As Jim makes his "suicide" ride down the mountain and Denny is shot, Denny falls. That fall looks very real and not staged. Does anyone know what really happened, how badly Denny was hurt, did he really get killed or was that a truly masterfully staged scene?
sharei'm sorry to say but legend has it that Denny's fall was real. he put his foot down a wombat burrow and broke his leg... very sad... :-(
shareThank you. I was pretty sure that the fall was real. It is sad; he was a wonderful animal. Do you happen to know who the rider was and how he fared? That was a really nasty spill!
sharehonestly i dont know, i could only assume it was one of the Lovicks... they did most of the horse stuff in the movie... i dont think he was killed or anything, probably a few broken bones though and a massive headache...
sharePlease dont print lies just because you dont know the real answer.
Denny lived to age 29 - he died in 1999 and was a hard working horse the whole time. The Lovicks have plenty of storys about him on their website and I have a photo of Tom riding Denny in the mid 90s.
Am I ever glad you posted that information. I just watched this movie for the first time and would have been greatly disappointed if in fact that horse had died while making the movie. What a great film!
shareThank you for your answer. Could you please give me the website for the Lovicks. Denny was quite a horse and deserved a long, good life!
shareIm Pretty sure the horses name is dean, not denny
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by - lonestarlass (Sat Dec 10 2005 11:04:46 )
Thank you for your answer. Could you please give me the website for the Lovicks. Denny was quite a horse and deserved a long, good life!
***** Lonestar lass the website is www.lovicks.com.au - if you cant open it - go to my website www.TomBurlinson.info and click on the links page.
by - Claydough79 (Sun Dec 11 2005 17:54:25 )
Im Pretty sure the horses name is dean, not denny
**** Claydough79 you may be pretty sure - but you are also pretty wrong. Denny was named Denny from the day he was born until the day he died, it was also his name in both of the Snowy films and the Snowy books. Hope that clarfies it for you.
The Lovicks have plenty of storys about him on their website...Lonestar lass the website is www.lovicks.com.au ...
Sorry, I looked at every page of the Lovick's website, and the ONLY mention of the movies (with no mention of the horse at all) is on the front page as follows:
"In 1978, the Lovick family were immortalised through their involvement in the screening of the film "The Man From Snowy River" with Charlie Lovick accredited as 'Master of Horse' and in 1987 when the second movie was made, Charlie taught Tom Burlinson to ride for the Snowy River Films."
If you can provide a more precise URL for the page where the Lovick's mention Denny, I'd love to see it. And your site of www.TomBurlinson.info doesn't seem to be operative at all.
"by - andrea-45 on Tue May 30 2006 11:29:26
And your site of www.TomBurlinson.info doesn't seem to be operative at all."
The .info site was unable to be entered for two days while I was renewing the domain. Other than that its been fully operational for years and updated regularly.
Some browsers dont like the .info domain - no idea why. If that is the case you can always use the long address of www.tomburlinson.homestead.com.
At points in the movie they refer to Denny as Den, which is probably where the confusion comes from.
shareI have wondered what happened to Denny for a very long time.Do you know how they shot that scene and also the scene where Denny is laying dead on the ground? I look for any signs of breathing every time I watch the movie.Did they just give hem an anasthetic to make him sleep?
shareI had a chance to talk to a lady that knew about that scene on a personal level, and she said that he did infact die in that scene. One way you can tell is the glazed look over his eyes as he's laying there....
shareCAn someone tell me how they shot that scene?How did Denny fall?What made him fall?The dead horse at the bottom of the hill in the next scene is clearly a different horse to the one being ridden down the hill.I need to know all the information!I have loved this movie for as long as I can remember, I am infatuated with it!
sharei need to know all of the info too, i really hope Denny didn't die on that fall. He's a great horse...
shareAre you sure? I mean everyone is saying that he died in 1999 and surely they wouldn't use Denny for the film if he was dead would they?
shareOne more question, do you know where any other photos or websites which has Denny on it, or says anything about him. Thanx
shareThe second film was made before 1999, which indicates that Denny would have still been alive for the second film, and yes he lived to an old age. there are loads of pics if you search google pics, also on the Lovick's website too.
shareThey probaby used a stuffed horse for the dead scene. It's pretty easy to find an already deceased horse similar in color and appearance to another one.
shareI was told that while doing the scene Denny fell accidentally and died, and that because of that, they had to change the entire ending of the movie. Ya know, having Jim ride the black stallion. Also, you can very easily spot the "stunt" horses before the fall. As Denny is infact a dunhorse, you can spot the buckskin stunt horse easy, he's the one that does that jump over the creek.
and the dead horse does look very real, if you've ever seen one dead before, and watching the fall, thats not a stunt fall. When horses are trained to fall, they are trained to land on their side, not to face plant at full speed.
