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Tell me why this is good?


Why was this ever recorded? A legacy for future generations or so? Of course, whatever’s made there will always be people that love it, but should that be a reason to make it? Should some afternoons of fun be recorded for a broader audience? Aren’t there enough dramatic clubs to fulfil their needs? Well, I don’t like it, that’s obvious, but I cannot in my right mind think of anyone who does. So much bad acting, so little storyline, so little tension, such bad dialogues, etc, I am really amazed, you have to meet some basic criteria while making a movie.
The people that obviously do like this movie cover their backs by comments like:
I figure about 98% of the average movie-going public would absolutely loath this film if they ever got to see it. Which is quite normal actually, because it isn't made for them. Watching The Dead Next Door is pretty useless, unless you're into this kind of gory and amateurish splatter fun.
I oppose to this kind of attitude, everyone has the right to view and judge a movie, ‘pretty useless’ is a non-defining qualification, if it’s bad then of course 98% won’t like it, well, tell me more. I like zombie/horror movies but I have seen them far better than this one. So can anyone tell us what’s good about this movie? I would like to know and don’t come to me with a “you like it or not”, that's about the simplest answer I can think of, give me facts.

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Fine, I'll tell you why I liked it, if you'll tell us why you didn't like it.
I liked it because it was, well first off, because it is a zombie movie, and, for the references to other horror people in the movie.
The gore is good.
Actually, if you think about it, the movie Titanic was useless. I mean, most people know how it ends.
I thought The Dead Next Door was a pretty good movie. Plus, the story line is definitely different from others I have seen.


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I must say that I'm a horror-fan, in fact I've always been and it is such a pity that there are so few really good movies in this genre. Like I said before this one doesn't meet the basic criteria to be called one for the reasons I mentioned earlier, I thought I was pretty clear about that. But I will try to enhance that explanation. Beside objective criteria as bad acting etc. there is the overall feeling you have after seeing a movie. In this case it was one of disappointment, dissatisfaction, betrayal. I agree that is a subjective criterium but I think it is a very important one, though one that can't be captured with words so easily, I cannot imagine someone having another overall feeling after seeing this movie. I think it was mainly because of the lack of suspence, a quality that is so important for good horror as Hitchkock understood so well. E.g. if horror leans to comedy it takes away all possble suspence and what remains is just comedy in an unusual setting (Peter Jackson) and I won't say that can't be funny but it is not the horror I wanted to see. But this movie isn't even funny and doesn't have any suspence so what's left?

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You asked what was left.
For one, it was a tribute to other zombie movies, mostly Romero's. Note the fact that the main characters names are mostly named after other horror directors.
Another, the gore. For it to a be a cheaply made movie, the gore was actually pretty good.

When the dead have RISEN, there are some things more important than survival.

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Yeah, I knew that, but just taking the names of some well-known directors is not enough to draw the light on you, you also have to offer content. Even given the fact that it had a low budget there is no excuse for bad quality, A director is there to watch over that kind of aspects, if he fails that only he is responsible. I've seen movies with good actors that were totally ruined by the director.
If it is only gore and not horror you seek you should try Braindead (Peter Jackson) or House Of A 1000 Corpses (Robert Cummings) to begin with.

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Since movies ceased to scare me long ago, I look for the gore in movies, hence my name.
Personally, I thought The Dead Next Door was pretty good. Ithad to be better than alot of other movies that are currently in my collection. Some of those with decent gore, but are just plain terrible. Like Zombie Doom and Zombie Holocaust. Both movies have zombie inn the title, and neither have zombies for more than like 5 seconds. But, the gore was pretty good in both of them.
The story line of Zombie Holocaust was pretty decent. The story line for Zombie Doom was laughable.

