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Mr. Escalante was out of control! *spoilers*


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Working is fine and is very necessary, but making these kids work through Christmas break was too much! Everybody needs a break, and he was a man obsessed.

Even a heart attack didn't 'tell' him to rest.


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...Well, he wanted a better life for these kids who normally wouldn't be given the chance to go anywhere after highschool. This Calculus exam would give them a College credit and would obviously look good on a resume. Not a bad sacrifice to miss Chrismas break for.

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How can I reech dees KEEEDS??

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Look behind you! A THREE-headed monkey!!!!!!

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Well, yeah, it was a little nuts. I'm not sure I would stay in a class like that. By the way, in real life, he didn't have a heart attack, but a gall bladder attack. But I think he did relax more, like he stopped doing the evening classes.

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Agreed. It was simply too much effort to make minorities "normal".

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during the summer is when you learn all the good 'night moves'.



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"Rue the day?" Who talks like that?

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It isn't only the teachers. In California a lot of dedicated and effective teachers leave teaching because the administration above them only think of themselves and forget what it is like in the trenches so to speak.I was in first grade in Northern California in 1959/60. There were 36 students, one teacher and no aides. Special Ed was at another school exclusively. Disciplinary problems started out with writing essays about behavior at 200 words. You stood outside the principal's office during recess and lunch till you got it done. For serious infractions there was the paddle. I don't think the principals used that much. They preferred to use the writing method which the top number of words I heard about was around 5000. The parents were behind the students also and also the school. The kids got it at home also if they misbehaved at school. We learned and behaved. Nowadays many parents are for the kids only and will not back up the schools. Also the state has gotten into being advocates for the students. In some ways this is good but discipline went down the tubes because kids learned to scream "child abuse" and parents got scared the state would take away their kids. For some parents it was child abuse so no excuse there for those victims. Our teachers also believed in us. I didn't have but two ineffective teachers in the 12 years of grades 1-12. One was my 2nd grade teacher and the other was a substitute for 6 weeks (the infamous Jim Jones of People's Temple fame). Those were the years of dedicated teachers before the state started in to demoralize teachers and tell them what to do instead of letting the teacers actually teach. They loaded them down with documentation paperwork and left them no time to teach and work with the kids. They came up with so many statutes it was ridiculous. In one class I taught the kids the old tricks of adding and multiplying of adding zeros to multiplying any number ending in zero. I also taught them how to double check their answers by dividing and back checking their answers and the tricks with multiplying by 11. The next day the teacher told me that the state didn't allow those tricks to be taught anymore but on the other hand her 5 classes remembered those tricks and were using them. Sad but true in Southern California.

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well, sometimes someone should take a stand.



Season's Greetings!

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well, sometimes someone should take a stand.

And deliver.

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i can only do one thing at a time. 



'The only mystery in life is why the kamikaze pilots wore helmets.'-Al McGuire

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Mr. Escalante was not out of control. He was determined. If a white teacher did this, he/she would be cheered.

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The question is, did the real Jaime Escalante make "these kids work through Christmas break"? He would not have been successful if he had done many of the things shown in the movie.

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Kids back in 1988 were much tougher than they are now. We don't even have school anymore thanks to the Chinese virus!

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Bravo Mr. Escalante!

Wah....summer break wasn't long enough.....had to do school work on Christmas break....boo hoo.

It was for their good and their life was enriched by it. Hard work, focus, discipline, learning, knowledge, achievement, opportunity. This bore FRUIT in their lives. They are better off because of it.

"students have gone on to successful careers in medicine, law, business and engineering..."

If he had not come into their life and pushed them and taught them work ethnic I doubt these students would have excelled in life they way many did. So too bad they did school work on Christmas break back then. I'm sure they'd not go back and change it if they could.

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