Cruel Irony - Project X (1987) Discussion

[–] megmahone 17 years ago

Cite your sources!

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He doesn't need to CITE *beep* It's known fact! Use your stubby fingers and check google out! Any abusers deserve to be abused themselves! Plain and simple!

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[–] modano1973 17 years ago

I had posted this information on the Chimp Abuse post a couple of years ago but i thought i'd include it here since someone was asking to 'cite your sources':

Here are a couple of excerpts from two online articles, profiling The Price Is Right game show host Bob Barker, who is a dedicated animal activist.

Barker made headlines again when, while working with Los Angeles-based United Activists for Animal Rights (UAAR), he helped expose animal cruelty on the set of the 1987 movie Project X. Barker’s work resulted in an investigation by the Los Angeles Department of Animal Regulation, which recommended that charges be filed against some of the animal trainers.

The second article excerpt:

AHA (American Humane Society) was on the set of Project X when witnesses claim chimpanzees were beaten. Bob Barker, animal rights activist and host of The Price Is Right on CBS, gave their statements to law enforcement.

"The trainer struck the chimpanzees across the back, shoulder area and chest area with clubs and blackjacks," said Barker.

Government investigators found numerous animal cruelty violations but AHA defended the trainers and sued Barker, whose insurance company later settled with AHA.

Both articles can be found via:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/03/13/eveningnews/main278577.shtml

http://www.petfinder.com/journalindex.cgi?path=/public/justforfun/celebrityprofile/1.44.1.txt

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[–] DelendaEst 17 years ago

damn

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[–] CorporateTakeover 17 years ago

thats so sad =[

Right,
"The Sun Will Come Out Tomorrow"
...Fat chance

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[–] fatboyz 16 years ago

"hit with clubs and blackjacks"????? whats a blackjack?? here in england a blackjack is a sweet???

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[–] darth_borehd 16 years ago

It's a basically a bag with heavy weights in one end, like putting a brick in a sock. It's also called a "sap".

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[–] YankeeDood 9 years ago

Yeah animal abusers need stiff sentences.
There is a huge difference in killing an animal out of necessity (like food) and torturing one for no reason at all. The latter is definitely a crime.

"It's never over."
- The Tall Man

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[–] grazatt 17 years ago

They treated them cruelly because it is hard to get chimps to preform without doing so.

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[–] wwmmjr 17 years ago

Surly you're joking . If someone (not you ... you're just being humorous) with a sixth grade education was ordered to complete a partially completed quantum equation , how many times would I have to zap them with an electric shock before they completed the task ? ... Right !
I thought it was an excellent movie ; I found the absence of "harsh four letter profanity" to be refreshing , and the plot a classic case of "Good guy verses Bad guy" . If you're an animal lover , that fact is an amplification .
Subjectively , I found the generator of the ionizing radiation to just "look" like bad news . Objectively , the number of "Rads" mentioned (I believe it was 3500 , but could be wrong) would be very rapidly lethal . "Rads" is an obsolete term , but in perspective , 200 Rads (total body) will result in a very unpleasant death . I could equate same with various industrial accidents and Chernobyl , but the point is made .
Ending on a happy note , the film will be viewable on a non-network channel , 9 Nov 07 .
My respect for Mr Barker just took a giant step forward . If such cruelty did in fact happen , I'm sure that it was a learning event for the media ... fine fragrance of perfume resulting from a smashed ugly bottle .
One final note : Matt Broderick's father did a fine job in the film adaptation of Mary McCarthy's "The Group" ; the film (of the same name) is (in my opinion) an undiscovered gem .
My wife and I are looking forward to recording the 9Nov showing .
Regards , walt martin

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[–] grazatt 16 years ago

It is no joke, Chips are too smart too strong and too aggressive to be trained with just kindness. Intelligence does not equal compliance

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[–] SkaterDave 15 years ago

That's ridiculous grazatt. If they're as smart as you claim..which they are... they understand kindness and respond to it in training better then hurting them.

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[–] SoTyred 13 years ago

Then maybe they ooughta be left alone you *beep*.

