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DVD finally on the way!/Comment on ending


Hi all. Just to let you know, I'm currently working on a DVD release of the film. Don't know the specific date yet, but Sony/MGM is aiming at the spring.

By the way, I try to address the frustration some people have with the ending on the commentary and an interview. I've always been confused when people see it as a 'happy' ending. That certainly was NOT my intention.



SPOILER ALERT!!!!





Yes, it's different from the book, but, when you have your main character realize that his actions turn out only to serve the very system he's fighting, it's far from happy. (Jerry's last line: 'I should have just sold the chocolates. I played their game anyway')

In fact, to me the film was in part a response to 'Karate Kid' type films where the hero 'won' by beating up the bad guy. My idea was that here, in beating up Archie, Jerry is doing exactly what the system wants him to, and by pitting the two most challenging minds in the school against each other, the system effeciently protects itself. Obie as head of the Vigils wil be petty and stupid and cruel, and no threat at all to rock the boat.

I sometimes feel people have a knee-jerk reaction to seeing that the ending is different, and assume I was trying to create a Hollywood ending. But I think, if you look closely, you'll see that, while different (and perhaps not satisfying to some), it certainly isn't 'happy'.

My feeling was, if I stayed with the book's ending, without the literary ability to be inside characters' heads, it would have felt not just dark, but purely nihilistic. 'Life sucks and then you die'. I wrote a draft that way, but it felt empty and overly-simplistic. It works great in the book, but I'm not convinced it would have made for a good film.

Thanks,

Keith Gordon

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Keith, I think that your ending was superior to the book.

P.S. I liked A MIDNIGHT CLEAR, also.

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Mr. Gordon, I would just like to say that you couldn't have done a more remarkable job on this. I saw this when I was about 12 and it reached out to me even then, and I had already read the book. It really reached out to me, and the characters were exactly how I had pictured them to look and act.
Outstanding job and beautiful soundtrack.
Keep fighting for a DVD release and don't stop until you have achieved success.
I know you can achieve it. I've seen it before.

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Hi. I'm not a big sequel fan, myself (as a filmgoer or a filmmaker). They're so rarely as good as the original, because you've usually said the most interesting things you have to say about a certain world the first time around. There are exceptions (Godfather II comes to mind). But for me the film is complete, and a sequal would feel forced. (Also, in practical terms, the film didn't make nearly enough money to get financing people to pay for one!)

I do love Cormier's other books. I've wanted to do 'I Am the Cheese' as a film since I was 16 years old (I even wrote an adaptation way back then). But the rights are pretty hopelessly tied up, since there was both a US indie version and a French-Canadian version. Neither got much of a release, but the film rights seem pretty fragmented. But it's been a few years. Maybe it's time to try again...

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Hopefully the studio allows for some extras on the DVD. I know Ilan Mitchell-Smith has left acting and and his acting past behind, but commentary from Keith Gordon and John Glover or Wallace Langham would be pretty cool. Either way I will purchase a copy. My original 1989 VHS copy gets it's annual viewing and I fear for it's life at this point.
I'd also like to add that I met Robert Cormier at a Massachusetts Library event just a year or so before his death. He told the story of how the Chocolate War was based on an actual chocolate sale that his son's school had. Everything went OK with the real sale. But Robert obsessed about what would would happen if it didn't. He really made a statement with this book. Timeless. The film did it justice and quite a bit more.

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Keith, when exactly was the movie filmed ? Early 1988 ? And why did you decide to film it in Washington state ? It was a good choice !

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We did indeed film the movie in the winter of 88. We chose Washingtion because it had a perfect location. We had very little money ($500,000). We found an empty seminary school just outside Seattle. Because it was huge, we were able to film almost the entire movie there, without having to move the whole company (which takes time and money). Even things like Jerry's home were shot in an apartment n the school that used to house some of the brothers who taught there.

We also loved the look of the school (old, gothic, with some weird archetectural touches, like the round office we used as the headmasters office, and the round room below it we used as the Vigil's meeting room). Plus, it came complete with desks, chairs, and all that stuff we didn't have the money to go out and rent or buy.

