I'm more of a clique-wanderer. I'm up to hang out with anyone. Color struck people are what's slowing the world down.
shareI noticed that the darker AKA's always had European features or very long striaght/wavey hair... the darker ones had to make up for it by being "non-black" in some other way... Sad but true!
shareIt's kinda scary, but all of this stuff yall are saying is true.
if you all think the light / skin dark skin thing is an "american" issue that is exclusive to "america" you are quite naive. it is an international cultural problem as well and it has existed since long before the founding of "america."
shareI agree. I am looking at School Daze which I haven't seen in years. That color complex stuff is all over the place. My father is Jamaican it is alive and going strong over there. I have to say that most countries that were colonized by white Europeans have that problem. For the reason someone said early. It started on the Plantation. Divide and Conquer. Also it is not just in the black community it is is in most races. THe southern darker East Indians are looked upon differently then the lighter ones up north. The Silician Italians are sometimes called black Italians and they are regardered differently then the Northern Italians who have fair skin. Even in Africa for some reason they want to call any part of Africa below Egypt Sub-Shahara, whatever in the heck that means. Funny they don't call the southern part of North America Sub American. In my opinion unless the black community get past this color complex mess we will never be in in a real good place. It is a disgrace.
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It is very sad. I think colorism is showed more in the country than racism. Alot of black people feel that they have to be light skin to be pretty or they have to have that "good" hair to be pretty. I'm light brown to med brown skin with long hair. It isnt "good" its actually on the course side and its crazy because some people feel that I'm to light for the dark people and to dark for the light people and it shouldn't be like that. I have a friend who is a little bit lighter than me but she secretly think's she's high yella! (haha I guess she says that to make herself feel better) She show's colorism on another level. She doesnt even talk to dark skin fellas because she feels they arent good enough for her and she just didnt get like that. Her parents are like that. Her parents dont like dark skin people. Its sad because my father is dark skin (like cedric the entertainer) and my mom is brown skin (like Nona Gaye) and I'm lighter than both my parents and I get comments like dang, where u get ur color from? As far as the akas go... do we really wanna get into that? haha I was looking up colorism cause I'm doing a research paper on it and not just greek organization played apart of in that. They even had articles about the NAACP displaying colorism. Its wrong and it shouldnt exist but it is what is is. Some people are hard to change. What really gets me is that people are in denial and wont admit that they show colorism.
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It is very sad. IMO It really doesn't matter I think so much about where you were raised then who you were raised by. It seems that all of the confused negro's come from families that adhere to the color complex philosophy.
For example I know of three black families both live in mostly all white neighborhoods. Two live on the same block. One is that confused woman I was talking about earlier, the other was the family she shunned because the father wasn't around. The confused ones parents never talked about anything black. The father, yes the father chased white women all of the time and they even had a exchange student from DENMARK, not Native American, not a black person or Latino from the inner city or Africa or the West Indies, but a white woman from Denmark. THe older brother is a cop and that is a frightening thing because he never met a black person he liked. THe other family mother always instilled in them who they were. You would go into their house and you would see pictures and books about black people, little things like that. The other family lives across town and the mother who was my best friend(she died) husband was a white guy and they lived in a very upper class white neighborhood. She and her husband made sure that their children knew who they were and that no matter what they were black girls. They have a older son who was very vigilant. When Sabrina's cancer came back and she knew she did not have long to go she made sure her husband did not change his philosophy. ANd he has not. One of the girls could pass for a Indian(asian) and the other one looks like she is white and they pull no punches about who their mother is. Of course now they are in high school their new friends are in shock to see who their mother is, but they are proud of her. So it has something to do with who raised you.
I know black people raised in the middle of black neighborhoods and just as confused as the first woman I was talking about. One time this black guy who dropped off a turnip truck from South Carolina had the nerve to tell me right in the middle of a bar to look at some "ugly black woman and she looked like coal". Well I let him know right then and there that I am not one of those light skin women that think it is ok to put down ANY BLACK WOMEN! I was hot. He was short and he was darker then the woman he was talking about! This has happened more then a few times. But wait a minute. I also know black people who have money and are dark skin who won't even talk to other dark skin black people! I went to school with more then a few of them and I live near a few too.
The black community better come together because if it doesn't we will never succeed as a whole. We have black americans hating west indians and africans, and visa versa. When is it going to end?
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I too, know of darker skinned Blacks who don't even associate with other darker skinned Black folks yet they love to seek the friendship of anyone non-Black or if light skinned.
