Amazing to think


That when they did tests on the two guys neither had any drugs or drink in there system,yet both but platt mainly recieved a number of hits and still they kept coming.
What the hell made them like that?,they should have been dead or at least unable to get up,yet platt managed to kill the two officers,before being killed at last.
I know they changed there main hand gun after this inncident,because this fire fight showed there weapons were not good enough but it really makes little sense as to how they did it.
Check out the wiki page for some good info,also to some other links,that new book on the forensic report looks very interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Miami_shootout%2C_1986

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Law enforcement are almost always out-gunned by the bad guys.
.38 & 9mm are no good for LE.
Platt received a fatal heart wound and still kept advancing.

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What drove him on though?,it must have been pure hatred i reckon,the guy was round the bend.

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Matix (Gross) had been hit Six times, and Platt (Soul) had been hit Twelve times, according to research you can look up about the FBI shootings...check out www.thegunzone.com/11April86html and other sources found on wikipedia.com.
I gave this movie 8 out of 10 per the shootout...done fairly well. Didn't show several agents Manauzzi and Hanlon both had their handguns on the seats next to them but after their car's impacts', both guns went flying between the seats and they weren't able to recover them. You can read the de-classified FBI reports...Bottom line- the FBI was outgunned that day...Matix fired only either one or two shots with shotgun at the beginning before being shot in head by SSA McNiell. I could go on and on, but won't. Interesting reading on this shooting...

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It was Special Agent Edmundo Mireles who fired the kill shots on both men.

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I know there's a link to Dove and Grogan but does anyone know what the real people actually looked like?

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It took a lot of searching, but I found a picture with Edmundo Mireles in it.

http://vortex.weather.brockport.edu/~jmassare/riley/stickfig.jpg

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Man he's lost weight... So much for being the "refridgerator".

I saw a prog called FBI Files, it had MacNeil interviewed and also Mireles but he had his voice dubbed and a mask on "due to working undercover".
It also showed Matix & Platt. David Soul looked nothing like him!

And if, you know, your history...it's enough to make your heart go whoooooahh

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I don't believe Platt received a fatal heart wound. As I recall, his "fatal wound" was a transected blood vessel in his arm, which was caused by an outstanding shot by Agent Dove while Platt was diving out the front passanger window of the Monte Carlo.

The .38 cal can be a good weapon. The same goes for the 9mm. The key is to use high quality jacketed hollow point ammo of the appropriate weight and speed, and to select a weapon that holds an approopriate amount of ammo. Remember, F = Ma, and a 9mm that holds 15 rounds may be better than a .45 cal that holds 8. Many law enforcement officers find that high quality 9mm 147 grain jacketed hollow point ammo is effective. Plus, it is easy to use and you can carry more of it more easily than .40 cal. Sig .357 or .45 cal ammo. (I believe that those Agents, who were usuing 9mm handguns on April 11, 1986, loaded them with Winchester 115 grain SJHP ammo, which is fast but light).

The quality of handguns is somewhat better today than it was on April 11, 1986. The quality of handgun ammo is much better today than it was then, and there has been a good deal of research done since 1986 documenting what various handgun ammo can and cannot do in terms of speed, energy, wound channel creation and "stopping power." Much of this research was motivated by this shootout.

The problem with handguns is the same problem one always has with all weapons --you always need to give something up to get something. For instance, if you want more "stopping power" you probably need to select a weapon that causes you to carry less ammo, and so on.

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Sorry for the late post, but in situations like this your addrenalin does crazy things to the body. Maybe something like this happened and explains why things went that way.

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Platts fatal wound entered his outer right arm then passed thru the inner right arm into the right side of his chest puncturing the brachial artery and into his right lung , which began to fill with blood , the brachial artery began to spurt blood all along the side of Dove and Grogans car . I purchased and read Dr.W French Anderson's'Forensic Anaylsis ''of the April 11, 1986 FBI Firefight .

''You just found yourself into somethin' you ain't never gettin' out of !''

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Neither Platt or Matix were going to surrender...Weird how Matix had taken a shot to the head early in the gunfight (Read The Gunzone article mentioned earlier thread) by SSA McNeill...Hell, just read the link...

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They honestly were 2 animals so fully conditioned to fight that nothing else was an option.
Wtih the FBI's poor tatics and being so under gunned, it's a miracle that all 7 agents were not killed.
I believe that the FBI was resting on their reputation-laurels, sadly.

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I can tell you, that is exactly what they were, at the time resting upon their"rep."Big mistake there.

Mgrynard, glad that since then, so much has changed with F.B.I.

They, at the time were just no match sadly for the two animals, who so nefariously killed multiple,and injured so many others.




Peace

Josh

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One thing Platt and Matix had to their advantage was that they practiced shooting so much, esp. PLATT

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