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[–] BasqueNYC 12 years ago

Very true 200 rads is deadly when Chernobyl first happened I was in Spain briefly living there and in NYC,US and the US and Europe didn't know exactly what was goin on just kept seeing that looped footage of a Ariel view of the plant far away.Many if the soviets weren't so proud and thinking they were the most powerful thing on the planet most wertsern nations could have helped.

But if you see how those first responding firemen or that Russian guy he was a helicopter pilot and was tring to douse the fire or something who s a hero cause he saved perhaps thousands by staking the radiation,their deaths were brutal,cancer everything they looked like the skin was coming off their bodies

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[–] abavisg 16 years ago

The chimps possibly have more brain than you, moron. It's because of idiots like you that this world sucks. You are such a loser.

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[–] brodiebruce_405 16 years ago

LOL you're the stupid "monkie", since a chimpanzee is an ape.

Censor *beep* Sucks.

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[–] Naturezrevenge 16 years ago

Also sad and ironic is that 2 of the chimps used in this film (including "Virgil") were acquired from bio medical testing labs. Happily the two chimps who were supposed to return to the lab (don't get me started on how sad and horrific this is), ended up going to a primate sanctuary instead of being condemned to a life of suffering. It really is shameful what our species does to other creatures. Even a film created to show the intelligence of apes and question the ethics of animal research involved mistreating animals. So sad, so unevolved.

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[–] Splarne 10 years ago

whats even more sad is the number of people that died from cancer since 1987 that could have saved had the chimp testing been allowed to be carried out.

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[–] jimbo-38 15 years ago

It's just another example of Hollywood hypocrisy. Just as "movie and rock stars" promote fighting global warming, they're usually the most guilty in causing it. Then they come up with some bs about buying carbon credits.

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[–] captlupin 14 years ago

The chimps in this movie are almost babies theres no need to hurt them.

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[–] reziztor 14 years ago

Chimps are dangerous and stubborn creatures. How many of you have tried to get a chimp to do something on film while money goes down the drain? "Kindness" is not natural, thats a human illusion. The animal kingdom is brutal, merciless and full or gore. The trainers did what they had to do. And as someone already said, two of the chimps were saved from labs. The real irony of this movie is how it changed so many young peoples minds about animal cruelty and yet silly wide-eyed hippies want to bite from the hand that feeds their rhetoric.

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[–] Taranaichsaurus 14 years ago

If anyone actually bothered to read the second article, it would reveal that the allegations of animal cruelty were completely groundless, and based on rumour and hearsay. The "blackjacks" turned out to be small paddles and batons used for reprimands.

Barker made these allegations against the film. In turn, Barker was sued... and it was settled out of court. In other words, Barker & company couldn't prove any wrongdoing on the production's part, so agreed to pay an undisclosed settlement for damages. If there was animal cruelty going on, no way would there be a settlement.

The American Humane Association were watching the production like a hawk, and have been doing so on countless projects for the past 50 years. If they say there was no animal cruelty, there was no animal cruelty.

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[–] nonoG 14 years ago

This kind of thing is still going on. I work for PCRM who is urging NASA to stop their proposed radiation experiments involving live squirrel monkeys.

Take action here: http://pcrmlf.org/nasa/

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[–] BanzaiTron 9 years ago

If anyone actually bothered to read the second article, it would reveal that the allegations of animal cruelty were completely groundless, and based on rumour and hearsay. The "blackjacks" turned out to be small paddles and batons used for reprimands.

Barker made these allegations against the film. In turn, Barker was sued... and it was settled out of court. In other words, Barker & company couldn't prove any wrongdoing on the production's part, so agreed to pay an undisclosed settlement for damages. If there was animal cruelty going on, no way would there be a settlement.

The American Humane Association were watching the production like a hawk, and have been doing so on countless projects for the past 50 years. If they say there was no animal cruelty, there was no animal cruelty.

Well there you go, idiots like the OP and those supporting his ballsack never even bothered to get the full f@cking facts straight before jumping like a moron to false conclusion.

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[–] SoTyred 13 years ago

Glad you're a fan of brutality. Hope to hear you and yours die in a mall shooting sometime soon.

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[–] YankeeDood 9 years ago

Agreed.

"It's never over."
- The Tall Man

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[–] crazyhellboy 12 years ago

Oh, I thought the cruel irony is that Matthew Broderick and Helen Hunt look like monkeys now.

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