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Well your story is the classic story that black people are never looked upon as being fully competent, sadly even to other black people too. You have a Affirmative Action degree, in these idiots eyes. You took nothing but easy classes in that secret part of all University's including the Yale, Harvard etc., that is in the basement of that abandoned building that all black students go to on campus. That is how they perceive we get our degree's Even though white people have been getting into colleges with legacy slots for years and white women have been using Affirmative Action too. No those Affirmative Action degree's are only reserved for black people.
How many times has a black person been more willing to listened to a white person even if they clearly have less expertise then the black person? I am sure you have encountered that problem more then a few times. White people over the years have had a history of treating black people as child like. And some confused black people have let that way of thinking rub off on them. How many cases have we heard of black people having some mid or low level job for a million years, train white people, only to be looked over as far as promotions. White people call black men "boy"..because even a grown man is a child to them..as long as they stay away from their women. I guess they are full blown men then.
No matter how many credentials you have you will never be up to snuff. A good example was last seasons The Apprentice. You might have heard about this. There was a black man named Randel who was a Rhodes Scholar, or should I say a Affirmative Action Rhodes Scholar. He also had a doctorate from either MIT or Yale one of those heavyweight colleges, numerous credentials. I mean a Affirmative Action Doctorate. He was a star and even Trump acknowledged that through out the season. When it came to pick people from teams the other people always picked him, that is how good he was on the show. There was also white woman named Rebecca, she lost most of her tasks, she let her feelings about this incompetent friend of hers cloud her judgment. She was ok and she was a graduate of the UN of Chicago. She had a good talk to her but she was very condescending. Maybe during another season she would of been good, but compared to Randel she was not even in the same league. People liked her because she was "pretty" and I have to say because she was not black. The last few weeks she had Randel as her teammate, so he made her look better. She had to make a commercial and it was Randel that told her they needed to go without the actors they have hired. He also told her to abscond these blow horns, both of these ideas were crucial in them winning two tasks she was partnered up with him. IMO there were other contestants on the show that were better then she was. I think luck helped her a lot. Don't get me wrong she was good. In any case the last tasks was to have fund raisers. Well she didn't raise any money for her fund raiser. Of course all of her fans were making up stupid excuses for her not raising any money for her her fund raiser. Even though she forgot to even highlight the charity she was raising funds for. THis was a AIDS charity in the heart of lower Manhattan and she could not raise money for that! If you went to the event you would think the charity was Yahoo, the sponsor because that is who she highlighted. Randel's fund raiser was rained out but he had it inside this stadium and raised money. He made some mistakes too. The weather report mentioned that it was going to be a nice day, but later the report had changed over the night. But as you know he is black so he is not allowed to make mistakes, but if the white woman made one they all had excuses for her. The final is live on TV. The winner gets to run one of Trumps building projects for a year. By now all of Rebecca's fans are in a frenzy, hoping that Trumps picks BOTH of them to win. I still can't figure out where they got that idea from. Well Randel eventually wins. While he is celebrating his win. Trump comes out of nowhere on national tv and asks would Randel mind if he gave Rebecca a job too? Lord I said to myself I cannot believe this, please say h@ll no. Randel does exactly that. He told Trump this show is called the Apprentice not the Apprentii and there is only suppose to be one winner. He was right. People had a fit. How could he do such a thing, how dare he do that, he is a bad sport. In other words how dare that n*gg*r refuse a white woman like that on national TV! I said if Trump wanted to hire her he sure did not have get permission from Randel to do it. He was just making Drama and at the same time making the black man into the villain! Now mind year in the previous years Trump has never asked the winner who btw have all been white up to now if they wanted to share their win with the other person, even though most the losers in the previous years were much better then Rebecca. Randel stated later that he was expecting Trump to ask that because of the buzz before the final, so he was prepared. Sad.
Now here is a classic example on how no matter what a black person excelled they were not good enough and they were expected to capitulate to a white person who clearly was not as competent as they were. I want to say that she was so out of his league I mentioned that if was even if it were some of the finalists in the past years I could even justify a little Trump asking that question. But this woman was not that good. But because she was white she was as equal or better in people eyes then any black person who went against her in competition, not even a Rhodes Scholar was good enough
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Oh I am very vigilant. You just don't know the mess I have seen and heard. White people I am white. I have heard racist remarks coming from people who you would think are the nicest people in the world. I have seen my friends and family members ignored while people will wait on me. It is so obvious my mother has worked out a system and she sends me to get things.
