Mexican chick


Why the hell didn't Arnie kill her? And why the hell were we supposed to sympathize with her? These guerillas were obviously not good people.

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I think they discovered the Predator didn't attack unarmed people through her character.

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Then why did he kill that wounded guy they were dragging along? What was the "sport" in that?

There really was no point to that supposed rule except for keeping that annoying chick alive. And it still doesn't explain why Arnie didn't kill her off when she attacked him!

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never hurts to have a pretty girl around in a movie mostly watched by men.

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She wasn't that goodlooking, Mitch. But why not make her an innocent villager or a teenage girl if we're supposed to sympathize with her? I even liked Jesse Ventura better, for god's sake!

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I agree that they prob would have killed her but I assumed that they thought she knew things that might help them. One of their few clues came from her. It was an "enemy of my enemy ..." situation.

Killing the wounded guy is also hunter style. You put the animal out of its misery.

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I disagree. Arnie had no trouble shooting every other guerilla he saw, but when he turned and saw her he immediately stopped, even though she could've killed him on the spot. His first reflex should've been to gun her down, he had no time to think about whether she could be useful. So why didn't he? Because she was a woman? I have no idea, it was an extremely dumb move.

There's no "sport" to killing a wounded animal. Maybe he'd resort to that after killing off everybody else.

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She's a witch!
She must have a telepathic "you dont want to shoot me" power that worked on Dutch , and on the Predator :)

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It's disturbing that you seem so mystified as to why the Arnie character would decline to kill the female character after he'd already knocked her unconscious.

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"after he'd already knocked her unconscious."

Learn how to read, I did not suggest that even once.

Me being "mystified" is absolutely logical since he didn't hesitate shooting every man in that camp even when they weren't pointing a gun at him.

The fact that you find that "disturbing" is absolutely loony.🤪

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she was smoking hot

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If you like your women with a moustache, sure.

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she look good naked in salvador

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Good for you.

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Oh how I wish today's Hollywood would remember this very basic rule...

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Poncho was holding a Heckler & Koch HK94A3 when he was killed.

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The guy was injured and hardly able to defend himself. How is that a hunt? The logical thing would be for him to go for Arnie first. Like I said, that rule served no purpose except to keep that annoying chick alive.

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He was conscious, alert, and well-armed. He is also an elite soldier. If you think he wasn't a threat because he had broken ribs, you are being foolish.
Considering this is all a sport to the predator, he may have been saving the best for last. He may have wanted to go one on one with Dutch since he was the leader and the most dangerous.

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No, I'm not being foolish. The predator had no clue about whether he was an elite soldier. But just like us, he could see the guy was incapable of moving around by himself. He was also shot from behind. Again, there's no "sport" in that.

They shouldn't have made up that whole rule, because it was just stupid and had no bearing on the plot (he still went after Arnie when he was unarmed). It makes no sense either, because a real predator/hunter goes after the weak and defenseless. The rule was only made up to keep that dumb broad alive.

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No, the rule about only killing armed prey was crucial to the Predator character, he was looking for a challenge. He selected Dutch’s team precisely because they were the most challenging human adversaries, and he deliberately wanted to take on Dutch alone at the end - which is why he destroys Dutch’s gun, and then removes his own firepower before the climactic fight.

The woman was unarmed and so wasn’t a threat. Poncho was both armed and was one of Dutch’s team who needed to be finished off because he was wounded beyond repair and was holding up the mano-a-mano battle that the Predator was gearing up for.

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If he really wanted a challenge, he wouldn't go to the jungle in Central-America every year. The "rule" (and the broad) turned out to be completely pointless.

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He is one of several Predators, they go to various places as we know from the other films, and clearly he did find a challenge because he was beaten and killed.

The rule isn’t pointless because murdering unarmed non-combatants is considered unsportsmanlike and defeats the purpose of the hunting expedition.

This isn’t difficult.

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Only because Dutch and his team showed up, which he had no way of knowing.

The other movies have nothing to do with the writing of the first movie.

It's pointless because the rule and the broad had no effect on the plot.

Don't be a condescending prick. It isn't difficult...for most people at least.

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Only because Dutch and his team showed up, which he had no way of knowing.


He had no way of knowing what would present itself on planet earth, but he chose Latin America, an unstable region with plenty of military presence, and heat. The Predator wants a challenge and relished the opportunity to go up against Dutch and his team of elite soldiers. He deliberately toyed with them and manufactured a mano-a-mano fight with Dutch.

