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Is this the longest running sitcom that has never had a dvd release?


I think "Empty Nest" may be the longest running primetime sitcom that has never had a single episode released on dvd. Way to go Disney!

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Totally true. Also, don't forget that Nest was a HUGE ratings success for the majority of it's run. It was a Top 10 show for it's first five or so seasons. Mainly because of it's lead-in, and parent show, The Golden Girls. Most people forget that.

Sadly, it will likely never see a DVD release. Despite it's popularity at the time, it's just one of those shows that time has literally forgot. The show has almost become obscure and that doesn't make them money.

"I'm nostalgic for conversations I had yesterday."

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Aztec,
Although it has been largely forgotten, I wouldn't say that a dvd release is totally out of the question.

"Alice" (the Linda Lavin sitcom) was all but forgotten when Warner Brothers released season 1 on dvd last year. The dvds were so successful that the first 3 seasons have already been released.

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I totally see your point TVmovie but I think Alice is a bit different in that it falls into a slightly more "80's Cult TV" category. While it's most definitely a "forgotten" show, Alice has the benefit of being a little more prominent in popular culture and thus has more of a cultish following.

Empty Nest on the other hand is somewhat of a different animal. Despite it being wildly successful ratings wise back in it's heyday, it's just fallen out of public consciousness. Wanting to capitalize on the success of it's Golden Girls reruns, The Hallmark Channel even attempted to revive Nest reruns a couple years back. They failed miserably, pulling the episodes from it's schedule a mere two months after premiering, presumably due to low ratings and lack of interest.

At the end of the day lots of series don't see a DVD release. Even the ones that were super popular at one time. Look at Murphy Brown for example. It was a ratings behemoth in it's day. Season one got released several years back and....that was it. Low sales were likely the reason subsequent seasons never saw the light of day.

Don't get me wrong, I love Nest. To this day it remains a childhood favorite of mine. And I'm not saying that a DVD release is out of the question. At this point though, it just seems pretty unlikely.

"I'm nostalgic for conversations I had yesterday."

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Shows predating 2000 are routinely treated like crap by big studios. There are plenty of long-running, highly rated shows that aren't released or given a bare bones release of one season and then abandoned.

Thankfully a few smaller companies have bought the rights to some niche shows and released them. I rather doubt this will happen with Empty Nest though. I can't imagine Disney selling the rights or being interested in something "old" like EN. Pity really because the show was enjoyable.

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Totally true LightFanstasic. There are a handful of those smaller companies you mentioned picking up series and finding success with them.

One of those companies that springs to mind is Shout! Factory. They have found quite the niche/cult audience with a number of shows in the last few years. Case in point: Designing Women. This was a show that one of the big dogs, Sony, had full intentions of releasing back in like 2005. They released an initial "Best Of" disc with about half a dozen episodes to test the market and it performed well. Sadly, the project was abandoned entirely when Sony announced it wasn't going to pony up the money for music rights for all the popular music that appeared in the series. Seeing an opportunity, Shout stepped in and announced it would release DW. They sidestepped the music rights by trimming a number of songs from various episodes (I have since learned that music rights are a big reason many shows don't ever see releases). The series did so well that they released all seven seasons. Now it has become one of the leading "boutique" DVD companies with a wide array of obscure tv shows and movies from the last 50 years.

"I'm nostalgic for conversations I had yesterday."

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Some shows are easier to release than others. Shows that incorporated a lot of pop music have to be gone over with a fine tooth comb, and every song with a longer-than-"fair use" clip has to have an application for permission from the original artist, and an arrangement for royalties (plus, lawyers), or else somehow edited out, or rerecorded in some way as a cover. This is the problem with Murphy Brown most likely. It was probably expensive to put together, because every single episode had at least one 60s song in the opening credits, and other songs incorporated, all the Barry Manilow, for one thing. When you need to put that much work into something, the return on the investment is smaller.

Alice was a "small" show. Almost every episode took place on a single set, there was rarely any outside music or other outside sources that needed to be dealt with, and many fewer guest stars to pay royalties too, in particular name guest stars, whose contracts may have specified something more than scale for DVD releases.

Which is another thing. Shows from before the VHS era probably did not include "home materials" (VHS, DVD, digital files) in the royalties contracts on the one-time, and particularly, big name, guest stars, so they may not get anything from DVD releases, and it may be legal, and certainly saves money in contacting every one of them and arranging payment. A lot of the DVD preparation may be arranging royalties, or outright buying, DVD rights to the performances of guest stars. Probably, in the 21st century, studios were more contract savvy, and may have put single DVD fees in contracts, or limited to responsibility of the studio to track down someone who had left the business, but the late 1980s and early 1990s were probably the most difficult time, with ambiguous contract clauses written.

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Interesting points.

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The expense of Murphy brown coupled with it's ingrained topicality is why it never did well in syndication which is why it's now a forgotten show... It being forgotten is why DVDs are an impossibility for the show unless shout factory rescue it. This show is simply forgotten cause it just kind of is, it never took on a cult 80s 90s vibe and is no maily remembered as that golden girls spin off, if that. Sad I used to love this show back in the day.

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It is likely that ABC/Disney does not have a provision in the contract with the creators of Empty Nest for private home entertainment distribution. Sounds more like ABC/Disney had a simple broadcast carrier contract. After the success of the Golden Girls the creators probably felt that Empty Nest would be more profitable to them if they did not relinquish control of syndication rights, and various forms of distribution to ABC/Disney. It isn't always so easy. I'm sure it would have been released by now but it could be that ABC does not want to pay up front for distribution costs and/or licensing and it could be that the creators of the series do not have the financial means to do it themselves or shop around for an independent distributor like Shout Factory and they're certainly not going to give it away for free. Just another theory on it.

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No. ABC owns all distribution rights. They have chosen not to release it on DVD because they feel there is no market for it, given that the show has never done well in syndicated and cable reruns.

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... the show has never done well in syndicated and cable reruns.

Any idea as to why this is?

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At the very least you would think they would release it via Amazon DVD on demand. It costs them very little and if it doesn't sell they aren't out much money. If it takes off and sells well they can reconsider and do a real release. The other option is to do a stream or download only which costs even less. I can't believe they can't try one of these avenues. Argh!

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Excellent point. Maybe a Netflix stream, also? So, maybe there is hope!

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