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Why Is Victim Blaming So Common?


Sorry for the length of this post but the number of examples is staggering

11 yr old raped by TWENTY men in Texas - victim criticized for dressing precociously & lawyer calls her a "temptress luring men into her web"

Rape of 10 yr old by Keith Fenn & Darren Wright - Fenn gets 8 weeks & Wright is freed cause victim was "provocative"

Jaclyn Friedman - gets hate mail blaming her for her rape for going to a party with men

Kenneth Rhodes case - convicted of rape but gets no prison cause the victim wore revealing clothing & flirted

Ched Evans case - Convicted of rape & his victim has to flee her home cause of death threats

Results of Polls - a 3rd of people think victim who've flirted have responsibility for being raped, 26% think a womans wearing revealing clothes is partially or totally responsible; 22% think the same if she's had many sexual partners & a 3rd of women think a victim bore some responsibility if they had gone to their attacker's house

Fantasia Burrino - Accused schoolmate of rape. Her dad blames her for her clothing. Ryan O'Neal & Richard Pryor had similar reactions to their daughters sexually assaults

Tyson case - His accusers gets death threats & is widely called liar or blamed for being alone with him though he's 3 other rape accusations, 3 sexual assault accusations, a low level sexual battery conviction, a long history of sexual harassment & violence towards women including women who've turned him down, fondled an 11 year old girl, told Jose Torres he likes to make women bleed & cry, 2 witnesses said she was in shock that night & 2 trained experts testified forensic evidence backs up her story, 1 saying in 20,000 cases he's never seen injuries like hers from consensual sex. A lawyer even said that that those who “go where they shouldn’t go get what they deserve”

Cheryl Araujo 2 hour gang rape - she gets death threats & her rapists get protests they were jailed (protesters saying "if you throw a dog a bone he's going to take it") & petitions of 16000 people they be freed based on rumors she kissed 1 of them

Judge Hatch sexual assault case - tells victim she's to blame going to bar

DeAnza case - 3 witnesses testify to a minor being gangraped, she hospitalized & staff reported an assault, police & sheriff strongly believe she was raped. "Risqué" facebook photos not taken that night are used to discredit her in court & a journalist wrote she was raped but "Did she contribute to her plight? Yes. By doing a lap dance atop one boy and allegedly grabbing the crotches of others, she helped things along.” No one was ever charged

Lara Logan near fatal rape experience - Journalists & bloggers unnecessarily bring up her sexual history, swimwear modelling, low cut outfits worn years earlier, call her derogatory names, blame her for reporting where Muslim men are (which is disgustingly racist), say they have no sympathy, she deserved it & they're glad it happened

Rachel North rape & attempted murder - Bloggers say she's covering up for infidelity & make comments about her teaching keep fit pole dancing despite the rapist having attacked other women & her having over 40 injuries

Domonique Gindraw gangrape at gunpoint - Judge calls it theft not rape cause the victim was an escort

A Tennessee religious pamphlet says “By the way, some rape victims would not have been raped if they had dressed properly. So can we really say they were innocent victims?”

Thandie Newton - discusses in newspaper a coercive sexual relationship when she was barely legal with a director decades her senior & some readers respond she had sex with him for her career despite no evidence for this

Judge gives a rapist a light sentence because the victim didn't fight back enough
http://weknowwhatsup.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/judge-gives-lighter-sentence-to-rapist.html

Bill O'Reilly - calls a rape & murder victim moronic due to clothing & says boy kidnapped & raped for 4 years is has partial blame for not trying to escape

Best selling author Camille Paglia said "Rape's a risk factors in getting involved with men. . . like gambling. These girls go to Atlantic City & when they lose, it's "Oh, Mommy & Daddy, I lost." Stay home & do your nails, if that's the kind of person you are" & "The girl in the Kennedy rape case's an idiot. Go to the Kennedy compound at night & you're surprised what happens? She's the one who should be charged-with ignorance"

Best selling author Warren Farrell said date rape is what makes dating exciting, spousal rape should be legal & father/daughter incest can be healthy

a judge fined a rapist £2,000 because of the woman's 'contributory negligence'. for hitch-hiking

another judge said 'Women who say no, do not always mean no. It is not just a question of what she says, but how she shows and makes it clear. If she doesn't want it, she only has to keep her legs shut'.