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I'm neither scared by movies anymore (a pity to be honest), but there is a difference between suspense and being scared. Being scared is subjective, a movie being suspenseful is a quality of the movie, I will not say totally objective but it comes close.
I looked up the score I gave Zombie Holocast, I gave it a 3, just like The Dead Next Door! But I have not seen Zombie Doom yet, I will one of these days, though.
Speaking of gore: Shaun Of The Dead is another fine piece and do not forget the Guinea Pig series. Or take Premutos, Der Gefallene Engel (Lord Of The Living Dead) or the August Underground series. But most of these movies are extremely low-budget with very bad acting (apart from Shaun). I guess there isn't enough audience for this kind of movie to allow larger budgets only if they're presented as comedy, not in a serious way, unfortunately. And I don't think any good, known actor is willing to risk his career on this subject, or any known director for that matter. So, regretfully this genre will always remain in the margins of the film-industry.
Oh, try Virus (Hell of the living dead), that was one with at least some story-line which could have been much better given the conditions I mentioned.

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i think you make alot of sense i mean i love zombie flicks and gore and this movie definatly had that along with a farly original story.....however i would have to agree this sucks i got it at media plays closeout sale...and i was very dissapointed anfter all the good i heard about. mostly it was the accting....no not mostly soely because. The actions are all choppy and slow and not very well staged...but the spoken diologue with the exeption of peter ferry (although bruce campbell voiced him over) was terribly spoken...i ot mad because this could have been great...and yes titanic sucked to but i wasnt expecting it to be...

i mean you have to admit the acting in tdnd was awful at best...

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Having just watched it, I figure I can toss in some input here. It's kind of hard to go outside the "you like it or not" kind of answer though, because you saw it and hated it. As shown in the other line of replies here, you'll have a hard time accepting what some people see as redeeming aspects of this movie.

With that said, I admit, it's weird to call this a good movie. On par with mainstream classics from Casablanca up to the Lord of the Rings movies, it doesn't hold a candle. It's out-shined in every way imaginable.

You gotta understand though, this is just a schlocky, tongue in cheek, indy horror flick. It's not meant to stand up there with classics outside of the genre.

On the plus side of The Dead Next Door, you've got the story. It was great, original and intriguing enough to get me to pick the movie up. There's also the effects which make it really enjoyable. Sure, by today's gags, they're out of date. Regardless, they still looked great. For instance, in the beginning when the one squad member gets his fingers bitten off by the decapitated head. The head looks great swallowing and then the fingers coming back out the throat, killer stuff. The throat rips, the machete hit, the bites, they all looked great. Another thing, just the generally corny things you can draw some chuckles from, Moullson's hat for example. It's impossible not to look at this "doctor" and not get a chuckle out of the "Once I thought I was wrong but I was mistaken!" hat. I'm not saying it was hilarious, but you know, it garners a smile. There's also the point at the end where zombie Mercer takes Moullson's hat as he's being devoured and Moullson cries out for it, worth another chuckle. It was also somewhat amusing to hear Bruce Campbell's voice dubbed in.

Now, don't get me wrong, I ain't saying there ain't a thing wrong with the movie, take the acting for example. As an indy/no-budget filmmaker myself, there were a handful of points where I couldn't help but laugh and compare some bad acting to a person or two that I've worked with. It was enjoyable in that sense, but at the same time, nobody likes to sit through horrible acting. Also, the constant nods to other horror icons was really annoying. I can deal with the occasional nod or reference to pay homage, but to name practically your whole cast after horror icons is a bit out there. I get the tribute, but that just bugged me. Finally, zombie Mercer. Everything was all good until he spoke. I really can't stand when voices are altered to sound that bad. Just a big pet peeve of mine.

So you know, it's like I said earlier, you either liked it or you didn't. Personally, I loved it. It's a movie I've been wanting to see for years and it didn't disappoint. I didn't expect it to be as great as the Evil Dead or Romero movies, I was just looking for a good b-zombie movie to kill the evening with and that's just what I got.

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Ok, but I wanted to go beyond subjectivity. I know it is hard to give objective criteria by which you can judge a movie, but I think the acting, the level of conviction the actors transpose, the storyline or plot, is it likely the way it develops, are the most important ones. I must say this movie doesn't succeed well on either front.
Objectivity also means looking beyond the effort the people involved made, they invested a reasonable amount of their spare time I gather, and it may have been fun to make this movie, etc. etc, but I may not take that into consideration while I'm judging a movie. What is shown to the audience is what counts.
If you're a filmmaker yourself you look at it from a different angle than a 'normal' audience, at least I suppose so. But are movies made for the fun of the director (and the others involved) or for the audience? That is the major question. I think if you lose that perspective you're on the wrong track, it's no use pretending you're not making the movie for at least some kind of audience beyond your livingroom, the audience has to complete the circle. And every director likes to have a large audience, true or false? Despite his struggles to maintain his identity by not doing too many concessions and in spite of the burdon of an empty purse.
So I will not judge mildly out of compassion or as a good colleague or whatever but as an audience, let’s say I play a different role here. But that doesn't imply that I'm always right or void of subjectivity, no one ever is.

