Elizabeth is a Bitch


This may be an opinion which divides males and females but I think Elizabeth totally deserved to have her idea ripped off by Andy. All she seemed to do was betray and stitch Andy up through most of the movie. Selfishly hoarding and scoffing the food when both of them were starving, ripping his novel to shreds...

I watched this with a friend a few years ago and his jaw dropped during the motel scene. He could not believe the betrayal and lack of support. She definately got what she deserved! Madolyn Smith is cute in it, however!

"Not The Gold!!" - Augustus Steranko.

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Excuse me! It was Chevy's character that proclaimed Elizabeth's book to
be his own after he couldnt pen a damn thing! So it was he that betrayed him.

-Jerry

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She deserved it for saying his book was crap...and we only ever hear her opinion, not anyones else's. She should have supported her husband no matter what. The publisher may have loved it. And she selfishly ate all the food when they were both starving. I think that Andy still owed her one more grievance to equal things up. Maybe they were both as bad as one another, but she totally deserved what she got. She even hit Yellow Dog on the head with a frying pan! Who does that?

Basically. she committed the ultimate betrayal...not supporting her husband.

"Not The Gold!!" - Augustus Steranko.

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Ummm... No. She was asked her opinion by her husband and she offered it. And it sucked too because the present Chevy gave to her was something totally not appropriate for the event.

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Dude, I was on the Amazing Stories board for "Mirror, Mirror" and stumbled onto your threads for Funny Farm. I totally watched this flick with my girlfriend a few nights back and was appalled by her behavior - to hording the food, to hitting yellow dog, to her lack of support - "burn it!" and finally rushing to the divorce answer without barely talking to Chevy about what he did.

I agree - she's cute - but her character's evil as *beep*

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THANK YOU ogporage!!

I really think that the issue divides the guys from the gals here. I even thought of something else she did that was annoying. Making her "Andy the squirrel" character in her book a loser of sorts, after basing it on her husband. Man, she was in need of some marital discipline!

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I agree too! Her character was a TOTAL witch, yes she is pretty but toally wrong for the part, they didnt "fit" as husband and wife, she just seeemd from the get-go to be uppity and dont get me started on her eating the only banana and later hoarding the last apple to feed her selfish self. That role was better suited for Goldie Hawn, she and Chevy have better chemistry (think "Seems lIke Old Times") she was a more well known actor and I am betting if SHE did the things "Elizabeth" did, we all wouldnt detest her so much!!!!!

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It's not that it divides 'males/females' or 'guys/gals'.

After all, we're all human first, and gender is a temporary secondary quality of the body system, so it doesn't define us as humans.

(Soul has no gender, only body does, to simplify)

It's that regardless of your body type, shape or attributes, in the modern world, you are not allowed to criticize females.

If anyone says that a male character is a díck or jerk, a-hole or whatnot, no one bats an eye, and everyone agrees and moves on.

But if anyone even hints that something is wrong with a female character, you get ANGRY PROTESTS immediately.

Someone wrote an insulting post about 'War Games' character 'David' (if i remember correctly), and titled it something like "20 Reasons why David is a Díck".

I thought balance is a good thing, so let's also write 20 Reasons why the female character is a .. well, can't call her a díck, because it's male genitalia, so let's use female genitalia and..

Well, you can guess how that went. My post was deleted, but the other post remained untouched.

There is an old game, called 'Wolfenstein 3D', originally made for DOS PCs. One woman's opinion of that game was that it's a 'german shepard-killing game'. I guess killing all those MEN (and there are much more of men than dogs in the game) didn't make her react in any way, but kill a pixelized 'dog' - GASP!

When people look at a homeless man with a dog, they feel sorry for the DOG.

So they can make a female character to be as horrible as possible, and if you DARE criticize her, you get slapped hard. They can make a male character as good as possible, and yet criticizing him is normal and even expected.

It's not a fair and equal world - to me, equality is not achieved before women get treated exactly as badly in movies and TV shows and other stories as men routinely do - especially by the opposite gender. And this will probably never happen.

Look at the TV show 'Cobra Kai', for example.

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Cobra Kai lets fat, ugly hags join the doujou, although it's supposedly about 'bad ass'. All kinds of females join later on, and no one bats an eye, because 'equality' and all that.

