Why the hype?


This movie is neither insightful nor brilliant. The acting is sub par and the characters are not only irritating but often two dimensional and ill-defined. The directing is not great and the plot hard to follow, which is not helped by the fact that the audience is unable to understand what the characters are saying most of the time. After watching this movie I felt that I had wasted my time and actually laughed when I heard about all the awards the film received. How can a movie that has only a couple of female characters, and those that do appear are only on screen for a couple of minutes, win an award for "Best Supporting Actress?" I have yet to find anyone who can give me a convincing argument as to why this disaster is so acclaimed.

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The New Zealand accents are not what I have a problem with, it is the dialogue between the medieval characters, which is supposed to be medieval English. The problem that I have with the accents is how bad the actors, especially the younger ones are with using them. The strange faces some of the actors made while trying to speak with a Newcastle-ish accent is comical, which takes away from the dramatic quality of the film. I understand that the director was trying to be as accurate as possible but if the extremely important conversations between the characters are too difficult to understand, the audience is going to get frustrated and tune out. I am not the only one who thinks so. John Aberth's book A Knight at the Movies: Medieval History on Film, says "Hard to follow at first, The Navigator's dialogue requires close attention and gradual acclamation." I did a project on the portrayal of Black Death in movies, so I had to study this film. I did not just watch it for entertainment and blow it off. My tastes are irrelevant in my analysis of this film. I still extend my invitation for someone to give me an actual argument that is supported and not just a defensive backlash that tries to attack me and not my argument.

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you'd need to make an actual argument, then. Saying you couldn't follow the dialogue is scarcely that. Try turning the volume up perhaps?

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I just finished watching this film because some film list highly recommended with great expectations. I did not enjoy the experience and would strongely not recommend this film. I fully agree with the guy who started this whole tread. Suspending disbelief and giving the benefit of doubt to the writers I still can't convince myself they know anything of the time period they were writing about. I'm no expert but this can't be any kind of a true representation of the medieval mind. Don't even try to go there.

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I agree with you. The film has stuck with me after seeing it a few years ago and I think it is an excellent film, the Cumbrian scenes seem much more forceful than the rest, but I think it works as a whole.

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I am watching the film right now, and I must say that I don't find the accents hard to understand. But I'm a Canadian, and we generally find Scottish and Northern English accents easier to understand than southern ones (we historically had more Scottish cultural influence than English). The Kiwi accents were actually a little tougher for me.

As for accuracy, well, it would be rather difficult to duplicate the accent of Medieval Cumbria. Cumbric, a celtic language related to Welsh, was still spoken there up to the 11th Century. We know from genetic studies that it was the part of Englsnd with the greatest influx, as a percentage of the population, from Norway. Since it was not an urbanized region and played little part in English literature, we haven't much to go on for the period of the Black Death. Some evidence suggests that you would have heard quite a variety of speech in any given Cumbrian village at that time.

We don't expect audiences to listen to a film in Middle English, so the accents chosen by the actors are always a matter of artistic convention. E.G., in Roman Empire films, the Senators conventionally speak in upper class English, while the audience accepts a centurion with an American accent, and a slave with a cockney accent! For various symbolic reasons, it wouldn't accept a representation of Julius Caesar with an East End London or a Bronx accent.

Modern Cumbrian accents would do, I suppose, but how many actors would be available with genuine, from-the-cradle Cumbrian accents? The melange the film employed seems to me satisfactory to suggest the history, and showed much more thought put into it than one generally expects from films. It is seems to me to be the last thing to complain about in the film. After all, Hollywood thought it acceptable to have Tony Curtis, playing a medieval knight, say "Yonda is de castle uv me bruddah"





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I'm actually from Cumbria, and your comments are spot on philpaine! ;)

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Just checking things after awhile and found this. Thanks so much for the insight. I'll have to admit I didn't know any of that before.

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Having been born & brought up in Wales and currently living in Canada, I've always had a strong affinity for Erse accents, languages and the variations that have developed in different regions of Northern Europe. I loved this movie and never once found the accents distracting or annoying. You can very well split the film into two halfs: The first being in Medievil Cumbria and the tunnel; the second in 20th century New Zealand. There are two very different motifs going on here with the dark, doom laden Cumbria making way for the brighter, "safer" New Zealand. As such the mood changes from one of desperation to one of determination and adaptation with "fish out of water" type humour thrown in for good measure. Maybe it's this dichotomy that's making the film difficult to enjoy for some?

I have no idea. All I know is that I really enjoyed this when I caught it at The Carlton in Toronto in '88(?) and I still enjoy it to this day despite the rather ragged, ex-rental VHS version that I have (Missed the rather short DVD release!!!).

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What is a "gradual acclamation" to language? Gradual introduction or gradual "acclimatisation", perhaps. But not acclamation. I would give no weight to the opinion of a critic who is so ignorant.

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good question, I had heard very good things about this, but I just don't see what the big deal is



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Same here (good, but no classic). It was on TV here in Germany last week (dubbed in German, so no idea how the original accents were). It has a weird attraction for me, and the images are definitely something off the beaten path. Now that you say "music video" --yes, you could say that, but it didn't seem to stick out, just contribute to the overall atmosphere of the film. I had to look for a space to record another film tonight, but decided that this film won't be deleted right away, so I might give it another go at some point.
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"I have yet to find anyone who can give me a convincing argument as to why this disaster is so acclaimed."

Why do people have to give arguments for a film they like that you don't? It's all subjective, a difference of taste. Do you honestly expect to like every movie out there that's highly praised?





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I saw the film when it was first released theatrically (on the big screen) in fact saw it twice. I would really love to see it again but would rather not shell out almost 30.00 dollars to get the pal dvd.
I enjoyed it. I can say much more because it has been so long since I have seen it.
It did strike a nerve with me. I would say it is worth viewing. When I do see it again in the not too distant future I will post again.

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Saw THE NAVIGATOR when I rented it out years ago and loved it because of its genuinely otherworldly feel---you literally see the whole picture from the P.O.V. of the medieval characters, how both wonderful and strange everything is for them---the twist ending was pretty downbeat,though,which sucked.

As for the hype, this flick is actually pretty much unknown by the general public (here in the U.S., except of fans of obscure foreign cinema like myself. Cool to know I haven't been the only one enchanted by its spell---worth hunting down just to see something strange, thoughtful, unique and different.

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You summed it up well, Activista. I've seen the film twice here in the US, and enjoyed it greatly as something very unusual and unique.

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It didn't grab me at all. Very boring.

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