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Not the best message for women


I saw this on Netflix recently. I have seen it before but it's funny how your view changes as you get older. This time I was appalled by Jo and Daisy's stories.

I mean I assume Jo is maybe 18/19/20 ish and she basically is unsure about getting married and being pressured by her boyfriend so he feels less guilty about them having premarital sex. That is not a reason to get married. What about a career or college? She seems smart.

Then Daisy's character has zero aspirations and is hoping things work out with her rich bf so she doesn't have to any.

Kat's character is the only one with any drive of the three of them.

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I'd have to disagree. If these women were in their 30s and acting like this I might agree with you. At the age of 18-20 most have no clue what they want, much less who they are. We all make dumb mistakes at that age and don't have the best judgment. It's life.

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When I was that age, everyone I knew was focused on college and their future. Maybe different things in the 80s were different

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It actually was different then. In the 1980s, we weren’t quite at the point when colleges and high schools started treating almost everyone as “college material.” Now there’s pretty much a place for everyone, but back then it was different. Lots of high school students were socially and culturally programmed not to think of themselves as college material.

Nobody in Daisy’s family had ever gone to college, so it wasn’t something she aspired to. Going to college wasn’t in her wheelhouse. When you grow up in a culture and family that has never had aspirations for higher education, you’re unlikely to think it is something you’re entitled to consider.

If there’s no one in your life to reveal to you that it’s possible, and that you can do it, and to help you work toward that goal with choosing courses, working through the application and scholarship process, you’re unlikely to make it happen.

Kat aspired to go to college (and Ivy League, at that) because she was really good at schoolwork and was obviously nurtured and groomed for college by her teachers and guidance counselors.

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I don't think it's a negative message for women to suggest that women are all different and every one woman wants something different out of life to the next. If anything, isn't that an obvious but entirely commendable message?

Some women are like Jo and Daisy, and certainly were back in the late 80s. The film isn't necessarily endorsing their life decisions simply by depicting them on screen.

Hopefully Daisy would one day work out what she wanted to do with her life beyond hooking up with a rich boyfriend, and maybe Jo would seek a career whilst married, even if I am personally of the opinion that 18/19/20 is not the ideal age to get hitched. But we're all different, and as log as we're making consensual, legal, morally-sound choices it shouldn't matter whether we get married early or late in life, or whether we pursue a career or choose instead to have a less professionally ambitious lifestyle.

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Agreed

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At that age, I don't think anyone really has it all together, but another thing to consider is that this was a small town. Small town culture is... way different than most people realize. No one tells young people that they have other options.

For couples like Jo and Bill, it's just a given that they'll get married and start pumping out kids. For Daisy, she wanted a way out of it, but had no clear path on how to do so, she was relying on the Prince Charming idea, of some rich boyfriend to rescue her and take her away from it all.

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I don't think the message was trying to show a message to women but show three identities that a person could identify with. Each identity was the same in the fact that they are young females and want something more than what's expected of them from life. That's common when you are young, especially if you are poor, and living in a small town, where pretty much everyone commonly grows up poor, gets married, have kids and struggle financially to make ends meet. all that time, they essentially loose who they are. That's not what Jo wanted and I can't really blame her. However her boyfriend wanted to get married because he loved Jo. He didn't want to sneak from place to place to place just so he could be with her, especially if he loved her and wanted to marry her so they wouldn't have to. Plus, he believed in marriage so it wasn't about having sex. Jo also loved him too and wanted to marry him but was fearful shed "loose her identity". With Daisy, she wanted to feel valuable, as if she meant something. I mean she was just as smart as her sister and very pretty. She could do anything she wanted but she relied on her beauty to get ahead. Daisy didn't recognize her resources, like her smart sister Kat, who was able to use her brains to make a way out to her own fortune. I don't think that any girls was any better. They just reacted to their environment differently and each had their own identities, as did the men in the movie as well. One knew exactly what he wanted to do, while the other was like Daisy, he didn't know what he wanted to do in life.

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This is a perspective I didn't consider but I agree.

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Kat was the biggest hoe of all.

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Except Kat hoped to throw it all away for a married guy.

Jojo was the coolest girl.



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It's a movie, it doesn't have to have a "message for women" - women don't base their lives on movies. And one girl wants to go to college, one gets married and one isn't sure yet. So what.

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So...I like watching movies and/or television shows with women that have greater aspirations than getting married.

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It was a product of its time. The way their conflicts resolved seems archaic now. Daisy and her rich beau (though he was kind of hopeless at the end, flunking out of law school). Still Daisy had no life aspirations beyond flirting her way up the ladder. Jo marrying her boyfriend under the pressure of family and Catholic values. A strong character like that should've have stood her ground. Kat going to Yale is a step up but she was still acting like she was a seduced and deceived little victim, when she went full on into a relationship with a married guy.

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Agreed:)

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