Swedish Or Danish


Hello everyone,

it just a small question, but was wondering if the movie had dialogue in danish or swedish.

I've looked here and they put both. So maybe the first part is in one language and the other is another. Or both language are so close to each other, that they just switch, like in Insomnia, where the inspector speak Swedish and the rest speak Norwegian.

Sorry for the scandinavian or danish people. I was just curious, On the DVD it says Swedish. Wanted to get it right and be sure.
Thx, and Happy New Year.


Salut
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It was a long time ago since I saw Pelle Erövraren as we call it in Sweden. They seem to show it fairly regular around x-mas, at least a couple of years back.

To answer your question: Max von Sydow talks Swedish in the whole movie while pelle is a danish actor, but if I remember everything correct, pelle talks swedish until they get to denmark. And after a while he starts to talk danish, even with his father.

To give you some "popcorn facts": I live in the southern part of sweden (before this part of sweden become swedish forever both sweden and denmark has fought for this part since the viking tribes ruled scandinavia.

Scandinavia is a combined name (like europe) for: Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark. (not Iceland, Iceland is included in the expression: "norden" (the northern lands (don't think there is a common name for that in a other language))

I see Denmarks capital (Copenhagen) from the city I live in (Malmö), and its a 15 minute trainride from our city heart to theirs. Despite all this and the fact that our governments work together in many ways, (we got danish television and radiostations, and many of them are better then our own), we do not understand danish.

A concrete proof is the school I go to. 20-30 year olds studying design and we are (to generalize) very adventureous had the choise to get lectures in danish or english, and due to vote english won.

This has gone on to long now. I hope you (and others) got a little bit wiser about scandinavia, and our cultures. Any more questions and I be glad to answer them. (I maybe scared you off :) )

(I don't have the energy to check this for spelling errors so: "sorry me bad english")

Bye

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Wow, this was very educational. I thank you for the answers and the extra facts. (and no i don't scare that easily)
I always enjoy learning about your part of the world. It is amazing the quality of movies that came from Scandinavia.

Happy New Year to you.


Salut
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I live in south-central sweden and I don't understand danish at all. I can read it to some extent, but I don't understand it in speach. I think most danes understand swedish better than we understand danish.

Some say that speaking danish is like speaking swedish with your mouth full of porridge. ;) And I guess norwegian is like speaking swedish on extacy. :p It's faster and always sound happy like if you are warbling forth the words.

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Funny. That's what we usually say about Swedish and Norwegian. Danish satires always make fun of the fact.

I understand Swedish from Göteborg, Stockholm, and Malmö quite well. Swedish from Malmø is like a Dane making a Swedish accent. My current employer speaks Swedish and he's from Malmø, and I understand 99% of what he is saying expect when he uses a Swedish word which I have never heard of.

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Technically speaking, Norwegian (ny-norsk,ik rigsnorsk/new norwegian, not "old norwegian") is a dialect of the Danish langue.

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"...we do not understand danish."

That's not really true. The languages are very similar and I don't think most swedes, at least in the southern part of Sweden, have much problem understanding Danish.

I myself have no problem understanding danish and when I go to Denmark, I always speak swedish and I've never really had any problem with them not understanding me. (I live in Malmö too, btw)

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I'm from Denmark.
I understand Swedish, but only if you speak very slow.
But after a while talking to you (for example) it would be much easier.
I was in Malmö last year with my school, and this Swedish man told us about your school system and I understood everything he said after 5 minutes.
Ooo, I'm so proud.

Has the fact that you're completely psycho managed to escape your attention?

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I think it´s a bit individual really. I am also from Sweden but I can not understand Danish except certain words. Our languages are related but in my opinion it´s two different languages when you talk.

But usually most "skåningar" as we call the guys and gals that live down south after the... well state I think you can call it (Like The state of Arkansas, Californa and so on), understand danish quite well since they´re very close to the danes.

Norweigan is a language that is a bit more easier to understand since their pronaunciations (wrong spelled, I know :) is more similar to swedish.

Finnish on the other hand is a totally different language and well... a really ugly one. I once had sex with a finnish girl and god!, she was hot but I had to tell her to shut up because when she was barking of those finnish words in the heat of moment, my mister went soft. = D

Being dyslectic and living in Finland must also be hell when you se how they spell their words!

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Finland is not part of Scandinavia. Not that it matters, it's just that it's not.