Rihanna - gets endless internet abuse for being brutally assaulted

Polanski sexual abuse case - victim to this day gets called a slut for having had sex with her boyfriend before he she was assaulted

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You offer some very valid points...but in the last two scenarios there's some issues. Rihanna keeps going back to Chris Brown. If something happens to her again, is it not partially her fault? I'm sure she has friends and advisers telling her to stay the hell away from him and she refuses to take their advice. As for Roman Polanski, "the victim" has said she was the one who seduced him...so, I dunno if there should be some sort of limitation from his ban from the United States. It was wrong at the time and his punishment was just. He decided to flee the country instead of facing his punishment...but it's 40 years later now and the victim says she wasn't a victim, so maybe it's time to let him come back.

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"Rihanna keeps going back to Chris Brown. If something happens to her again, is it not partially her fault?"

Chris Brown is 100% at fault if he beats Rihanna or anyone else. I do agree its stupid to go back to an abuser but sometimes makes excuses for abuse is a coping mechanism.

"As for Roman Polanski, "the victim" has said she was the one who seduced him"

I know a lot about the Polanski case and I'm sure she never said that. Do you have a source for it? She said in her Grand Jury Testimony that he tried to seduce her and she repeatedly told him to stop while he had oral, vaginal and anal sex with her and all the interviews she's done that I've read say the same thing.

"the victim says she wasn't a victim"

Thats not what she says here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2349566/posts

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Ah, so a 13 year old child who was drugged, then raped and sodomized by a 44 year old man, then continuously victim-blamed and harassed and tormented for the next several decades, rationalizes what happened to her and suddenly it's not rape. It's irrelevant what she said. If you have sex with a 13 year old child and you're an adult, then you're a rapist. Period.

As for Rihanna, you make it obvious that you know about the effects of domestic violence just as much as you know about the consequences of rape, which is to say, you know nothing at all.

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"As for Roman Polanski, "the victim" has said she was the one who seduced him..."

Wow, she has NEVER said that. To this day she still maintains that she was raped, she said NO, she was drugged by an old man. She was a kid. Shameful.

It's so simple a six year old could figure it out.
Quick! Someone get a six year old!

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Why is victim blaming so common? Where to begin?!

I think the main reason is that many people are completely ignorant of what consent actually means. All it boils down to is:

Does person A want to have sex?
Yes: sex = consensual
No/unable to give consent (e.g. unconscious): sex = rape

Any other factors - clothing, alcohol consumption, sexual history, etc etc - have nothing to do with it. But when is this ever taught in sex ed classes? When do the police, the media or anyone else ever discard these factors and focus solely the perpetrator's actions?

Also, our culture says, "Women! You must do x, y and z to avoid getting raped," instead of "Men! Don't rape women*," so this tells us that the responsibility for rape lies with the victim, not the rapist.

*Or other men.

This analogy illustrates how ludicrous victim blaming is:

The law discriminates against rape victims in a manner which would not be tolerated by victims of any other crime. In the following example, a holdup victim is asked questions similar in form to those usually asked a victim of rape.

“Mr. Smith, you were held up at gunpoint on the corner of 16th and Locust?”
“Yes.”
“Did you struggle with the robber?”
“No.”
“Why not?”
“He was armed.”
“Then you made a conscious decision to comply with his demands rather than to resist?”
“Yes.”
“Did you scream? Cry out?”
“No. I was afraid.”
“I see. Have you ever been held up before?”
“No.”
“Have you ever given money away?”
“Yes, of course–”
“And did you do so willingly?”
“What are you getting at?”
“Well, let’s put it like this, Mr. Smith. You’ve given away money in the past–in fact, you have quite a reputation for philanthropy. How can we be sure that you weren’t contriving to have your money taken from you by force?”
“Listen, if I wanted–”
“Never mind. What time did this holdup take place, Mr. Smith?”
“About 11 p.m.”
“You were out on the streets at 11 p.m.? Doing what?”
“Just walking.”
“Just walking? You know it’s dangerous being out on the street that late at night. Weren’t you aware that you could have been held up?”
“I hadn’t thought about it.”
“What were you wearing at the time, Mr. Smith?”
“Let’s see. A suit. Yes, a suit.”
“An expensive suit?”
“Well–yes.”
“In other words, Mr. Smith, you were walking around the streets late at night in a suit that practically advertised the fact that you might be a good target for some easy money, isn’t that so? I mean, if we didn’t know better, Mr. Smith, we might even think you were asking for this to happen, mightn’t we?”
“Look, can’t we talk about the past history of the guy who did this to me?”
“I’m afraid not, Mr. Smith. I don’t think you would want to violate his rights, now, would you?”