I have learned through the years that racist are have a multiple personality disorder. Example let us say that black people on your job are complaining about a boss who they feel is a racist. You will have a chorus of white people denying that this person is. He is the nicest person you would ever want to work with. Of course these cases eventually end up in court. Well I have found that the white people who are the supporters have a basis to say that the accused is so nice. Why? Because he has a split personality and they only see the non racists one. Just like the black people only see the racist one. There was a boss in one of my first jobs that black people told me to watch out for. So he was on a different shift but sometimes he worked overtime and I would eventually run into him. Well the day comes that I had to go into his office. Now remember I am a black woman thinks she looks like a black woman. So of course I was ready to see Lester Maddox. I go into the office and there is the sweetest man. I thought before I got out of there he was going to ask me for a date! Well I was ready to go to one of my black co workers and say I don't know what you are all talking about, but I stopped myself and said wait a minute he thinks I'm white!
How many times have black people been demonized and dismissed when they complain about racists behavior. Well how can you prove something if the accused person has a split personality? That is just the tip of the iceberg of the things I have seen. I don't let anyone get away with anything. Both of my parents a black. I am not mixed, I am a black woman. And if there is any question about that the question is cleared up as soon as I run into either the confused negro, who I believe is just as bad as the racists because they allow themselves to be used as tools against black people by racist. And as soon as I run into a one of those multiple personality racists
"I am very strong and very militant when it comes to Blacks achieving their dreams."
You are my new best friend.
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In India the darker ones are called Untouchables. they are the Caste furthest away from God, and the lightest ones are closests (Brahmins)...
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If you are talking about the idiots who think if it is so simple for us to get a degree why don't all of take advatage of the free trip. Well they are not thinking reasonably. They do not take it to the second level.
Now if we are talking about reality and why more Black people are not going to college. Well I think it is a few reasons. The first is that on a basic level most people in this country don't go to college. In white high schools they are dumbing down cirriculum and giving kids social promotions. By the time they graduate they don't know who Chistopher Columbus is. I went to a private school. Do you know that most elitie colleges were offering full scholarships to us, no matter if you were on the bottom or top of your class. The vast majority of students were white and rich. And today I still am in contact with some and a lot of them never went to college and took advantage of the oppurtunity or they dropped out. So on a basic level most people do not graduate.
The next reason is that in a lot of black high schools they don't even let the kids know what is out there for them to take advatage of. My mother was a Special Ed teacher and she saw the mess that was going on. This is a school on Long Island and they still don't have a computer lab. Not because there is no computers , it is because the computers are laying dormat in the weight room. So I believe a lot of times the schools let the black students down. I have never seen school districts so into finding the next great athlete then finding the next great scholar.
Next I think it is that a lot of kids even if they got scholarships cannot take advantage of them because they need to go to work.
Next, and I hate to say this. In the black community self hatred is so deep that if you try to better yourself and go get a education you are seen as a cop out. So a lot of students are encouraged to do bad because doing good makes you a punk.
And lastly who raised you and who had the most influence in your family. If they are pro-active about education then you are going to be. I can always tell a person who grew up in a house with people who were not pro-active about education. They hate reading.
Once again if bkack people do not get out of the cycle we seem to be stuck in most of us will remain on the fringes of society. Because in the long run , white folks are going to look out each other college or not. But there is no one to look out for us.
Marbleann, it's me, Andsan3. I actually have two poster identities (drandie2 and andsan3--due to using husband's computer and mine). I wanted to hit on what you said earlier.
I agree with some of what you said, however, I'm not in agreement with other things you mentioned. I'll explain.
True. We as a Black people do not have anyone watching after us when it comes to helping one another out with trying to further ourselves. It's more like "I've got mine...now you have to find a way to get yours." But one would think (at least I did), that it gets tiring and one becomes upset when they see 'others' around them receiving accolades for having degrees that it pushes you, enourages you to want to succeed. Shoot. When I was younger and I saw all the madness happening around me, unfairness, etc., I wanted to move ahead but to never forget that I have to give back.
There are plenty of families I know who were not pro-active about furthering educational endeavors but their children went onto college and have several degrees at hand. They're doing very well.
When you said that "most people in this country don't go to college", do you mean our fellow Black people or everyone? The reason why I ask is because over the years, there has been an increase of our people attending college. True, while there was/is an increase in the percentages of us going, some of us unfortunately don't finish. That is a very sad reality. However, for those elite schools that are giving these full rides to us, we, as a people, need to jump on that and take it and claim it and not look back. If we have to work jobs because of outstanding whatever, then we can still work jobs and maintain our status as a student by continuing with our studies. See. What gets me mad is that sometimes, we find (and I'm not saying you Marbleann, so please don't take it as I am meaning you), excuses for not going to school and furthering our education: for example: "I don't want to pay back loans", "I need to work", "People think I'm trying to be white if I go to school or am trying to sell myself out" etc. IMO, it shouldn't matter what anyone thinks! We have our own minds so we need to use them and not worry about who thinks what of us. See. That all goes back to the slave days. We (our people) were/are so wound up about what massa thought of us that we didn't care about our own wellness. Screw that! These days, we need (as a people) to get it together and do something about this. If we continue to carry on the white man's legacy, we are going to find ourselves going back 250 years plus, instead of going forward. Plain and simple as that.