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That's just it though, people watch movies on a subjective level. I liked it, you didn't. It's hard to explain beyond that. Where it failed for you, it held up for me and the other person posting in this thread.

I agree with you, the acting is (for the most part) horrible, there's no real suspense and it's not that funny. What's left is wondering where the story goes. Despite what the movie's lacking, the story is enough to keep you watching. Some of us enjoy the story, some of us hate it.

When I watched this movie, I didn't watch it in consideration to those making it and what went into it. I respect anyone who has put the time and effort into making a movie, but the respect for those people isn't going to win over my opinion on the movie.

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You are expecting way too much out of this wonderful little zombie B-Movie. If you're a horror fan, you should know that most horror movies, with a few exceptions, rarely have good acting and are not scary. If you were expecting a horror movie along the lines of The Omen or Rosemary's Baby, or a zombie movie equivalent to Romero's Dawn of the Dead, then you were sorely mistaken.

So, I'll tell you why this is good. It's a decent zombie movie with lots of nods to other horror movies and some good gore. I don't know what you more you'd expect from a B-Movie made to please fans of the genre. If you want more than that from a horror movie, then the horror genre is not the genre for you.


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Just saw it for the first time and really, really liked it.
I think, for all the obvious problems (especially the acting and a few lousy prop guns), Bookwalter got it right in the script. Zombie rights protestors, the cult; let's face it, this is pretty much a Romero film with some new paint, and that's not a bad thing.
Those new story twists were what made me want to see it, not to mention all the critics' talk about the impressive scale, which I must agree with. That helicopter shot with hundreds of zombies, all the extras in the cult's holding pen (one of the coolest moments has to be when Raimi walks past and all the pressing zombie hands stretch out the chicken wire).
With all due respect to Bookwalter (I think he did an admirable job and he's way too hard on himself on the dvd commentary), all these positives are a testament to he enduring power of Romero's concepts; people's inability to co-operate in a crisis, the failure of science. Moulsson's death as he tries to read out the anti-virus formula over the phone was fantastic and scary (reminded me of The Crazies and that scientist who's trampled as he tries to bring the solution to the powers that be). Hiding in that cage as the zombies press against it....brrr. I also like the hat; makes him seem a little crazy, a la Dr. 'Frankenstein' in Romero's 'Day...'
Again on the negative side, the closing theme song is pretty silly and I'm not sure about the 'superzombies' concept (as someone else has already said, the voices sounded pretty dumb). Still, this was a winner overall as far as I'm concerned.
I have one lingering question, though: What exactly were Jason and the cultists up to in the opening scene with Dr. Bow? Were they somehow a part of unleashing the virus in the first place?

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I can see why people don't like this movie but in my opinion it was a fun movie, sure horror movies can be better than this but if the movie is fun then I have no problem with it. I think it's also nice for any one who enjoys amateur films to have a film shot in super 8 with their dvd collection, another nice but I am sure unintentional touch for the film. Of course the dialogue was bad as well as the acting (which can be a lethal mix) but with enough action and some gore it became a fun movie.

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I liked it because it had some fresh ideas for no-budget film, save-the-zombie protestors? An overzealous religious cult? Hell, I think these ideas are just as pertinent today as they were in the late 80's. That, and the main guy is dubbed over by Bruce Campbell, that automatically bumps the film up by one star by coolness factor alone. That and often I do consider the effort put into the film when judging whether I like a film or not. Typically people doing super-low or no-budget movies are in it because they have a passion for making the films, they love the genre in which they are releasing their creation.