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Good points Anne

A few other examples I read about recently:

Oksana Makar case - teenager raped & burned alive suffering a weeks long horrendously painful death. 2/3 of Ukranian public polled said she had blame for this (maybe due to her having been a child prostitute)

Jury acquit serial rapist cause while they believed accuser they were "concerned" he was her drug dealer

Steubenville - 2 boys convicted of rape. 1 confesses in court, 3 witnesses say the victim was unconscious, there's photos of her being ejaculated on while unconscious, texts of them calling themselves the "Rape Squad" with comments like "they raped her quicker than Tyson", her "friend" writes an article saying its not rape cause she was drunk. She gets Tweets calling her a whore, liar or she deserved it & multiple death threats

Judge Johnson case - victim beaten with a metal baton & threatened with mutilation. Judge criticizes victim for not putting up a fight & saying if someone doesn't want sex, the body "will not permit that to happen".

Journalist Lydia Wilsons stepmother suffers a knifepoint rape by a burglar who threatened her kids & is asked by police "Why did you leave the door unlocked? Did you tell him you didn’t want him?"

A Burma rape victim disowned & called a prostitute by her husband & kids http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/blog/entry/eight-reasons-why-victim-blaming-needs-to-stop-writers-activists-and-surviv

Caroline Roberts case - kidnapped & raped by serial killers but police call her a liar cause she had a couple of one night stands

Debbie Morris - kidnapped & raped by multiple murderer & is criticized for breaking curfew & a boy forbidden from dating her cause "everybody knows she's not a virgin anymore"

Brooke Axtell says she's seen many rape victims who were blamed through working at rape crisis including a teenage girl who confessed to her pastor who made her stand up in front of the congregation and confess her "sin"

A man writes on The Guardian website about his wife being raped on holiday in France & the police quizzed her how revealing her dress was

A charming AVFM writing says that women who flirt are "begging to be raped"

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Here's an "alternative" (but it should be mainstream - it's sad that it's funny, cos it's true) guide on how to prevent rape:
http://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/campaigns/10-top-tips-to-end-rape /

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Absolutely right. Unbelievable that in this day and age there are judges out there who have no concept of justice where rape is involved.

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To some degree, I do think women have a responsibility to keep themselves safe.

Whether it's avoiding parking next to vans in the back of a dark parking lot, or not dancing with strange me- and I think most women do what they can anyway.

On the other hand, there were just so many times, where it didn't matter who the woman was and what she was doing.

For instance, a lot a girls get raped or assaulted for nothing more than being in the same room with someone they should have been able to trust.

the "you wanted it" defense is simply what their rapist would tell them, and it's sick.

Not to mention the times when women didn't even see it coming, for instance, the actress who plays Sarah Tobias' lawyer was raped when 2 men BROKE INTO her apartment. She certainly wasn't asking for anything in that instance.

As to why people blame victims... I don't know. Maybe rape is just something that is both so horrible and so common, people can't fathom that there are people around them every day who have the capacity to do it, unprovoked, for no reason.

That may be one reason. It doesn't condone anything though. Every rape is different, and not everything is black and white. But rape is still rape- something that is against the wishes of someone else, and those people should be heard and respected.

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Victim blaming is so common because it's a way to justify what crimes these men commit. It excuses their disgusting acts, therefore never educating society on what is right and what is wrong.
It could also be known as the "Just World Theory" because people who believe we live in a just world know that rape only happens to girls who act bad. If a girl wears revealing clothing, flirts at bars or nightclubs, walks around late at night, goes back to a guy's house or invites him to her's, she is asking to be raped. When people believe these vile ridiculous myths, it puts them at ease to know they will never be raped if they avoid doing those things mentioned above. To me it's just plain stupid.
I was raped in the Marine Corps and I was blamed up and down for being acquainted with the guy and allowing him into my barracks. We worked together! He was a nice guy, or so I thought, so I was being courteous. Yet I'm the bad guy because I made a nice gesture, and I was being friendly by allowing him into my barracks.
It just disgusts me that society places NO blame on the men because they supposedly have needs that need to be met all the while women are the ones who are supposed to act accordingly.
Sorry for the rant, but that is the best way I can describe it. I hope this helped.