I agree with you when you say that schools "dumb down" curriculum. Usually those schools are the ones who place the white students in advanced (AP) courses whereas the Blacks are taking lower level coursework. Something needs to be done about that. There should be more recruitment of us as teachers in the forefront to make these changes. I know it won't happen overnight but we can make it happen. Of course this country has a bone-head of a president who starts this NCLB bull which hasn't been funded since it began in 2000 and all this does is bottleneck the number of Black teachers who could make a change in these classrooms. They make it very hard to attain a teacher's license and make one go through all the nonsense testing just to be able to teach. My feeling is this. If you have a good job (whatever the occupation--as long as it's legit), then why not permit one to gain access to teaching? Hey, if you can read, write, add, subtract, multiply, and divide, there shouldn't be a problem. But Bush is only making it harder for our people. Like I said. If we don't further our education, we don't further our minds and we are going to find ourselves going back to the days of 'ol massa. Girl, we seriously have got to get it together. I'm giving back with teaching and with working on controversial publications to further continue to carry the torch and exploit the infinite wrongs which have been placed upon us. I'll have my website up soon. I will let you know when I do.
In the end, there isn't anybody looking out for us, so we've got to get off the high horse and realize it ain't gonna happen and to start looking after ourselves. Nobody can control our minds. We are the drivers of our minds and we can be self-driven to attain what was once ours. Mathermatics, medicine, language, they all had beginnings in our Mother Land--Africa. If it was easy to achieve then and yes, we prospered so much that other civilizations were sneaking in, stealing our mess, then we can certainly do so now. These 'other' civilizations had biases then like 'they' do now so nothing has changed in that department. We come from a very long lineage and tradition of resilience and strength. It's ours for the taking. Look, ain't no stopping me! And I'll be damn if anyone will ever stop me. I have to help and give back to my (our) people. I can't do it all by myself, but with whom I can reach, it's very well worth it.
Hi I want to clarify myself. I do know of people who went and got a education and parents were not too involved too much with their education. Those are the children I was talking about that are going to succeed no matter what. It is very hard for the average person to not be influenced by your surroundings and upbringing. It takes a special person to break away and do things on their on.
When I was stating that most people do not go to college. I mean most people in this country. Yes it is true the amount of African Americans seeking a secondary degrees has increased. The numbers show they are not the majority as in most Americans.
The people I am talking about who have to work are people who have part time jobs but people who have to support families. Now I believe when their children get older or when they get older they might seek getting a degree. I want to add something that is another important factor. In NY civil service jobs such as Sanitation and transit workers, Police and Firefighters make more then a Teacher and people with professional degrees and their jobs offer more benefits. I started out as a teacher and ended up in Transit because I made double the salary as a teacher. My cousin graduated from Mt. Holyoke and she works for Probation. So a lot of people don't get degrees here because they took a test got into civil service and never needed to get a degree. Police where I live start at 75,000 and within 3 years they make 133,000. They doesn't give much incentive to get a degree if you are making good money like that with great benefits. If you are single or a only wage holder you are not going to give up a high paying civil service job with good benefits to go to college. Some go back later but on the whole they retire and get a good pension. Civil Service was one of the main ways for black people and minorities to enter the middle class and upper middle class. If you have a spouse working too it would not be uncommon to see them making a combined salary of 300,000 year.
My mother was a Special Ed Teacher and my father was a NYPD Homicide Detective. Together they did very well, but if they were not my fathers job paid much more then my mothers and he never went to college. Even after 30 years of my mother working as a Teacher. I wanted to add a little tidbit. It is not unusual to find in the black community that the woman in the relationship are more educated then the male. I think that goes back to having to work straight out of high school. Among other factors.
I feel the average person has to have encouragement and incentive to do most things that they would normally not do. When a community does not make education as a priority as our community does, and I feel americans on the whole. It takes that extra push to get people on the path to get a degree in most cases. We talk about how good the Asians and Africans are in school. Well it has nothing to do with them being genetically predisposed be smart it has all to do with their communities making education a priority. And until we do that instead of demonizing kids who want to do good in school we might as well be back on the Plantation.
