I recently re-watched this and was struck by how Izzy treated Marilyn--setting her up with Sam and then going behind her back to get Sam for herself.
Don't get me wrong, I love this film, but I am guessing Marilyn wouldn't have been Izzy's friend after this.
To me it seemed Sam/Marilyn wasn't really serious or going anywhere. Sounded like going to a few ball games. Marilyn, although it sounded like she hated the dating scene, seemed like she had enough self esteem and was positive enough not to let that get to her.
You just have to be resigned-
You're crashing by design
I know what you mean. I've always pictured Izzy apologizing to Marilyn over drinks. I think their friendship was long-term enough and deep enough that this was always just a funny story they shared through the years. Marily and Sam were obviously not a match.
share[deleted]
grumpy_otter says > I recently re-watched this and was struck by how Izzy treated Marilyn--setting her up with Sam and then going behind her back to get Sam for herself.That's the thing about this movie. It seems kind of like a sweet little love story but if you really think about it there's more to it than that.
I believe the bar scene with Marylyn shows how Izzy begins to see there is more to Sam than she thought. However, it does take a long time for her to see that and you are correct, she makes some bad choices along the way.
But I think we do see a real change in the final scene at Bubbies. When she really thinks she has missed Sam (and presumably would be the last straw for him), she does sit down and cry - certainly something we wouldn't expect of her from what we've seen of her.
I love that scene, especially how Bubbie plays both of them (and her story of how she got engaged). However much it seems Izzy was undeserving, I think she finally made a real change in that kitchen. Wouldn't be much of a romantic comedy otherwise.
And I don't agree with the thought of her cheating. Why go there? This was a lovely ending (with the Roches "Lucky" coming at the end just perfect). I'll stick with the Hollywood Ending. Sam and Izzy are doing just fine right now.
You just have to be resigned-
You're crashing by design
Mickyfinn says > I believe the bar scene with Marylyn shows how Izzy begins to see there is more to Sam than she thought. However, it does take a long time for her to see that and you are correct, she makes some bad choices along the way.Okay but even after the bar scene she continued to behave in the same ways she had before. If she was seriously considering Sam I don't think she would have been so easily distracted. Sam was merely a place holder.
But I think we do see a real change in the final scene at Bubbies. When she really thinks she has missed Sam (and presumably would be the last straw for him), she does sit down and cry - certainly something we wouldn't expect of her from what we've seen of her.You might have seen real change in her but I did not. She left both him and Bubbie waiting a very long time and it seemed they had plans to go somewhere else. If Anton's conditions had been right, she would have blown Sam off completely (no pun intended).
I love that scene, especially how Bubbie plays both of them (and her story of how she got engaged). However much it seems Izzy was undeserving, I think she finally made a real change in that kitchen. Wouldn't be much of a romantic comedy otherwise.What enjoyment I got from this movie mostly came from Bubbie. She sees how Izzy is living and knows she only end up alone and unhappy having squandered her best years on a lot of worthless men. I don't condone the kind of manipulation Bubbie employs but she only used it as a last resort. She was honest and above board with Izzy but her granddaughter lacked the kind of wisdom that, for some, comes after years of experience. Besides, at that point Bubbie knew if she didn't play dumb Izzy would have had to come up with an explanation. She didn't want to put her on the spot. Bubbie is the romantic and the
And I don't agree with the thought of her cheating. Why go there? This was a lovely ending (with the Roches "Lucky" coming at the end just perfect). I'll stick with the Hollywood Ending. Sam and Izzy are doing just fine right now.Yes I did have to go there because, as I said, I don't see this movie as a cute little romantic comedy; at least not in the usual sense. I see it as the story of Izzy. Sam and Bubbie are on one side of Delancey and they're not crossing over; Izzy is the one who has ventured away. Being with Sam would require her to cross Delancey, returning to her roots, so to speak.
Great post!
shareNot really. Izzy is basically a good girl. Look at how much time she spends with her grandma. She has a good heart. It's just that she doesn't know herself well.
Actually, of the three guys, I'm not sure any of them are right for her. She's caught somewhere in the middle between the author and the pickle guy. One is too high brow, the other might be too low.
I could totally understand her, at first, not wanting to go out with a pickle salesman whom the obnoxious matchmaker woman tries to set her up with. She thinks of herself as sophisticated and literary, but she's not exactly a snob, because (as you mentioned) she does care a lot about her grandmother. She just can't imagine that a pickle salesman would share her interests, but the more she gets to know him, she realizes that they have things in common, and that he would treat her a lot better than the literary snobs she meets at the bookstore. I think she is genuinely endeared when Sam tells the story about how he did want to meet her because he'd seen her before in the park, but at that point it was too late to get out of the introduction to Marilyn. She spends the rest of the film having gone through a change of heart, and trying to get another chance with Sam.
shareIt's been a while, but that sounds about right.
share