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There is sooo much wrong with this movie it's not even funny


This movie is a joke. Every person involved in making this film obviously had absolutely no wilderness experience. I thought Kevin Bacon was supposed to be the guide yet he thought going down a river full of rapids with a kid and a broken leg was a good idea?? He's the GUIDE, he should have known there was a WATERFALL on the damn river. So stupid. Then the helicopter just happened to find them after their near drowning experience. Also not once in the movie did I see anyone pull out a map and compass. How would you know where you are. It didn't appear to me like they were on any marked trail. And who the hell in their right mind would go rock climbing in a pair of hiking boots. And why the hell does Kevin Bacon have 2000 carabiners. And how did Sean Asstin find them after getting out of the hanging rope obstacle. He didn't see where they went. I only caught the second half of this movie but i wish i had seen it all so i could make this post twice as long. Terrible movie.

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They werer following a trail the whole movie. Vic took two other groups before this trip. He found them when he got out of the rope because he followed the trail. Watch the full movie before speaking.

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I would rather not, the second half of the movie was bad enough. I don't even want to know what the first half was like. And what kind of hiking trail requires someone to swing across a cliff on a rope. What a crock. If Vic knew they would have to rock climb wouldn't he make sure his group had climbing shoes? You cant rock climb in hiking boots, it just wouldn't work. Plus, the whole canoing down river with rapids with a broken leg is the worst thing you could possibly do. A guide that takes groups out regularly should know theres a waterfall on the river thats in the wilderness where he guides. Poorly made movie. I don't need to see all of it.

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For not liking it you sure put enough thought into it. Most people that aren't into a movie their watching simply change the channel. You must be bored.

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get a life and stop talking down about this movie... it's a pretty good movie, and it's Sean Astin, not Sean Asstin

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Funny you should make comments like that when you obviously don't have much experience in the type of environment they were in. They were obviously in a well traveled, crowded national park. The reason they were so alone was because they were late in the season. The helicopter found them so easily because the rangers just followed the river and saw two brightly colored life jackets. The directions the rangers got was probably along the lines of "I dunno, up the river...".
He did know there was a waterfall on the river. He also probably had first aid training and knew that he likely wouldn't last the night. How was he supposed to know the other kids would find the ranger station? He took his chances on the river instead of suffering through a certain death. Also, he probably had a concussion and wasn't thinking straight. I've had a concussion and was in shock before, and I certainly wasn't thinking straight. In fact, I was so out of it I'd have never been able to follow a simple trail.
They didn't need a map because the guide had probably been hiking this park since he was a little kid. They were on a well traveled trail that he'd previously done two times that summer alone. The carabiners he was using as a weight. True, he could have used something more well suited, but he probably just bought a crapload at the beginning of the season cause he knew his kids would likely lose a lot of them along the way.
I found this movie to be very well made. A lot of the hiking and camping stuff was fairly accurate. I remember those stupid tents and I in fact lost a set of poles while hiking one time. They didn't like to be tied down and slipped out easily. He did change into rock climbing shoes, they said "he changed his boots." I've gone rock climbing in my *sneakers* before, so I don't know what you're talking about there. Course, I'm not really one for using the proper equipment. If I was teaching a bunch of kids how to rock climb I'd probably get them to use the proper safety equipment, so I guess he failed as an instructor there. But then, as I've said, he wasn't much of an instructor anyways.

Good movie, definitely in my top 20 summer movies. I'll definitely be taking my kids on a trip such as this one day.

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I just got back from hiking 1800 miles of the Appalachian Trail. Kevin Bacon sucks.

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One of the things I was puzzled by was what are we supposed to think of the Kevin Bacon character? Was he in the wrong for provolking a mutiny, or were the kids just in rebellion against legitimate authority? The scene that gave the impression that he crossed the line was when the Astin kid found a more efficient way of catching fish during survival training, where you have to weigh the advantages of getting food against the calories burned in seeking it. Should there be any such thing as cheating, or just whatever works the best?

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That's what I was wondering throughout the movie about Vic, the Kevin Bacon character. What was his motivation? his ulterior motive?

I looked at the movie's premise as a sort of "survival training" for teen kids. (Whether anyone would trust their kids alone in the wilderness for weeks with a stranger is a totally different question altogether. I kept thinking of Kevin Bacon in Sleepers.)

I thought Vic's actions were fairly explainable and reasonable (under the category of tough love) until the fish trap incident. The fish trap did not utilize the skill Vic was trying to teach, but I figure if it worked, more power and kudos to the kid. Though punishing the kid (making him clean fish) for his ingenuity was unjust, I really saw the second part, the kid being left on the island overnight, as at least partially the kid's fault for being stubborn (yet another lesson to learn perhaps). Just or not, finished or not, he could have signaled to be picked up.

"Abandoning" the kids overnight in that storm (seemingly irresponsible though it may seem) may have been a tactic to demonstrate how physically dependant they still were (absence making the heart grow fonder)on Vic, or, possibly, another planned part of the training, demonstrating that they can persevere on their own. I think it's clear that he was always nearby, monitoring them, able to intervene if they were in any real danger.

Now the Devil's Tooth climb seemed like a planned side trip, one that he probably scouted and did before with other groups. Despite other comments here, it looked more like a low pitch hiking ascent or a scramble and not the type of rock-climbing mountaineering that would require special shoes, harnesses, and protection. Heck, they were all wearing huge external frame packs with ENORMOUS sleeping bags. What I wanted to say about this sequence though is that this is the point at which Vic the guide crossed the line. He should have tried other methods of encouraging him across the pendulum swing, and then, waited until the kid eventually did something to help himself (which he eventually did, alone). Leaving the kid hanging, totally unsupervised, was clearly unreasonably dangerous.

Hereafter, I think the movie took it's biggest leap. I understood that the campers were becoming disgruntled with Vic's tough leadership and loyalty was shifting to the comrade left dangling, but, come on, for them to collectively turn so violent and almost homicidal... eh... I don't know. I guess they needed to advance the plot (with the real crisis which necessitated them really growing up and taking responsibility).

Overall, I thought it was a decent movie and I enjoyed it, as I don't think enough movies are made which even attempt to use these "enjoying the outdoor" themes and settings.

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I went on extreme camping, rafting, climbing camps when I was like 15. They pushed you to your limits, but we never questioned authority, as we felt they had our long term best interests at heart. I remember we went without water for 3 days in a drought year: we suffered but we made it. I think those experiences prepared me for difficult turns in life, and gave me the ability to be an elite outdoor athelete that I am today.

Kevin Bacon's heart was in the right place in this film, he just had too many soft City kids.

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It's called 'suspension of disbelief'. You might want to look into it.

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I think the "movie" is just fine the way it is.Good times good times.

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*beep* brah (OP). i go rock climbing in my vans, or even better: barefoot.

you'll never have better traction/grip than your bare foot will allow you.

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The Vic character confused me...is he a villain or just nuts. Still like the movie.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of fiction. If you don't like it, stick to documentaries.

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Such an old post but so idiotic that I will reply anyway.

Is it the best movie ever? Not even close. That being said, the OP obviously did not see the whole movie and clearly did not understand much of the parts he DID see. You may have some valid points but they are almost completely lost in the rest of the stupid things you said.

Do the world a favor and STFU unless you know what you're talking about.


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