However, when it comes to equality of being punched, especially by the opposite gender, what do you know - these hagmonsters and other female characters _NEVER_ receive a proper, full blow or kick to the face or other body parts, but men routinely and constantly do. Even the wimpiest and nerdiest male character gets his nose broken off-cam, with blood spilling all over the place.

THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO A FEMALE CHARACTER.

So, until it does, we're living in a matriarchy, where no one is allowed to criticize women, no matter how justified. We all just have to pretend the empress has beautiful clothes on, although she's butt-naked. We are not allowed to say she's naked, or we get angry reactions against us, no matter how truthful and tactful we are.

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To be honest, I thought they were both @ssholes from the city.
Look at the car he was driving, what kind of person drives that kind of car other than a pretentious prick?

These two deserve each other.

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I completely forgot about the bit where she openhand whacks him on the forehead, pretending to swat a mosquito.

He should have elbowed her on the nose.

From what I can see, she is the total catalyst for the domestic aggro in this movie.

He's sort of ignorant to her needs and feelings but she is a nasty, aggressive bastard. You wouldn't want to leave sharp objects about with her around.

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Don't forget she also hits the dog with the frying pan after he digs up the arm.

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I was just coming her to post about what a bitch she was. Thank god she's not a real person. What a horrible wife.

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I wish the body they found in the garden would've been HER'S!

And that would've meant Chevy Chase was insane and imagining her through out the entire movie. DID YOU NOTICE HOW NO ONE INTERACTS WITH HER?

I HATE MOVIES!!!!

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I agree- she wasn't the problem, he was. She went along with his midlife crisis dream of quitting his job and moving out to the middle of no where, and attempted to make the best of things until he pushed her too far.

- on eating the last apple: she suggested they go into town and get some food, he wanted to stay behind and wait for the movers, so TS on him.

- she had to get the arm back from the dog so the home buyers wouldn't see it

- making someone read their book on their anniversary was idiotic, and anything less than an honest opinion wouldn't be doing him any favors, anyway

-she put up with his drinking, staying up all night, and goofing around with the local yokel inbreds. It was only when he sunk so low as to steal her book did she finally snap.

If that thing had nine lives, he just spent 'em all.

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Chevy's character also apologized for how he behaved at the hotel getaway. He said she was just being honest. However, i think both of them were in the wrong. Yes Chevy should had never gave Sinclair, Elizabeth's book. But when they were starving that was totally wrong of Elizabeth that's just thinking of herself? :) And also writing all this behind his back? Chevy had no idea. So i dunno i just think that it's not just Chevy or not just Elizabeth. I did however crack up alot when Elizabeth was crunching on the apple lol. Chevy's face expression itself was histarical! :)

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She was kind of a bitch at times but she is really pretty, a little high maintenance, quirky, and he knew what he was getting into, so did she. The novel gift may have been dumb but he did take her out to eat and planned a nice romantic get away at the bungalows. Yellow dog was a great gift on her part. Her reaction was mean, she should have just said it was a little hard to follow and needs some work instead of saying to burn it, it was not even finished. Her wanting a divorce so quickly over what Andy did and the way she was treating him was over the top though and the only part I did not like.

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Actually saying to burn it makes sense.
*If* it was really that horrible, and if Andy wanted to make a name for himself as a writer, it could have damaged him (in the beginning) to have someone seen such a bad piece.

Also I don't get the people talking about "starvation" when she ate the apple, they had food that very same day... they were no way near starving, hungry maybe yes, but definitely not starving, and remember who decided to go to the boonies and who drew the map for the movers, and refused to go to town to get food.... Andy! So it might have not been the nicest thing (nor the honestest one), but it's probably fair.

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I agree with Ditto-Head ! But...why couldn't one of them go into town to buy food, and the other wait for the movers ??

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I always wondered that too! I'd have said, whatever- you stay here and wait. I'm going for some food. After all, even if the movers had shown up at that minute- how long would it take to unload the truck and get the stuff into the house so they could both leave?



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I said this, he could have stayed for the movers and she could have gotten food. I watched it last night with my husband and he said they should have gone together and the movers would have waited. He wouldn't want his wife going to town alone where they didn't know anyone. I said she should have gone anyway.