The Predator found exactly the kind of challenge he was looking for.


The other movies have nothing to do with the writing of the first movie.


So what? How does this help your point?


It's pointless because the rule and the broad had no effect on the plot.


Wrong. The woman helped to emphasise the notion the Predators don’t attack unarmed non-combatants. She also added crucial backstory about the recurring visits of Predators, fleshing out the mythology. Finally, she was there to show the merciful side of Dutch’s character.

As for the rule itself, it’s an essential characteristic of the Predator and its motivation to be a hunter, not a careless mass murderer.


Don't be a condescending prick. It isn't difficult...for most people at least.


I’m genuinely trying to help you understand things which are patently obvious and self-evident. If you find it patronising then pay attention to the film and you won’t need to be schooled.

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The most dangerous warriors in the world are not to be found in the jungle of Central-America. He came upon Arnie and his team by complete chance. But this is beside the point. Like I said, it doesn't matter if he knows they're elite soldiers, Arnie wasn't severly injured while the other guy was.

"The woman helped to emphasise the notion the Predators don’t attack unarmed non-combatants."

Which had no bearing on the plot.

It's totally obvious why you shouldn't use sequels to explain the original movie.

You're pointing out things that don't need to be pointed out because they have nothing to do with the issue. It's very sad that you think you're such a smartass, while in fact you are completely oblivious.

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The most dangerous warriors in the world are not to be found in the jungle of Central-America. He came upon Arnie and his team by complete chance. But this is beside the point. Like I said, it doesn't matter if he knows they're elite soldiers, Arnie wasn't severly injured while the other guy was.


Your nitpicking has reached deranged levels. The Central American jungle had the combination of heat, trees and high-tech armed conflict that the Predators wanted. When he spotted Arnie, he had selected his opponent and went about picking off his team until the two of them could face off.


Which had no bearing on the plot.


Yes it did, it explained the Predator’s intent, which drives the whole plot 🤦🏻‍♂️

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Lol, you bring back a discussion from 8 months ago and you accuse ME of acting deranged??? You must've forgotten to take your meds!

You've clearly missed the point AGAIN. One, the Predator had no way of knowing Arnie and his team would be a challenge just because they were in Central-America. Two, that's actually beside the point. It doesn't matter if he knows they're elite soldiers, Arnie wasn't severly injured while the other guy was. Going after the injured guy is no challenge.

The fact that the Predators don’t attack unarmed non-combatants has no bearing on the plot, because all of the characters (except the useless broad) were armed. Take out that line and the movie would still be the same.

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Who cares when you wrote your last post? It was wrong then and it’s wrong now. Helping you to understand Predator is an act of extreme generosity on my part, so show some gratitude instead of whining because you didn’t get enough attention.

The Predator didn’t need to know Arnie and his team would be there, he was hunting in an appropriate area and a ‘big fish’ came along, it’s very simple.

Regarding Poncho, he was both armed and was one of Dutch’s team who needed to be finished off because he was wounded beyond repair and was holding up the mano-a-mano battle that the Predator was gearing up for. This has already been explained to you.

The detail about the Predator not killing unarmed people is crucial to explaining the Predator’s intent, which drives the whole plot. He has an honour code and is not just a bloodthirsty mass murderer, it’s one of the defining aspects of the creature and sets it apart from other killer aliens in movies. How is this stuff not obvious to you?

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Who cares about a discussion that stopped 8 months ago? It makes your accusations of derangement hypocritical.

How could you help anyone understand, when you fail to understand it every single time?

You claimed that the Predator went after Arnie and his team because they were elite soldiers. You're wrong, he had no idea who they were.

"The detail about the Predator not killing unarmed people is crucial to explaining the Predator’s intent, which drives the whole plot"

Complete and utter nonsense. What drives the plot is that the Predator prefers going after armed people because he likes a challenge. Arnie was uninjured and armed, so much more of a challenge than Poncho. And the ending even ignores its own rule, because the Predator went after Arnie when he was unarmed. How low is your IQ that you do not get this, you condescending, hypocritical, little boy?

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You claimed that the Predator went after Arnie and his team because they were elite soldiers. You're wrong, he had no idea who they were.


Idiot. He observed their attack on the base and saw how easily they wiped out their opponents, on that basis he selected Dutch and began stalking them.