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Well if you look it up in a dictionary it says (translated from Swedish to English by me): Scandinavia, its partly a common name on the countries Sweden, Norway and Denmark, sometimes Finland, partly a term for the Scandinavian peninsula.

(source: www.ne.se)

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Im from Sweden and I have to agree that danish is hard to understand. It´s easier to read actually, but when its spoken! Man, sounds like jiberish!
But I guess that Denmark think the same way as we do.

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Swedish is by the way - from a danish perspective - definately the most beautiful of the 3 nordic languages - especially when coming from the mouths of of the likes of lisa nilsson, nina person and Lisa Werlinder...

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Hvad snakker du om, marcus? Det er da ikke det smukkeste sprog. Hvis noget er det da norsk der er det pæneste.. Og det letteste at forstå i øvrigt :p

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I believe that the concept of only Norway, Sweden and Denmark being Scandinavia stems from the Kalmar Union, and if I remember correctly - of which Finland was dragged into and was not technically part of, since it was only under control of Sweden and not an independent state. The fact that Scandinavian Languages traditionally do not include the Northern Finno-Ugric Languages (Finnish, Sami and to stretch the borders even further, Estonian) is a rather conservative concept. This also lead way to the concept of Norden, which include languages outside "mutually intelligible" Danish, Swedish and the Norwegian languages. This whole spiel leads me to believe that there is no true answer to the question. Far be it from me to decide though as I am not Scandinavian or Nordic.

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So in the movie, the father is the only person that speaks Swedish throughout? Even when he talks to the other farm workers? And they answer him in Danish?

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Lassefar speaks Swedish throughout, and so does Erik (Björn Granath), Rud's mother (Lena-Pia Bernhardsson) and the young girl who gets pregnant. Perhaps I am forgetting someone.

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The young girl who get's pregnant does not speak swedish at any time in the movie!

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I am not referring to the girl who loses her virginity to Kongstrup. You are probably thinking of the wrong girl ... One girl gets pregnant, but hides it and kills the baby after it is born. She is Swedish.

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Finland is not a part of Scandinavia.

Scandinavia = Denmark, Sweden & Norway - we have the same language stem, and we are geographically seen as the Scandinavian counrties.

The Nordics are Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Faroe Islands & Greenland.
These are countries placed on the northern side of the globe, who chose to work together.

Denmark owns Greenland and the Faroe Islands, which automatically makes them a part of the Nordics, and Iceland was owned by Denmark before they were given independence - giving them the right to join the Nordics too.

To sum it up, Scandinavia is comprised of countries with the same language stem, and a fixed geographical positions - although the main reason that they are considered Scandinavian is their close relations (war and peace) and their Viking ancestry ;)

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Finland is NOT a part of Scandinavia, learn ur geography!

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BTW, what percent of the Swedish and Danish populations would you estimate can speak/understand English?

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English is a mandatory subjects at schools in Denmark for about 7 years. Which means that practically everyone at least understands the language.

About the term "Scandinavia": In the Scandinavian languages it is meant to be just Norway, Sweden and Denmark (the old Kalmar Union), but in English it often includes Finland, according to my encyclopedia.

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I think in Denmark everyone speaks English. IN Sweden too but my personal opinion is that Danish people like to speak English when they meet a foreigner. I am Bulgarian and speak both Swedish and Danish (Swedish better) and everyone in Denmark switches to English as soon as they hear that you are a foreigner. This is not the case in Sweden, however. Swedes like it when you speak their language!!!:)
About Scandinavian films in general: it is very common in Scandinavian movies to have actors from different Scandinavian countries speaking their own language. Almost every contemporary Danish film which I have seen has at least one person who speaks Swedish. Or, take for example, Liv Ullmann in Bergman films (In fact I am not sure if she speaks Norwegian or just has a strong accent and mixes up some words, after all Swedish is not my mother tongue). Recently I saw also a Norwegian film, Monstertorsdag was the name I think, where one of the characters was a Danish guy who speaks Danish in the film.
In general people from Sweden, Denmark and Norway, when at a meeting for example speak their own languages and understand each other fairly good. And about Skåne: what I have heard from people from Skåne is that they understand Danish better than Danes understand skånska:) I myselv find it harder to understand skånska than Danish:)

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It's basically the same in Sweden. Naturally swedes like it if a foreigner makes an effort to learn swedish but a lot of english speaking nationals (brits, americans, aussies, kiwis etc) often have a hard time learning swedish when they live here because everybody automatically speaks english to them.