The second film was made before 1999, which indicates that Denny would have still been alive for the second film, and yes he lived to an old age. there are loads of pics if you search google pics, also on the Lovick's website too.
Again... PLEASE...give just one URL/page with photos, info, etc. about the horse on the Lovick's website. I see NOTHING.
http://www.tomburlinson.homestead.com/FAQ.html
here's the web site telling about the horse and movies....cut and paste to look at it...
All right guys, I will see if I can sort this out once and for all. I know Geoff Burrowes and will shoot him an email to find out the truth.
share....did you ever hear back from Burrows about this question? I've heard both stories for years, and have wondered it myself....
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.....what part of their site is the info on Denny located? i have that site pulled up, but i can't find anything like this. they must have changed their site, or deleted some sections...
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I don't believe that the horse really died in the movie like that. I'm sure if it was true people would have known about it.
shareumm.. well I just did an extensive web search and I find no info in favor or not in favor of Denny's death. The Lovicks site has no pictures or mention of Denny. And Tom's web site sipmly states that Denny didn't die...not too convincingly either...nor can I find any pictures of Denny not related to Man From Snowy River 1 OR 2.....so I think the debate is still up..
shareI just finished watching both The Man from Snowy River, and The Return to Snowy River with my 9 yr old daughter. I thought she was a horse nut before. I have owned both these movies for years, but my daughter just saw them for the first time this week. I have always wanted to know what happened to Denny, and if this was the horse's real name?? I too have checked both sites mentioned and could not find any real information.
sharehttp://www.tomburlinson.homestead.com/FAQ.html does have an answer stating that Denny did not die during the filming (the answer is provided by the webmaster, not Jim directly). However, I heard years ago (before this stuff was on the internet) either in a magazine or tv special that he did die. I also heard that they then had to rush to find a similar looking horse, which they did do but it's pretty obvious the horse he has next is not the same horse.
It's sad to think that it happened, but I think that there is more of a cover-up than anything. Also in the forums from the original movie, there is mention that the original movie was given a "unacceptable" rating when it came to treatment of animals.
Here is the post in the other forums:
"I wish it was "not true". I love the movie, and that scene in particular was very powerful, but all the wishing in the world doesn't change the facts.
When the movie first came out, I subscribed to several horse magazines, one of which carried reviews by the American humane association. That original review rated the movie "unacceptable", as I mentioned.
When my daughter discovered the movie, I went online researching, hoping my memory was wrong so I could enjoy one of my favorite movies guilt free. Unfortunately, while due to the age of the film info is limited, what I did find supported my recollections of the situation.
"in the making of the film many horses had to be destroyed because of accidents, including the beautiful black stallion (Hare, 1982)"
http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/ReadingRoom/film/dbase/2002/man.htm "
Now this is talking about the first movie, but I think it's generally understood that there were horses injured in making this films, including some deaths. It's not fun to think about, but some of the scenes they were shooting were simply amazing and accidents happen when shooting scenes of that magnitude. Let's not forget these were great movies, no matter what happened to the horses.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
As far as i know from a magazine i read not long ago, Denny dropped off the radar for a long time after the movies. THen a girl bought him as a riding horse when he was in his early 20s. He's still living with her but is no longer ridable. They contacted his breeder and yes it was denny for both films. He was only 3 when MFSR 1 was filmed so yeah...that was as off about March.
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Ah interesting... thanks.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
I dont believe that.. If that was true.. why would the lovicks and everyone claim he lived until 29 at their farm? I honestly think he died.
ANd it's not hard to find a horse that looks like him, a pretty dun/smutty buckskin gelding. Then just claim its him.
'Happiness. It made the whole dying thing pretty bearable.'
My understanding, from several sources, is that Denny's fall on that amazing ride was accidental, and he was killed. There is a lot of conflicting information floating around, so it is hard to say for sure, although there are some very disturbing facts which point to a rather grim conclusion.
For one thing, as previoulsy mentioned, in a trained fall a horse falls to to the side, not face first. Which means that Denny's fall was either an accident, or caused by the use of the illegal and dangerous "running W"; a trip wire attached to a horses front legs which yanks his feet out from under him, causing him to fall on cue.