Also, Seattle had some very good, inexpensive crew and good local actors (we couldn't afford to bring more than a few people from LA).

Last, the area had a cold, cloudy look that I wanted, although (ironically), we happened to shoot in the sunniest winter they'd had in years. But that's a basic rule of movies. Whatever weather you want, you'll get the opposite!.

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Thats cool. I really liked the look of this film (even though I've only seen it on VHS). It seems like so many movies in the US are either New York or L.A. and it's refreshing to see something different once in a while.

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I already did a commentary and an on camera interview. Still trying to get the studio to consider more stuff (deleted scenes, or a commentary from John and/or Wally). We'll see...

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There is a sequel to "The Chocolate War" though, Robert Cormier's "Beyond the Chocolate War". I read it and I believe it surpassed "The Chocolate War".

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Do you know how I can find it on VHS? None of the websites I have tried have it available for purchase.

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This is EXCELLENT news. I, too, discovered this film back in the late '80s and it affected me deeply. I then read the book and thought Mr. Gordon did a great job in capturing not only the characters motives but the mood and tone of the story as well. Mr. Gordon's choice of music was inspired and I hope all the songs are "cleared" to be included on the dvd. I have had the OOP laserdisc for many years and even have an original theatrical poster. I used the book and film extensively when I was student teaching and working on my teaching credential. I'm thrilled this film can now be re-evaluated on dvd (it is definitely a "sleeper") and hope more people will discover what those of us who have posted here already know. Thanks for the posting Keith and much success to you. P.S. A MIDNIGHT CLEAR was just as good!!!

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that's a really great news,because i haven't seen this film yet...i only hope that french subtitles will be available on this dvd (or at least english subtitles)...my understanding of spoken english is not so great!

PS: Keith,i LOVE "waking the dead",one of the most beautiful,haunting and moving films of these last years...i saw it twice in theaters some years ago (the film was released in France under the title "le fantôme de Sarah Williams")

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Was wondering if there is a soundtrack available for the film? Loved the movie!!!

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No soundtrack, sadly. We had very little money, so we had no way to negotiate for soundtrack rights beyond use in the film itself. We asked one or two musicians/companies about soundtrack use and were shot down right away. As it was, most of these musicians and their companies gave us absurdly good deals beacause they saw it as a labor of love art film. I'm very greatful for that...

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what an intimate movie. i grew up w/a friend who went to private schools and I to public, we went to each others dances etc. and for some reason this movie resonates unreasonably strongly w/me to this day. a surprise xmas gift this year was a LD version. was there anything extra/different on the LD version v. the DVD? can't wait for the widescreen, wish I were wealthy to fund more movies KG

i like clipperships

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Hi Keith! I'm looking forward to buying The Chocolate War on DVD! You mentioned no soundtrack - will the songs featured on the original release of the movie (e.g. Running up that Hill, Only You) be on the DVD release?

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Did the DVD come out today? Ran around to the various *beep* stores (Best Buy, Circuit City) but I couldn't find it. If not, any idea of when the official release date is?

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I have a feeling the delay is due to Keith Gordon working on a special edition dvd of A MIDNIGHT CLEAR and Sony wants to release both at the same time.

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Hi,

For reasons I'm not clear on, Sony pushed the release back to September.

Obviously that could change again, but as of yesterday, that was the plan...

Sorry my earlier info was off...

Keith

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that sucks. oh well, at least STatic LD came yesterday! Keith, do you have anything else in the works other than Billy Dead?

i like clipperships

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The Chocolate War is definitely in my top 5 movie list of all time. I grew up reading Robert Cormier's books, and found Keith Gordon's production just amazing considering the budget. Great performances from John Glover, Wally Ward, Ilan Mitchell-Smith, Bud Cort and Doug Hutchison. And the soundtrack is just brilliant. A reflection of the period it was set in.
I cannot wait to get a proper dvd copy in my hands, after so many years of owning a VHS copy i borrowed and never gave back to my video shop.
Are there plans to release it in all regions, because im here in Australia (region 4)?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Oh and since i've seen Keith Gordon post on here, id like to send some kudos to you on a splendid version of an amazing book that changed my life.
Cheers,
Mike

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