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." -Gandalf the Grey

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This is terrible, I'm so sorry that this happened to you and that this was the reaction you received.

Not all society thinks this way but too much of the time it does. It boils down to ingrained, archaic, misinformed ideas about male and female roles. Excusing rapists and blaming the (mostly) female victims is one consequence of this.

Unfortunately sexism is still rife in all cultures; it is so normalized that some people aren't even aware of it, or aware that there is still a long way to go before sexual equality becomes a reality, not just an aspiration.

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Some of those stories are just horrible. Human beings are vile. Victim blaming is partly people not wanting to think this can happen to them so they make themselves feel better by telling themselves it can only to happen to stupid or worthless people. Rapists and sex offenders are also often very convincing, charming people so when they rape someone people don't want to see them for what they are so try to put blame on the victim or call the victim a liar. Society also has a very negative view of womens sexuality so when a woman who is anything other chaste is raped some people view her as less worthy of respect as a "decent" woman so not as deserving of sympathy.

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Agreed. Although there was a case in my town where a prostitute was raped and the perpetrator jailed. A rarity, but good to see that justice can happen sometimes.

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One thing I'd add to this thread is that yeah victim blaming is common but with rape shield laws and more education about sex crimes courts have gotten a lot better. In the nearly 11 years I've worked with survivors I've seen big improvements in the court systems. The reason cases like Judge Hatch are in the news is that they're the exception not the rule.

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Why should there be rape shield laws when there are no robbery shield laws or kidnapping shield laws? Rape shield laws should be abolished.

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Cause victims of robberies and kidnappings don't get - from what I've seen - get blamed and revictimized like with the many examples Lorna's given. Even with Rape Shield Laws cases like the Ched Evans one where the girl had to change her name for her own safety and move out of her city due to death threats happen. Imagine how much worse things would be without them.

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I don't know. Why do you think it is common?

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I think victim blaming is common in every sort of wrongdoing, not just rape, and not just by men, but women too.

As an example, I had a friend who was dating a married man. I told her that's not a good idea, that she should find someone who's genuinely available and respect the boundaries of marriage, but she justified it by saying that the wife isn't good for him! I also told her that a man who can cheat on his wife will probably cheat on her at some point, but she justified that by saying that he wouldn't do that to her (again thinking that she's somehow so much better than the wife).

This is a case of a woman blaming the victim of the affair for the cause of it, and it's not uncommon to see this type of thing happening because humans are selfish, egotistical creatures who like to give excuses to justify any viewpoint they have.

Now, one of the reasons I think rape and sexual harassment are so subject to questioning and possibly even blaming the victim is that it relies almost entirely on eyewitness testimony of the victim. The difference between what's consensual often solely rests on the perceptions of the victim, and the perceptions of a single person, as we know, are very unreliable.

Meanwhile, this is going to come off as sexist, but law enforcement officials understand that eye witness testimonies of women tend to be more unreliable than men in general. This is just plain fact, and it's for reasons which can be explained psychologically and biologically: women tend to be more emotional creatures, and emotion is the general cause of bias and an obstruction of truth. In fact, we can find a lot of evidence that women lie and cheat even more often than men even though society generally applies a lot of double standards there and make it out as though men are more deceptive than women when often the opposite is true.

And this is made far worse by the likes of Harlequin novels. I read some passages and was astounded: I was reading a rape scene! The man tries to have sex with a woman, she resists, he continues. That's rape! Yet the female authors of these novels insist that this is not rape because even though the woman said "no", she actually meant "yes". She wanted this to happen to her even though she resisted (she resisted only because she wanted to act innocent), so it was actually a consensual act even though it looks like a clear cut case of rape!

Do you know how seriously confusing this is to a man?!! I think women need to do a better job of communicating their thoughts and feelings more directly. There's far too much ambiguity if we can't even tell what does and doesn't count as consent. Maybe women should just start going up to guys and saying, "Hey, I want to have sex with you." Part of the reason rape and sexual harassment is so filled with ambiguities is because of the lack of direct communication when it comes to courtship.

Harlequin novels typically contain a rape fantasy of some sort, and when we know that rape fantasies exist (and not among a trivial minority), and when we also find real cases where men have been put in prison because of rape accusations and later found innocent, then naturally we have to question the victim quite thoroughly, and that could cross over into what is construed as blaming the victim.