When it comes to who understands who; I generally have no problem understanding danish - at least not Copenhagen danish. Here in the south of sweden we get danish television and radio. On the other hand norweigan is more or less jibberish to me, I have to concentrate really hard to understand it. The danish people however often finds it easier to understand swedes coming from somewhere OTHER than Skåne, as the skåne accent is not often heard on swedish TV (danish TV shows a LOT of swedish programs).

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The skåne accent is ALWAYS! heard on TV, what are you talking about!?

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When is skånska heard on swedish TV? On regional news broadcast of course, but that's about it.

Sure, in the last few years there are more people speaking skånska on national tv than there used to be but it's still very uncommon. Maybe you THINK you hear a lot of skånska on TV because it's a very noticable dialect when you actually hear it. Or maybe you confuse skånska with other southern swedish dialects like småländska, blekingska or halländska.

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Gizmodus wrote: danish TV shows a LOT of swedish programs.

That is not true, not at all. I was born more than twenty years ago, and I don't think I ever have seen a swedish program in TV. Wait that's not true, there is a Sweedish TV cooking show sometimes.
Actually I think that Sweedish TV shows more Danish programs than Danish TV shows Sweedish programs. For an example Rejseholdet/Mordkommissionen, Nikolaj og Julie, Riget/Riket and so on have been shown in Sweedish TV. Whereas I don't remember any Swedish TV-series shown in Danish TV.

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Probably every Beck film that has ever been made has been shown on danish TV.

One of the first swedish soaps, Varuhuset, has been shown on danish TV. But if you're only 20, that might have been before your time.

I've seen numerous swedish films on danish TV.

Granted, They probably air more danish shows in Sweden than vice versa, but still - a lot of swedish tv in Denmark.

I watch danish tv almost every day (I live in Southern Sweden), why would I make this up?

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If you speak Swedish why would us Swedes want to use English when you speak our language?
If Danish people more often like to use English I dunno, I think the use of and knowledge about English is pretty much the same in all Scandinavian languages, but from what I've experienced Swedes has by far got the best pronounciation, although a thick Swedish-English accent is the most ugly one, with the exception of Finnish,ugghh.

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Actually Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. It is a part of Norden though...

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Actually Finland is not part of Scandinavia.

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I think the thing about Danish, Swedish and Norwegian can be quite individual. Generally speaking, a Dane would be able to understand both Swedish and Norwegian, but there are exceptions. The languages are quite similar, but different at the same time. I'm Danish, and understand Swedish spoken around Stockholm, but have problems when it comes to some regional accents. Skånska is understandable, but that's mostly because I live closer to Skåne than say, northern Sweden. I have serious difficulty understanding Swedish from up there! On the other hand, though I should be able to understand it, I find Norwegian completely impossible to understand! At least spoken Norwegian. If it's written, I can more or less get it, but may have to guess what some words mean.

For those of you who aren't familiar with Scandinavian languages, but perhaps Romance languages (that is French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian), you may find that you can understand several those languages to a certain extent if you speak one of them. For example, I have a Portuguese friend who understands Spanish perfectly well, even though it's a different language. There are similarities between the two that make them mutually understandable (a lot of the same words or word roots, for example 'leite' and 'leche' for milk, or 'casa' and 'casa' for house). That's sort of what it's like with the Scandinavian languages. They're different, but similar, and if you know one, you should find it easy to understand another, or all three. That's how it's possible for people from different Scandinavian countries to communicate with each other without needing the services of an interpreter :)

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I'm Danish, and I can pretty easily understand Norwegian, because their language is danish, with a Swedish accent. This comes from hundreds of years of switching between danish and swedish domination. The Kalmar union, where Denmark ruled under queen Margrethe the first, manifested the Danish language in Norway, and afterwards, when Denmark went from class bully to total loser, Norway was ruled by the swedes until given free at some point in the 18. century. Therefore the danish words, the swedish pronounciation.

woohoo, I love these scandinavian discussions.

Fun Fact:
The biggest music festival in Scandinavia is the Roskilde festival, which is the host of huge international acts such as Black Sabbath, Coldplay and Metallica. It is located in my home town of Roskilde, and since it is in Denmark, one would think that Danes would be dominating. But no.