What drives the plot is that the Predator prefers going after armed people because he likes a challenge. Arnie was uninjured and armed, so much more of a challenge than Poncho. And the ending even ignores its own rule, because the Predator went after Arnie when he was unarmed.


Again, idiot. He doesn’t kill Arnie at that point because his goal is to have a mano-a-mano fight with Arnie stripped of their weapons.

I really hope you’re trolling because if you can’t understand this very simple film then we have to consider mental illness. Trying to reason with a cognitive invalid is starting to feel like an act of cruelty on my part and I’m just not that mean, so here’s what we’ll do - if anyone thinks that anything Stratego has said in this ‘discussion’ is remotely accurate, valid or insightful or thinks that I haven’t adequately explained myself then please mention it and I’ll be happy to respond.

Needless to say, this invitation doesn’t extend to you, Stratego, and any reply from you to this post, or any others of mine on this thread, will be considered an apology for your rank stupidity, regardless of what text you write.

Let’s hope, for your sake, that someone can find something remotely valid in your... contributions.

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I'll be diplomatic. You both put up an epic battle for months. Clearly, you both enjoyed the movie. You should both walk away, heads held high...and live to debate another day. (And now I must go. I hear things are getting chippy on the "On Golden Pond" boards!)

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It’s nice of you to be diplomatic but the fact is that Stratego is wrong and I’m right, unless you can point to something that says otherwise?

Your earlier post was more accurate:

Stratego put up a gallant fight...but ultimately he was outnumbered and taken down like a dog.


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Lol, how two-faced are you?!

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If you've got to resort to name-calling, it's only more proof your arguments are weak, little boy.

You said the Predator went after Poncho because he was an elite soldier. The Predator had no clue who he was.

"Again, idiot. He doesn’t kill Arnie at that point because his goal is to have a mano-a-mano fight with Arnie stripped of their weapons."

You clearly don't know what the word "idiot" means. You should save it for yourself. You claimed the plot is driven by the fact that the Predator does not go after unarmed people. Therefore he should've quit the moment Arnie was without weapons.

Good lord, what a deranged rant of yours. You have to be delusional to think anybody else cares about the nonsense you're spouting. The only reason I'm still responding to you, is because it's so easy to prove you wrong. Absolutely hilarious.

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Insults are unnecessary here. Drooch effectively explained the purpose, motivations and knowledgeability of the Predator, as well as Anna's contribution to the movie and plot.

Let me add that another reason Anna wasn't shot was obviously because the commandos are macho men -- top-tier alpha males -- and she's a babelicious female. The "protective knight" syndrome naturally kicked in.

They didn't consider her enough of a threat to kill, plus the knowledge she could supply was valuable enough to keep her alive.

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"Insults are unnecessary here"

Why are you telling this to ME???

Drooch didn't do anything "effectively", because he misses the point EVERY SINGLE time and only resorts to name-calling and insult-throwing.

Seems you are missing the point as well. When Arnie turned around he had no idea who he was facing. He had no problem shooting anybody else in that camp, so it was absolutely ridiculous he didn't shoot her, especially since she was armed.

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You have a legitimate point, but the scriptwriter of that particular scene provided just enough reason for Anna not being killed by Dutch:

The commandos were wiping out every member of the camp when Anna stealthily approaches Dutch from behind with a handgun. He hears the 'click' of the gun and so turns and rams the assailant with the butt of his rifle. The assailant falls to the floor wherein Dutch observes (1) that it's a comely female and (2) that she's knocked out and therefore not an immediate threat. He chooses not to shoot her at this point for these reasons and likely the fact that his "protective knight" instincts kick-in. Remember, he's a manly Alpha male.

Shortly later, Dillon insists on taking Anna with the Commandos because she had valuable knowledge about the guerrilla's jungle network. Since Dillon was the technical authority in the expedition Dutch acquiesced.

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He shot guerillas who didn't even have weapons, why would he choose to ram her with the butt of his rifle before even seeing her?

If the writer really wants me to believe he didn't kill her because she's a female, that's absolutely moronic because it would make Arnie the worst "elite soldier" ever.

"she had valuable knowledge about the guerrilla's jungle network."

Which played hardly any role, so the writer could've easily left out this annoying character.

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Ramming the assailant was the quickest and most effective way to take down the attacker at that moment. If he took the time to turn around with his machine gun and shoot he would've been dead.

If the writer really wants me to believe he didn't kill her because she's a female, that's absolutely moronic because it would make Arnie the worst "elite soldier" ever.