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"this is going to come off as sexist, but law enforcement officials understand that eye witness testimonies of women tend to be more unreliable than men in general. This is just plain fact"

It certainly isn't fact. Even if emotion was the main obstruction to truth in legal cases - which I would argue that dishonesty to cover your own back is at least as common as obstruction if not more - there is ample evidence such as the 1998 Vanderbilt study that this is not the case and women express their emotions more but are not actually more emotional.

Innocent people get jailed for every crime not just rape and there are not higher levels of this for rape than any other crime so there is no reason for accusers in rape cases to be treated any differently than accusers of any other crime. Due process and innocent until proven guilty can exist without bullying or potentially blaming the accuser. None of the examples of victim blaming given in this thread or any others I've read about have a thing to do with preventing innocent people being jailed.

As to what you say about the Harlequin novels. I do believe society should do more to teach men and women about consent however the numerous research that has been done by the David Lisak, Miller and McWharton etc into rapists has shown again and again that their crimes are not caused by misunderstandings and that they know full well what they are doing isn't what their victim wants.

There is victim blaming in other wrong doings but the example with your friend is the wrongdoer blaming the victim which is very common. The examples in this thread are of the victim being blamed by society which is more common in rape than other crimes.

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As to what you say about the Harlequin novels. I do believe society should do more to teach men and women about consent however the numerous research that has been done by the David Lisak, Miller and McWharton etc into rapists has shown again and again that their crimes are not caused by misunderstandings and that they know full well what they are doing isn't what their victim wants.


Rape is not a misunderstanding, it doesn't take a genius to figure out if a woman says no, or is too intoxicated to consent, then it's a no-go, the only people who WOULD persist afterwards know very well what they're doing and don't care about anything except what they want.

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Is it always the case? I have admittedly never witnessed a rape firsthand. I have seen, say, an episode of MTV's Real World where a man got too physical playing around with a woman, dragging her by her feet horsing around, and then she suddenly got mad and accused him of rape even though he did nothing sexual. Seeing that gave me nightmares.

And it's kind of difficult to turn a blind eye to the fact that rape fantasies exist with women who want to reenact them, Harlequin novels with women saying "no" when they mean "yes".

I'm making no claims that the majority of rape claims are illegitimate or anything like that. But articles like these scare me a lot: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

“There have been cases in Australia where people have been accused, then nothing ever happens to the accuser, even though the police believe the report is indeed false.

“This can be hugely problematic and has led to many personal and professional issues for the accused [including suicide], even when the police have proven that they did nothing wrong and are not a sex offender,” she said.


No matter how small of a minority of rape accusations are false (many think it can be as low as 2%), that's still a very scary prospect.

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It doesn't matter what some harlequin novel says. If a woman says no she means no.

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It certainly isn't fact. Even if emotion was the main obstruction to truth in legal cases - which I would argue that dishonesty to cover your own back is at least as common as obstruction if not more - there is ample evidence such as the 1998 Vanderbilt study that this is not the case and women express their emotions more but are not actually more emotional.


Apologies, perhaps my research is screwy. I was following research from early theorists and possibly some very sexist law enforcers who have apparently turned out to be questionable at best. There was no intention to obstruct, I genuinely read some articles on eyewitness testimony claiming that female testimonies can be less reliable purely based on emotional distress.

I'm also admittedly guilty of extrapolating a lot based on limited samples/experience.

Yet I always felt like there's this greater social issue at the heart of this in the way that women and men perceive each other, and about sexuality in general.

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I just finished reading a non fiction book about the middle east called PRICE OF HONOR and in some of those middle east countries being raped is a CRIME unless you can PROVE you were raped, burden of proof is entirely on the victim. Any sex outside of wedlock is a crime and rape victims can be imprisoned, killed or flogged.

It is a mystery to me why the hell the rest of the world tolerates nations like this it makes me sick.

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It is common because we live in a mostly Patriarchal society (read: ruled mostly by males) and that in all cases involving sexual activity, males get deferential treatment automatically. The rationale for this is astonishingly horrifying: we as males have no "choice" but to act due to our hormones going out of control and our sex drive being so powerful. As if we have no free will at all, and "boys will be boys". Which is of course utter nonsense. If a man can't control his sexual urges he needs professional treatment/help, in the form of drugs/therapy/hospitalization.

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So many depressingly true viewpoints here. It all proves that society has a long way to go.