You all should read The Color Complex by. Kathy Russell. Midge Wilson, and Ronald Hall
shareIs anyone here on this post affliated? Or has anyone experienced this division of black greeks vs non greeks when they were in school? Im experiencing it right now. Once you have letters, you are treated completely differently. Greeks rarely converse with non greeks and vice versa.
shareMy sisters were all AKA's so I was told i would get in no matter what b/c of legecy, but all my friends are ZETA's
It's not what people do to you that defines who you are, it's what you do to them.
talking about black peoples complex about the shade of their skin is in exsitence in the u.k but i haven't really experienced it first hand but it is apparent in the culture, such things as magazines and t.v they put in the token black person who sometimes isn't even black (hollyoaks for example) and even black magazines, who put a light skin person on the front cover and have the audacity to mention it in their articles but do not practice wat they preach. we need to stop seeing each other as shades and embrace our differences
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The sunblock thing is true, but not for ignorant reasons-- it's harmful for your skin to be in the sun w/o sunblcok. You SHOULD wear sunblock, in order to protect your skin. :-)
And I give this movie props for doing what practically no movies do--address the skin color and hair issue. Black people act like it's not a problem, and it totally is.
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That's not true. Untouchables is a caste and you have to be born as an untouchable to be regarded as such.
Some Brahmins are brown. Watch "Born Into Brothels"- there's a Brahmin family in that movie and they are all brown.
Yes- in India there are color struck issues, but they don't affect the caste system much. I knew a very upper class family that had a child who was dark skinned. They called him a "brownie" but he wasn't untouchable or anything.
There are some wierd people from India, if you think blacks are bad... don't look at them. I know an Indian woman who refuses to go outside without an umbrella because she's afraid that her skin will darken. I've seen black people do some weird things to avoid darkening their skin, but never that.
Unlike here where lighter skinned blacks often had European features and therefore could "pass" during segregation, over there they all have similar features. The difference is that the field workers darken their skin on the farms and the upper class do not go out much, so they are lighter. It has nothing to do with caste because upper caste people could be born naturally brown. Regardless of caste they could work an assortment of jobs- even ones that are associated with the lower class here.
You're probably closer comparing them to white people- and how whites will tan themselves to make it appear as if they had enough money and free time to take an exotic vacation. Poor whites have no time and money for that, and so they work indoors and are pale. The class factor is made on those terms.
I believe that you were taught that untouchables are dark in the US because that is how we unfortunately are confused about class. But no. Untouchables can be all colors.. as can Brahmins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.R._Ambedkar
The dude in the link above is an untouchable- and he'd be considered very light skinned or even white here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit_%28outcaste%29
I read a book called "The Color Complex" and the authors claimed that mid tone black americans tend not to be color struck.
I find their words to hold true for me. I was never color struck. I am not affected within my family, but outside of my family I am deeply affected and very uncomfortable around blacks who are color struck.
They didn't suggest this, but I think the reason for this is due to how both of the color struck extremes color tones consider middle skin tone people to be acceptable. I didn't notice the color complex until I entered college (there weren't enough black people in my high school for it to have surfaced).
Suddenly there were all of these mean girls. Depending on the group, people were ostracized by weight, skin color, body type, hair texture, and even from the place of origin. In some groups, people from New York city or other urban neighborhoods were more popular than people from small towns. In others, you had to look physically Caucasian or you weren't going to be accepted. In yet others, you had to be as pure African as possible to be accepted. Your legitimacy as a black person was completely dependant on how well you fit in to a specific mold.
The light skinned girls weren't all in the Deltas. All of the black sororities had them.
Although that is somewhat right, its not completely reality. I guess you are talking about Alpha Kappa Alpha and Delta Sigma Theta? Well, I know plenty of women who are dark skinned, but are AKAs and vice versa for Delta Sigma Theta. Although i'm sure on some campuses this stereotype is somewhat true, at my school, its not like that at all. They don't look at skin tone here, they look at you as a person, what you believe in, and what you can do for the organization. But, the fact that this stereotype is sometimes true is really really sad.
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"Yea it is very common here. Not just in sororities either. I am light-skinned with long hair and i get "hated on" all the time. I don't consider myself better than someone who is darker than me or happens to have shorter hair but most poeple assume that i am."
I can relate to that one.
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I'm more of Julian's complexion. I never really found red bones all that attractive (Though, I've ran through quite a few of them in a drunken stupor during high school). A slim chocolate chick with brown eyes will always turn my head. Hell...all of my children (2) are from chocolate chicks. It wasn't by luck. I made a conscious choice to have children with a chocolate chick.
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