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Yoko's manipulation

posted 18 years ago by MartyMacFly
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I think this movie shows a Yoko-centered view on Lennon.
How can you make a documentary about him and not having the other three beatles interviewed?
The Beatles era is seen only with regret (there are lots of good remarks of John about that time that could have been used, see "Beatles Anthology").
Besides, there is plenty of manipulation: for example, we see the song "How do you sleep?" (written against McCartney) and then the film shows Lennon saying "It was not about Paul, it was about me". But he's not talking about "How do you sleep?", but "Steel and glass".
Yoko Ono is a liar.

[–] gljbradley 14 years ago

I agree. Despite this movie documentary having great quality, it was very biased on Yoko's favor. She's definetly a liar. She once claimed that she didn't know who the Beatles were when she met John. Matter of fact, she was seeking them out starting in 1966 and even stalked John when he was with his family or friends. And it's quite obvious that she manipulated John to such a degree that it's disturbing. She used him and even after almost 30 years of his death, she STILL does. It's terrible. It makes you wonder on what exactly John was thinking when he chose her. I wish she didn't make his legacy and estate seem like an uncontrollable money machine instead of a respectful memorial like it should be. She's a monster.

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[–] beatlenut8 13 years ago

Read Living On Borrowed Times - Fred Seaman. This is the defintive book on Lennon's life as it was written by someone who closest to him during the last 18 months of his life. The only other source is Yoko Ono. Take your pic who you think is the best pick. I know mine. Read it and it makes sense.

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[–] beatlenut8 13 years ago

The bottom line is Fred Seaman was there with John Lennon at Bermuda when he was writing what would become his last songs. He was there in the car when he decided he would end his self imposed exile from music after hearing 'Coming Up' on the radio the first time. He was there and contributed ideas to 'Beautiful Boy' (which he kept) when John was recording a crude demo in Bermuda. He was there when John came up with the name 'Double Fantasy'.

Fred's book ties in with Julian's view of his father which isnt too flattering. Julian is understandably bitter. Fred talked about the disparity of John's relationship with his firstborn and that of the pampered Sean. Seaman recalled a holiday the Lennon's took at Palm Beach in 1979 with Julian tagging along. Referring to the gulf between father & son he says he felt like he was compelled to say "Julian your father would like to wish you Good morning".

This type of thing happens to many young, and not so young, people when they have 'accidental' blessed events when they hook up. Sometimes the father and child relationship just never developes and it can be both or neither party's fault. But it in this case it makes the whole love, peace preaching ring pretty hollow. Love starts with yourself and family.

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[–] beatlenut8 13 years ago

Lennon gave a lot of himself away in interviews and song - he was probably the most quoted person in rock. He sang in one song "shouting all about love and peace, didnt want to see the red raw meat". Not long afer all the love and peace thing, he had busted from the missus and was gettin pissed and getting into fights and thrown out of clubs etc. After all that, he went right back into Yoko Ono's arms and never left again. Some have said it wasnt love but fear that drove him back to 'mother'. I urge to get a copy of Fred's book if you're interested in John's final years and get a picture of what really went on in the land of Lennono. He's the only source other than Yoko and her sychophant Mintz. I take it you are a fan otherwise you wouldnt be posting on this topic.

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[–] beatlenut8 13 years ago

When you shout stuff from the rooftops and make yourself Mr Quotable you really open yourself up to be examined and criticised as much as you're admired. That's just the way it goes both ways. The whole peace thing was very naive and I can even say an exercise in self granduer on some level.

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[–] beatlenut8 13 years ago

That conflicts with what Cynthia wrote in her memoirs. She pursued him to the point of threatening suicide if he didnt respond to her and back her art. When John & Cynthia had an afternoon together in the 70's, Yoko again threatened suicide claiming he was spending too much time with her and Julian. She tried McCartney first and he rejected her. John was ripe for the picking. Paul was smart back then ( he dumbed down later on with Heather When ya down youre ripe for the pickin) You like her. I dont. Lets just leave it at that.

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