I would add one more reason that victim blaming is prevalent. It's a kind of defence mechanism, i.e. if one can convince oneself that a victim did something to incite a rape (or any kind of violent crime for that matter) then it gives the illusion that one is fully in control of one's own wellbeing and can prevent the same thing happening to them. A false sense of security if you like.

An analogy here is my experience of my marriage breakdown a few years back - my XH left me suddenly for another woman. While most people were sympathetic and supportive, there were a select few implied that I deserved it, I must have neglected him, the OW gave him what I refused to, I was ignorant to the signs that he was unhappy blah blah blah. It was beyond painful to hear these things, but I recognised it for what it was - these people wanting to protect themselves from the very real possibility that something similar could easily happen to them.

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It's pathetic how much energy is invested in blaming victims of rape instead of rapists. But really it's just about avoiding responsibility or simply ignoring the problem, which is what some people will do with any victim. You can't read a news report about police brutality without someone calling the victim a thug or saying they deserved it. You won't be able to read a story about a woman reporting domestic abuse without also reading accusations that she's faking it.

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Simpleminded Nonsense. I just think people like to use the phase "victim-blaming" very casually, without even knowing the definition. Another extremist phase for women to use in our new-age society.

I would like to hear it being said "the victim is to blame for her "rape, to know what you are all taking about. And yes, women will be questioned since there are so many false accusations; that can blamed on the women who are underhanded. so, people don't know what the word "blame" means.

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Simpleminded Nonsense. I just think people like to use the phase "victim-blaming" very casually, without even knowing the definition. Another extremist phase for women to use in our new-age society.

I think you like to pretend it isn't a problem to make yourself feel better. Did you even bother reading the examples listed in the OP? Are you just here to bitch about how people confronting America's rape epidemic hurts your feelings?

And yes, women will be questioned since there are so many false accusations;

Like 5%, and you're also forgetting that over half of rapes aren't reported at all, by default lowering that statistic. And can you blame them? Like I mentioned, this applies to all examples of injustice where a clear bias exists, like police brutality and domestic abuse accusations. If you haven't been living under a rock, you'd remember that Amber Heard was accused of lying even after submitting several pieces of evidence of Depp's abuse, including pictures, video footage, and eyewitness accounts. If people are so willing to bend over backwards to discount such evidence when women are accusing men of crimes (and the skepticism in these cases is typically reserved for females), I'd say there's a problem, wouldn't you?

And don't forget about Brock Turner, or the hundreds of university students accused of rape but routinely protected from investigation by their universities. A rape victim recently committed suicide for that exact reason. But sure, there's no problem. Boys will be boys and girls shouldn't walk alone at night. Same old sh!t, and it's frankly getting tiring.

Next.

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I think you like to pretend it isn't a problem to make yourself feel better.
Rhetoric. I want to hear someone say "My client is innocent because the victim wanted to be raped". Give concrete evidence of blaming a rape victim
And don't forget about Brock Turner, or the hundreds of university students accused of rape but routinely protected from investigation by their universities. A rape victim recently committed suicide for that exact reason. But sure, there's no problem
. That is not the common occurrence. and nobody blamed the woman.

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Give concrete evidence of blaming a rape victim

Every time someone implies a victim's responsibility because of what she was wearing or whether she was drunk. It trivializes the crime by shifting focus from the perpetrator to the victim. Placing responsibility on victims is the same as blaming them. Teaching women how not to be raped is a reactive and counterproductive measure that discourages victims from coming forward, evidenced by the fact that many of them describe the process of reporting sexual crimes as feeling like being raped all over again. That shouldn't be the case.

That is not the common occurrence.

You're right. It's far more common for rapists to get away with it.

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Every time someone implies a victim's responsibility because of what she was wearing or whether she was drunk.
Really, lawyers say "she deserved it because of her clothes"? You said the word "BLAME". The word has a meaning. The judge says "the rapist is acquitted because she is to blame"?

Again, are you unconcerned by the fact that thousands of victims of sexual assault never get justice?
False. Don't accuse me of that
You're right. It's far more common for rapists to get away with it
. No, it's more common for the women to prove it since many lie. Whose fault is that? You are evasive. I see; a woman who is gang-raped is blamed for being gang-raped. No, it's about those who lie like the defendants. Use the right words.

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Really, lawyers say "she dererved it because of her clothes? You said the word "BLAME". The word has a meaning. The judge says "the rpaist is acquitted because she is to blame"?