For another, this movie, like the first one, is rated "unacceptable" by the American Humane association:
"According to AHA reports, a horse was killed during the making of Return to Snowy River, which was filmed in Australia. The Australian S.P.C.A investigated the incident and AHA received no further reports."
www.ahafilm.info/movies/moviereviews.phtml?fid=7256
Bottom line is I still don't know.....and I am still trying to find conclusive evidence one way or the other....but I have a bad feeling about it....
Honestly the amount of incorrect information here is just plain embarrassing. Is it so hard to accept the word of the horse loving Lovick family. The people that owned Denny for his entire 29 year long life ?? Or is it just easier to sit around making up conspiracy theories ? I personally own photos taken of people (including Tom) riding Denny years after production of both films was over.
sharelet's see them!
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
I agree with NIckKnack. Please give us proof.
and who says we're the ones making it up? why wouldnt they try to cover up the death of the lead equine in the film?? and again, I've spoken to people who have contacted the lovicks and apparently they claim he was a registered TWH, which is totall and complete B.S. that is no tennessee walker.
please prove your point, or else your just another person trying to get their say in
'Happiness. It made the whole dying thing pretty bearable.'
Actually he could be a TWH- his coloring, build, and even gait. We have a couple walkers and one of them has about the same build as our quarter horses and appaloosas which is quite similar to Denny's which are also similar to the Australian Brumby.
But aside from the point...it would be nice to have official clarification espcially considering there are so many conflicting views- even from authentic websites and personal sources.
He could be but he's not. there is actually proof to that fact. there were NO TWH in australia until the late 90's when some broodmares and studs were finally imported. I can try to find the website about the TWH history in Aus if you want.
oh, and the 'official' crap on tom's site was not acutally 'official'. it's going off of some people words, and I believe KJOY operates it so is totally biased. I would have wanted DNA proof. if they had some hair taken during the movie or something and then compare that to the horse they claim was him at 29.
I just dont believe them.
'Happiness. It made the whole dying thing pretty bearable.'
Why is it biased ? Yes I run the official site and the reason I run it is to ensure the truth is all on one site because I was sick of the various misinformation out there. Its not a matter of bias - its a matter of ensuring facts.
The words you state it is "going off" are the words of Glenda Lovick - the woman who owned Denny for his entire long life - who emailed me personally to clarify Dennys life story. Personally for me thats as OFFICIAL as anyone should need. To say otherwise is calling this lady a liar and has NONE of you have met her or bothered to email her via her website - you really have no right to accuse her of lying.
The photos I have were taken long after both films were completed. No I wont post them online - simply because the photos are in personal photo albums and contain people riding Denny who may not want their faces all over the internet just to solve a ridiculous urban myth that has been going around America for 18 years.
You will never ever understand that that is all it is - an American rumour. You have no idea how utterly silly you all look when 18 years later you are all still rambling on about this.
Now generally I try to be polite and not insult people online - especially because I represent an actors presence online. But honestly - you all need to get a life and just face facts that 18 years ago a little incorrect comment in a news report has spiralled into an ongoing urban myth and you have all fallen for it. Just accept that its not true and get on with your lives.
Its embarrassing - especially considering your own record of both human and animal injuries and deaths during film production. Quit picking on one film and one horse. Sit back and watch the film and enjoy it for what it is.
I really have no idea if Denny died or not, but I have seen my fair share of dead horses (I work at an Equine Emergency hospital), and the horse who's face they showed in the movie was either completely sedated, ie under anesthesia, or dead. Plain and simple.
That sure would be a shame to have had a horse die, but ya know, the movie wasn't filmed in the US and other countries just don't have the same animal safety standards that we have here. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if a horse did in fact die during those movies. You can tell when watching that the stunts are very real. I've been around horses my whole life, and 99% of the stuff in there is extremely dangerous.
Either way, it looked 100% real. Whoever fell, had to have been seriously injured.