It wasn't just because she was a female. It was because (1.) she was a comely female, (2) he plainly observed that she was unconscious and hence no longer an immediate threat and (3) his "protective knight" instincts perhaps kicked-in. An additional factor is that Dutch realized she was uncertain about killing him because she didn't automatically shoot him in the back; she clearly hesitated.

Right after this incident he referred to her as a "hostage," which suggests that he didn't feel it necessary to kill every last individual if the person in question inspired his sympathies. In other words, Dutch was the leader of an elite special ops squad, but he wasn't a soulless killing machine. This told us something important about his character.

Which played hardly any role, so the writer could've easily left out this annoying character.


Only because they couldn't fulfill their original mission once they discovered they were being hunted and systematically wiped-out by the Predator. They were intent on surviving at that point and taking out the otherworldly hunter, which Anna said was called "the demon who makes trophies of men" by the locals (which shows that she did provide some useful info). Fulfilling the original mission would come later, if they survived.

Lastly, the producers naturally felt an attractive female would augment the macho male cast, particularly since the target audience was boys & young men, including the "boy" in every man.

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"Ramming the assailant was the quickest and most effective way to take down the attacker at that moment."

I disagree with that (especially since he didn't choose the quickest and most effective way with the other guerillas). But even if that was the idea, there was more than enough time to finish her off before she had fallen down, her cap flew off and her face turned so he could see she was a woman.

"It was because (1.) she was a comely female, (2) he plainly observed that she was unconscious and no longer an immediate threat and (3) his "protective knight" instincts perhaps kicked-in."

Which still makes him the worst "elite soldier" ever. He had no reason to trust her

"Only because they couldn't fulfill their original mission once they discovered they were being hunted and systematically wiped-out by the Predator."

Which means she's a completely useless character, which means the writer could just as well have left her out.

The woman had a moustache. I can't believe so many of you guys find her attractive. But even eye candy should be more than just useless and annoying.

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I didn't see any mustache. You're grossly exaggerating. The question is why?

He had no reason to trust her


Actually Dutch didn't trust her. It was Dillon who insisted on taking her with the commandos since she was familiar with the guerrilla network. Dutch simply referred to her as a "hostage" and was content with tying her up and leaving her to be found by her comrades.

This actually supplies character development because it shows that Dutch didn't believe it was necessary to outright annihilate every individual in the camp if it wasn't necessary. He was an elite special ops leader, but he wasn't a soulless killing machine if his sympathies were inspired. Anna obviously inspired his sympathies. If you disagree, you'll have to take it up with Dutch.

As explained above, there's enough reason to flow with the movie and accept Anna's presence. I agree with Anubis, there's not enough kindling for the fire you're trying to make.

You're welcome to the last word.

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I didn't see any attractive woman. You're grossly exaggerating. The question is why?

"Actually Dutch didn't trust her."

If he didn't trust her, he would've shot her on the spot. Who's to say she couldn't grab the weapon or another and still shoot him while she was down?

"If you disagree, you'll have to take it up with Dutch."

No, I'll take it up with the script writer.

"I agree with Anubis, there's not enough kindling for the fire you're trying to make."

*I* am trying to make??? Are you fanboys so blind that you can't see Drooch is being the jerk here? I thought the discussion was over months ago, but he came back to throw even worse insults at me than last time. And aren't you fanning the flames by butting in???

"You're welcome to the last word."

Gladly. I just hope you comprehend things a little better now.

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I like you, Stratego. Still do. But you called Drooch a "prick" before he called you "stupid."

I don't get how this point of contention can breed such dander. Doesn't seem like enough kindling for a fire.

The part is on the weak side to me but easily forgiven as this is in my top 3.

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He first called me "foolish". I gave him a chance, but he continued his condescending behavior. Saying that he shouldn't be a condescending prick is nothing compared to the name-calling and insult-throwing he has resorted to since.

I'm honestly trying to discuss this as a mature person, but his last rant clearly shows he's not capable of that.

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Fair enough. I bear you no ill will.

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Me neither.👍

I'm up for any kind of discussion, I just don't appreciate a disrespectful attitude.

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Stratego is flat out wrong in his desperate nitpicks of this film, and then gets aggressive when people try to patiently explain the film to him, but if you think he has made a valid point or that I haven’t fully debunked his absurd objections then let me know and I’ll address them.

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I lean toward your opinion but I just don't see how the topic can ignite such rage.

Predator is in my top 3 movies. I can excuse anything within it.