That is why I am much more forgiving when looking at the flaws in films such as Dead Next Door, Saw, Bad Taste, etc. because they did the best they could do with what they had to work with, and I'd take that any day over a film with ample resources and no soul. IMHO souless, mediocre/awful movies is why ticket sales overall are down: not piracy, high ticket prices, or DVDs.

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I haven't seen it yet, but it's a local favorite. Most of the zombies were played by students from a local high school. It's a popular movie in this area, just because it was filmed around here. But I don't know how "good" or "bad" the film is, I just want to see it so I can go "hey! there's where my buddy used to live" and crap like that.

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I have just recently watched this film and i was shocked and amazed by how good the film was. I am a huge zombie movie fan and i am deffinatly adding this to my collection. The story was original and i was thinking, if George A. Romero did a follow on to The Land Of The Dead then he could you the premis of this movie about an antidote that should cure but instead makes those infected in a cross bread.

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I didn't have the time to read ALL of the above posts but I read the opening post (a few times) and I'm unsure what kind of reply your fishing for here. You make all of these qualifying statements aside from this or other than that you sound like a lawyer trying to get a witness to admit they're lying on the stand or something. Since I'm not sure what you're trying to drive us all at I'm just going to give my views and if they don't fit the response you're looking for I'm sorry:

The movie was funny. I know you (or someone) pretty much said comedy/horrors are a bad idea or some such and I have heard that point before but they work for me. From "Return of the Living Dead" 1 and 2, through "Shaun of the Dead" and even into "Undead" and YES "Dead Next Door". Sure the acting hits pretty high on the cheese register at some points (as does the lines they're given to say) but that only helps the comedy.

I LIKED the half human/zombie angle. This was an intresting idea (as was the zombie protesters, the cult and heck even the muzzels), that to my knowledge wasn't applied to zombie movies, before that and work.

Yes, the gore too. Can't get out of a disscussion of a zombie movie without commenting on the gore. As I said in another post, even when an effect or elemet of gore didn't quite work it made the movie even funnier.

In the end all I can say is this: Will EVERYONE like this movie? No. Should everyone bother to see it? No. But if you like gore and zombies and having a good time then by all means you do much, much worse ("House of the Dead", "Return of the Living Dead" 3,4 and 5, need I go on).

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I didn't have the time to read ALL of the above posts but I read the opening post (a few times) and I'm unsure what kind of reply your fishing for here. You make all of these qualifying statements aside from this or other than that you sound like a lawyer trying to get a witness to admit they're lying on the stand or something. Since I'm not sure what you're trying to drive us all at I'm just going to give my views and if they don't fit the response you're looking for I'm sorry:


I had a same reaction. OP is basically asking "Why I didn't like this movie and others did" and expect to find some answer. The lawyer reference is actually accurate.

It was cheesy, it was fun, it had good gore for it's budget. Why everything must be overanalyzed? Just enjoy it for once.

And yes, acting was quite bad. But I don't watch ultra low budget movies for it's acting. Bad acting is part of their charm. Big budget Hollywood movies and bad acting on the other hand... Just no. When you have enough money to hire professional actors and you have enough money to repeat shot dozens of time if needed, there is no excuse for bad acting in $250 million movie.

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What I also really liked about it was the dedication and drive it took to make it. This movie was made over the course of years when they had the money and the time to film. It was a true labor of love and not just making a movie to make money.

They put a lot of love and effort into it and it shows overall.

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Can any of you obvious zombie fans, recommend a "real" zombie flick? Remember, it has to be alone the lines of "Return of the living dead" (part 1!)" Dawn of the dead 2004, etc. I have almost every zombie flick imaginable, and I know some of you will jump in and start naming some older ones, which I do enjoy, but those two have to be my favourites. BTW "Land of the Dead" was terrible. Could have been excellent with some great scarey flesh munching scenes, but go ruined by line like " just let them go.....they're just trying to find a place to live" (something along those lines, when he let the zombie go at the end) yucck!!

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No one can give facts to why a movie is good or why they like it, it is that simple. A movie can have great directing and filled with a talented cast that doesn't mean I'm going to automatically like it...First and foremost the film has to entertain, The Dead Next Door entertained me, I don't have to give reasons for why.


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amen brother, amen

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