That's not how words work, genius. To place responsibility on someone for an action is equivalent to saying that they are responsible for that action occurring, which is equivalent to saying that that person is accountable and thus to blame for the action's outcome. These logical correlations are easy to figure out with a simple google search, or a basic understanding of the English language.

False. Dont' accuse me of that

Pardon me, it's just that's it's difficult to tell when you spew bullsh!t about false rape accusations being common.

. No, it's more common for the women to prove it since many lie. Whose fault is that?

I don't understand the muddled grammar of this sentence or the logical incoherence of the statement. First, how do you know "many women lie?" I'd like to see your source on that. And furthermore, what evidence do you have that most false accusations result in convictions? The fact is that most false accusations are typically later retracted by the accuser (which is why their designated as false) or originate from individuals with mental illness who have been victims of other types of abuse. It's not like there's hoards of women just randomly accusing men of rape to get rich quick or exact revenge. This isn't Gone Girl.

In the meantime, here's a link to a recent study about rape under-reporting that you probably won't read:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/21/rape-study-report-america-us_n_4310765.html

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I don't understand the muddled grammar of this sentence or the incoherence of the statement. First, how do you know "many women lie?
You are naive to not know.
I don't understand the muddled grammar of this sentence or the incoherence of the statement
Bad tactic. If you did understand me, pompous one, you would not have replied. This is not English class, and I do not type well. I know what "responsibility" means. So, the defendants say "yes, she all invited us to force ourselves and brutalize her". Sure. I have been beaten up before, that does not mean people did not believe me because the D.A. would not press charges. Witnesses will not come forward, that is why

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You are naive to not know.

You are nefarious to jump to unfounded conclusions that result in false perceptions, which I can assume is what you're doing since you don't seem to be able to back up your BS claims. "Many women lie" is a disgusting generalization that you seem unable to support. No surprise there, because that's how generalizations work.

It appears that this stupid assumption is the basis for most of your arguments, and I see no purpose in arguing with someone as intentionally ignorant as yourself. I advise you to research more about the issue, and hopefully statistical analysis will persuade you where reason and logic alone could not.

Some other helpful links:

Study: Police routinely mishandle and misrepresent rape statistics
http://bit.ly/2dwaF2a

Study: Rape statistics by state are highly associated with misogynistic language on social media
http://bit.ly/2ddGc7N

Study: Presuming believability improves efficiency of rape investigations
http://bit.ly/2dIXH50

Study: An examination of "rape culture" as understood by public discourse on social media
http://bit.ly/2dsnaww

Peer-reviewed article about rape in the military, also addressing root causes and common rape myths (like some of the ones you've been telling)
http://bit.ly/2dDAjV3

Law review article elaborates on the "cry-wolf myth"
http://bit.ly/2cScF2i

Law review article about how rape myths influence juror perceptions and obstruct convictions
http://bit.ly/2dIITir

Anecdotal example of a rape who was denied insurance coverage because she had been previously raped before
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/insurance-companies-rape-_n_328708.html

Listen, at the end of the day, the problem is very simple: victims aren't getting justice or support and there are things that can be done and perceptions that can be altered that will improve, if not eradicate, that problem. If you were to honestly consult the evidence, I'm sure you would agree.

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and your self-absorbed opinions

You mean the scientific studies I linked? Those opinions? lol

No, it isn't my opinion that you're wrong. Your wrongness is an objective truth. You simply have failed to grasp it. Too bad.

are indicative of your overly self-assured assumptions.

Not assumptions, more like conclusions that have been reached after consulting evidence. Now asserting that "many women lie," as you have done, is indeed an assumption and until you can support it with any evidence, it remains merely a figment of your imagination.

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No, it isn't my opinion that you're wrong. Your wrongness is an objective truth. You simply have failed to grasp it. Too bad.

You cannot grasp the concept, and simple truth.
Not assumptions, more like conclusions that have been reached after consulting evidence. Now asserting that "many women lie," as you have done, is indeed an assumption and until you can support it with any evidence, it remains merely a figment of your imagination
Your evidence is a figment of your delusion which is rooted in bias. Many women do lie, which also must threaten your preconceived notions. Instead of "studies", watch the news and read the newspaper, unless that practice takes too much time and patience.

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Rhetoric. I want to hear someone say "My client is innocent because the victim wanted to be raped". Give concrete evidence of blaming a rape victim

our trendy word>> blame

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