WOW youre seriously suggesting america has higher animal safety and compassion standards than ANYWHERE in the world? the country that gave us the jolly rainforest clearing antics of mcdonalds? are you VERY high or honestly that stupid??
the fact that you imply australia is somehow backwards in comparison to america is both laughable and highly offensive. you are welcome to actually come to this country and see for yourself our standards of living - social, moral and legal - thats if you are actually interested in fact over hysterical american conspiracy theories.
just so you know: we DONT actually ride kangaroos to school and throw shrimps on barbies. these are things we tell americans to take the piss out of how gullible and mindless you generally are, as proven by this thread.
relax buddy he was just making a statement on how different countries have different laws about animal rights in films no attack on Australia intended!!Your stupid little tie raid about the stereotypes of your country makes me want to stab people in the face.
share"tie raid"???? good GOD. could you start the stabbing with yourself, please??
shareLmao, good on ya mate. Well said. Though prawns on the barbie is my aunty's favourtie food.
shareLet's not forget these were great movies, no matter what happened to the horses.
if you look closely at 1:19:05 you will see the 'dead' horse Denny's stomach move. he is definatley NOT DEAD!!!!!!!!!
i would never believe they would show the ACTUAL death of an animal on film (other than documentary) because thats just wrong!
so i am happy to report it seems he lived!! :oD
Did Denny really die during The Man From Snowy River sequel ? No. Denny was owned by the Lovick family in Mansfield, Victoria, and he died aged 29 in 1999 after a long happy life.
Did Tom do his own stunts in the Snowy River movies ? Tom had a stunt man on shoot but did the majority of the stunts himself.
Did Tom know how to ride before the Snowy movies ? Tom was taught to ride by Charlie Lovick for the Snowy movies.
Was the famous cliff jump and ride real or "movie magic" ? The ride was very real. No trickery involved. Tom did the ride several times for practice and for camera angles.
http://tomburlinson.homestead.com/FAQ.html
What an amazing horse Denny was!
my question is why was it claimed that the lovicks had all this info on denny up on their site when it simply was not true? If people want to be believed, then don't make claims that are false. I don't know one way or the other. But when you come on here making bold statements and telling people they don't know what they are talking about you had better make sure your statements are correct or you will also be somebody that people find it hard to believe.
shareKjoy, your comment about refusing to put up photos you claim you have in regard to Denny simply because "they're in photo albums with people riding him that may not want to have shown of themselves"? Well, there's a simple way to handle that... It's a little thing called cropping. Just crop the person (as much as possible) out of the photo using Paint (or whatever program came with your computer) and post it online. Otherwise, you're the one looking foolish because you keep claiming you have photos of Denny alive and well after the movie, but you refuse to give us the peace of mind by showing us. Sounds kind of fishy to me.
I'd love to have the reassurance (and obviously many other people would, also) that he lived a good long life, and didn't die on set, and since the Lovick's site won't say anything beyond "Denny was in the films" it kind of makes you wonder if he did in fact die.
Yes, I know this is an ancient thread nobody's posted in for years.
But I am quite puzzled by KJOY's behavior here. It is not OK to post unsubstantiated claims yourself while accusing others of being "utterly silly" and/or lying and then even attack other posters, who have nothing in common with the American film industry (which I guess KJOY dislikes?) by posting something as ridiculous as "especially considering your own record of both human and animal injuries and deaths during film production." ?! People were only curious how one popular horse lived out its life..
Clearly, no such photos proving Denny survived the second film exist, otherwise KJOY could and would have posted cropped photos long ago. Why would posters take the "word" of someone who's been proved to mystify throughout this thread? Even his or her statement "The Lovicks have plenty of storys about him on their website" was clearly untrue back in 2006 and still is untrue now, seven years later.
I just wanted to find out what happened to the horse that played Denny but I see now I will probably not find out, at least definitely not here.
KJOY's entirely correct--it is not only rude but illegal to display likenesses of people without their permission and that includes posting photos of them on the Internet. Your prurient curiosity does not trump the fact that said poster would get into trouble for doing so.
As for showing a stunt horse's death onscreen, it seems pretty unlikely they'd have done that in the past few decades and sounds like an urban legend.
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I started reading the comments here before watching the film. Maybe I know too much now. :/ But anyway, I found this comment from 2006 o a horse-related forum.
A lot of stories was told that Denny died, but a year after the second movie was made, in which the horse fell down the hill, they had the owner of Denny and Denny on a news cast, and they were talking about the rumors,of him dieing, Denny was trained as a trick horse,where if he was shot,he would go head over. As far as him falling down the hill, they showed a stuffed horse, that they made up to look like Denny, part of the scene was Denny, but not falling down the hill, they said no horse died in the making of that film, and they showed the vets, that were there during the filming. The vets said all horses had a physical, to make sure they were sound,the days they were used. And Denny had two other doubles, he wasn't used all the time. So the rumors was just that RUMORS
SalemsMom, Apr 28, 2006