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Yeah, she really is just plain mean. Andy causes a lot of the problems as well but, at least to me, he's just an idiot that doesn't know any better. Most of the things Elizabeth does are planned out and are just downright purposefully mean. One of the few comedies I have ever seen where one of the characters is really despicable and hateful without being funny. Her character has always stuck with me since my first viewing so I guess the writers did something right. That being said, she is just so damn pretty I could and would take all her slings and arrows with a huge smile on my face. Love the part when she's cleaning with her headphones on and Andy catches the snake.

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I'm sorry, but no, she is not a bitch. She was as loving and supportive as she could be under the circumstances. Andy was completely self-centered throughout the movie, and only in hindsight does he ever realize at any time that he has been so, finally apologizing ONCE for the things he's done.

First, he makes her move out to the country so that he can write a novel, likely regardless of her feelings on the issue, and instead of fighting with him about it, she tries to make the best of the situation and supports him. Second, he tries to force her to go to town, when she expressed no interest in doing so, but again, she does it to support him because he wants to go to town. Third, she finds a corpse in the garden which would have sent anyone else running (and yes, she did say she wanted to move at that point), but she stays once Andy has it removed, and even continues to stay when he loses it and has the corpse brought back and re-planted. Fourth, she gets an idea to write a story herself. No, she didn't tell him about it until afterward, but frankly, I wouldn't either. Why? Because like her, I wouldn't have wanted to jinx anything, nor would I want to get my or anyone else's hopes up in case nothing comes of it. When something did come of it, she didn't hide it, she went to him and told him, hoping he'd support her as she had been supporting him, but that didn't happen. It wasn't until she told him that it was a children's book that he relaxed and stopped feeling jealous.

Throughout the movie, time and again, she is supportive of him while he is repeatedly selfish and thoughtless. And as to her "rushing" to get a divorce? He pushed her to it, and if you listen carefully when she's yelling at him about stealing her story and passing it off as his, she lists numerous things he's done in the past, not just since they had moved to the country, but things he'd been apparently doing for YEARS, but the final straw for her was the stealing of her story. Pretty understandable to me.

As for her "ripping his novel to shreds?" Really? It was an extremely inappropriate time to ask her to read it, and seriously, what was she supposed to do, lie? He forced her to read the beginning of the story, and then demanded her opinion. So she gave it to him. She told him what she thought and why (and if it really was because of flashbacks and such, then that is totally understandable. I've read many, many books, and if they've had flashbacks, and the flashbacks weren't done clearly, it does get confusing to the reader). It was confusing to her, and wasn't an interesting story to her.

Now, I understand his reaction. For someone trying to write, they pour their heart and soul into their story, and hope that people will like it, and so it's hard to take the criticism. When I write things, I still sometimes have to walk away for a while if someone gives me criticism, even if it's constructive. It hurts, but that's why I walk away, and give it some time. I then usually see that what the person has said is correct, and why, and I look into making corrections, and if I disagree with what they've said, I make the decision to leave things as they are. But that didn't happen here. They got into a fight about it because he wasn't expecting her reaction, and he should have walked away to process what she said, but he didn't. He made a knee-jerk reaction to what she'd said. And when time did pass, and he did think about it, he came back and apologized.

So, no, she wasn't a bitch, especially considering everything she had been putting up with from him for years in the city, and now in the country. Frankly, if it had been me, I would have lost it long before she did.



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I think she boarded the last apple because he was the one who refused to go into town to get lunch/dinner until the movers arrived and so they sat there "starving." And it was totally his fault that the movers couldn't find the house anyway. I wouldn't have done that to my husband either but it's not like some act of evil.

As far as the book...he forced her to read it while he sat there staring at her on their freaking romantic anniversary night--further he actually critiqued her reactions or lackthereof as she read!!!! That is ridiculous on every level. If the book made no sense and was bad then how would she be helping him at all by lying about it? Granted, her delivery of the news was harsh but that was his fault for forcing the circumstances and making her read it under stress and duress. Stupid.


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I'm a dude. Anyone who thinks Elizabeth was a "bitch" is a completely sexist ass. And can't read a situation to save their life. They're just stuck in chauvinist circular thinking.

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