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I never quite understood 2 scenes


Those scenes are the beginning and the end of the movie. Ok, Pin was just a medical dummy, living only in Leon's imagination. If so, how come he was telling Ursula at the end that he missed Leon? Whose voice did Pin use this time to "become alive"? Was it Ursula's voice just as Leon's and his father's before? Does it mean Ursula also went a bit crazy and thought Pin was alive? Or maybe she just used her ability of using voice in a special way to talk to Pin, but she was fully aware at the time that she was talking to a big doll, not to a living person?
The beginning is even more mysterious. How could Pin scare that boy by telling him to go away if he was unable to speak? This time I really doubt it was Ursula's voice (she wouldn't be standing behind Pin's back all the time waiting for intruders, would she?). Since there were no other candidates, whose voice was it? The only explanation would be that Pin, in fact, was alive, which would make no sense and would ruin the whole plot-Leon was supposed to have schizophrenia and suddenly it would turn out that he was not ill after all. Do you have any good explanation of those two scenes?

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Thank you very much, I must admit you really surprised me! I always thought Leon had been killed by Ursula and in the opening and closing scenes it was Pin sitting in the chair and he looked like Leon because he had been made up by Ursula to resemble her dead brother (although the face looked too perfect to be artificial). I never understood how Pin could cry in the final scene...now everything's clear. Funny thing is that what actually happened (Leon 'became' Pin) was exactly opposite to what I thought had happened (Pin 'became' Leon). One more thing I might wonder about is what happened to real Pin-the mannequin, but I guess after all that happened Ursula finally got rid of the dummy.

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That would explain everything, but when Ursula raises the axe, Leon seems to cover his own face, as if his sister was about to hit him, not Pin-I guess that's what confused me. Thank you once again :)

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I always thought Leon had been killed by Ursula and in the opening and closing scenes it was Pin sitting in the chair and he looked like Leon because he had been made up by Ursula to resemble her dead brother (although the face looked too perfect to be artificial). I never understood how Pin could cry in the final scene...now everything's clear.


*snickers* Dude, I just... Words fail me, seriously. Take a couple film analysis classes or re-watch the confusing bits before posting...

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Yeah, no...I don't think it should even be necessary to study film analysis. It's just really, really obvious what actually transpired. I seriously can't understand what's hard to get.

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Well like I mentioned in a few other posts and like what the other poster said, you can take it the another way to. Usuala killed her brother and is keeping him alive by putting his face on Pin. When "Pin" talked it sounded like a femiine voice to me so that's why I assumed it was Usuala talking for Pin now. She could have easily went nuts too. It is possible, Why are people so sure that it is Leon for real dressed as Pin at the end? That's the way I took it.

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It is possible, Why are people so sure that it is Leon for real dressed as Pin at the end? That's the way I took it.


For one thing, the opening and closing scenes take place in the same time period. The little boy who climbs up to the window at the beginning sees David Hewlett's face behind the curtain, and he blinks.

At the end, he cries. So, obviously, it's Leon, because Leon is alive, unlike the plastic dummy.

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It clearly shows Leon's face and he's crying! How was that confusing to you at all? There are things that can be interpreted in this movie. But the FACT that it was Leon as Pin at the end is not disputable. He even had a nurse there taking care of him.

Its likely when Ursula took a swing at him with the axe, she made him a paraplegic or even a quadriplegic, and thats why he was motionless from the head down in the wheelchair.

ITS OBVIOUS PEOPLE. Unless you were watching it on a 13 inch black and white TV, you would clearly see it was Leon at the end, and not Pin.

They mostly come out at night; mostly.

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For real! Are you seriously asking this question? I just saw this movie for the first time and loved it, but can't believe you asked this question. Watch the end again if you haven't already. It's not pin, it's Leon

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How do you know that for sure though? How do you know Ursuala didn't kill Leon and put his face on Pin? It's possible that she went nuts and deveopled a split personality like her brother isn't it? I always took it as she put Leon's face on Pin and is in denial ablout killing him, so she keeps him alive by making the dummy become her brother and beleiving he's alive.

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How do you know Ursuala didn't kill Leon and put his face on Pin? It's possible that she went nuts and deveopled a split personality like her brother isn't it? I always took it as she put Leon's face on Pin and is in denial ablout killing him, so she keeps him alive by making the dummy become her brother and beleiving he's alive.


The axe scene was intentionally meant to mislead the viewer into believing that Ursula killed leon. She did not. She destroyed Pin. A cut off face on a dummy would not cry, and a hired nurse would definitely not stick around. Most likely she would get the hell out of there and call the police.

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I did not read the other comments so sorry if this has been answered for you.

When his sister came in with the axe, she destroyed Pin. The scene leads us to believe that she meant to harm or even kill her brother. Afterward, because Pin is destroyed, Leon (who cannot cope without Pin) takes on the role of Pin. Pin was an extension of Leon (who suffered from a mental illness, probably Schizophrenia) the entire time.

I believe that Leon may have done his own makeup and coif, as he apparently fixed and added on to Pin's features later on. But Leon was wealthy, so we can also assume it was done for him..

Another outcome could be that he really did become the mannequin in the literal sense. I've seen many horror films and tv shows (Twilight Zone comes to mind) in which characters literally become dolls. Pin may have even been real. In the later scenes Leon's mouth never moves when Pin is talking.

However, it seems more likely to me that Leon became Pin out of the psychological need to do so.

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