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It’s an excellent film, partly because it has tight internal logic and exhibits NONE of the shortcomings that ‘Stratego’ has pulled out of his ass and smeared across this thread.

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>The predator had no clue about whether he was an elite soldier.

He witnessed them trashing that camp like it was childs play, he was tracking them for ages. He knew exactly what they were.

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They could've been other rebels. He had no clue who they were or where they were from. It's beside the point, because...

"just like us, he could see the guy was incapable of moving around by himself. He was also shot from behind. Again, there's no "sport" in that."

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Of course he had no clue where they were from, he is an alien from another planet.

The Predator was scouting around the jungle and came upon the camp of armed bad guys, then all of a sudden a small team of guys came in stealthily then obliterated the camp with ease and without taking a loss.

He witnessed this.

Thats all he needed to know, these where his guys, he didnt need to know if they were from Texas or Tulane. Then he proceded to hunt each one down until he reached the final survivor, the Alpha and go head to head. He did this with the other team and skinned them all alive. They were weak sauce but he hunted them all the same.

It's not hard to figure out.

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All very nice, but like I already mentioned, that wasn't even my point. It's really not difficult to understand if you take the time to read.

Based on how easy the others were killed, he had no reason to assume Poncho was capable of some amazing feat. Moreover, he was no challenge whatsoever compared to Arnie.



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> It's really not difficult to understand

You said it mate.

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Yes, that's what I said. Well done.

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A real hunter never leaves his prey wounded.

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If it's about the thrill of the hunt, he goes after the one that's still able-bodied first.

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They are good guys though. And why feel sorry for the Gurillas? One of them shot an unarmed man in the head. Can you really feel sorry for the type of person that does that? Not to mention that they were making a deal with drug dealers.

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I don't think you understood my post.

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D'oh. Well she was actually one of their hostages. At least that's what I thought.

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No, she was not.

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Why didn't Arnie kill her?
Because the script said so.

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Yeah, stupid writing.

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Arnie says very early on, they are a rescue team not assassins so Arnie wasn´t prepared to kill her in cold blood.

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Cold blood? She was about to shoot him dead. He shot everybody else he encountered, even those who did not have a gun pointed at him.

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Don´t remember that, will have to watch it again.

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Must be the chewing tobacco.

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Simple explanation. He knocked her out cold. She was no longer a threat. And when they were ready to leave, Dylan ordered them to take her along.

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I mean when he first encountered her at the campsite. She could've killed him. He had no trouble killing everbody else there.

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SHE WAS PRETTY...THAT IS ALL.🙂

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This was an epic back & forth for several months. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread. Stratego put up a gallant fight...but ultimately he was outnumbered and taken down like a dog.

I think Drooch made the best point: that lady was necessary to the story primarily to add some crucial backstory and fill in some blanks. Her little Quint-like monologue about what the predators had done to their men in the past was quite good...and a little spooky. I think she also was the one who spotted that the predator was bleeding (blood on the leaf). And...she became somewhat of an anchor/liability for the crew, which added to the viewer's stress (Is she going to slow them all down?). And, she became Dillon's power struggle with Dutch....and ultimately, his baggage.

Also, while she was originally a potential threat to the crew (hitting the one guy while trying to escape, etc...) eventually, they realized if they were going to survive...they all had to work together. (As someone else pointed out: The enemy of my enemy.....).

And finally, a little eye candy can't hurt. The only thing that could have made that macho, violent, gun-fueled action-fest just a BIT better....was to throw a chick with no bra into the mix. That ALONE...was reason enough to have her in the movie. Enough said.

Stratego...if you're out there...you had some good points...and you went down swinging. I'll give you that. But in the end, they out-flanked you...and you got your ass handed to you. It was an honorable battle.

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"but ultimately he was outnumbered and taken down like a dog."

Every single word about that is wrong.

You used a whole lot of words to come to the same incorrect conclusion as the other guy.

The Mexican chick added absolutely nothing to the story. The fact that the Predator didn't go after unarmed people had no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Her uninteresting monologue was of no importance either. Apparently you enjoy annoying and unattractive characters. I guess someone has to.

You and your buddy have been pwned. Move on.

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I always liked how she didn’t speak English until she did.

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Movie was very woke for its time. White guys, black guys, and a Mexican chick. I remember some people back in 1987 saying this movie was going to bring about the death of western civilization due to its diversity agenda.

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And they turned out to be right!

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i liked her teeth style

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