The past three years, there has been 57 % foreigners, from which 48% was from either Sweden or Norway. Conclusion: Roskilde is the biggest festival in Sweden.

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How similar are Danish and Swedish actually? I get the feeling from reading these posts (I'm American, I speak English and know but have no cause to speak Latin and that's about it, but I can get by reading Italian because of all my Latin) that they must be pretty similar. Do they have many common words?

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Yes they do.
Examples: Hund (Dog) - Hus (House) - Stol (Chair)
Many of the words have the same origin - for instance German.
The main difference is in the pronounciation.

Other words are slightly different, but still you can see the similarity:
Lake: Sø (Danish) - Sjö (Swedish)
Couch: Sofa (D) - Soffa (S)
Tram: Sporvogn (D) - Spårvagn (S)
Forest: Skov (D) - Skog (S)
Bisquit: Kiks (D) - Kex (S)

And of course you can find examples that shows two very different languages:
Pocket: Lomme (Danish) - Ficka (Swedish)
Girl: Pige (D) - Flicka (S)

And finally an example that will complete the confusion:
"Rolig" means "quiet" in Danish but "funny" in Swedish

Generally Danish and Norwegian is considered to be more similar than Danish and Swedish.
There is also a political/psychological angle to the whole story:
For centuries Denmark and Sweden were at war with each other - and although this is a very long time ago there has been an atmosphere of being each others "arch-enemies" for example in football.
For a long time Danes had a great minority complex towards the Swedes:

Sweden had iron in the underground and big business like Volvo.
Denmark produced milk, pork and pastry and had a business structure based upon many small enterprises.

Sweden had Olof Palme, who spoke up against US imperialism during the Vietnam war.
Danish politicians were invisible on the international scene.

This relationship has changed during the last 25-30 years.
Partly because Denmark has been a member of the European Union since 1973 - 22 years before Sweden became a member. And no matter what you may think about the whole Euro-project this has been an advantage for Denmark. All of a sudden Sweden looked to Denmark for answers.
Furthermore there has been a change in the economic relationship between the two.
Sweden was always the better economy - their currency was always stronger than the Danish krone. But the tables have turned. And now Denmark has the upper hand when it comes to getting good marks from OECD and other economic supervisors.

All in all there is a LOVE/HATE relationship between the two countries that has many explanations.

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That was indeed a quite thorough explanation. Being a Dane myself, I couldn't agree more. It alwas seemed that Sweden was getting all the attention, but that has somewhat changed during the last few years. And now, with the conflict over the Mohammed-drawings, we're getting even more attention. Whether that's going to turn out as a positive or a negative, I don't know...



If there isn't a movie about it, it's not worth knowing, is it?

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With all the Scandinavians posting here, maybe I could get a little history behind this story. It looks to me like a feudal system, but I'm unclear what's with all the fear of the authorities. On the one hand, Lasse had his papers checked in the beginning so it looked like he was legal, but throughout the film there seemed to be a fear of being turned in to the authorities that's reminiscent of illegal immigrants in the U.S. today. Was there something of the sort happening there then with the Swedish immigrants? Was there some sort of really bad living conditions in Sweden then that led Swedes to emigrate to Denmark? The beginning of the movie makes it look like this was the case. It seemed that the fear of the authorities was something that the landowners used as a means of control and repression of their workers. What was going on there?

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First of all they speak both Swedish and Danish in the film.
The reason Lassefar and Pelle moved to Denmark was because they lived such a poor life in Sweden and thought they whould be rich in Denmark. In Sweden by that time they spoked a lot about how Denmark was so great and you could live a rich life there. But in fact Denmark and Sweden was very alike each other. They lived in Denmark as poor they did in Sweden. It was no differens.

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Am i remembering all wrong when i believe the movie takes place on the danish island Bornholm? it's a danish island, but it's closer to sweden than to denmark... and some people on bornholm speaks with a funny accent which sounds a lot like swedish (though with danish words etc... but some swedish pronounciation...)

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On Bornholm East-Danish is spoken, which is somewhere in between Swedish and Danish. In Southern Sweden which used to be Danish until 1668 they also used to speak East-Danish. Today they speak a kind of "Swedified" East-Danish which is a little bit hard to understand for many Swedes from other parts of the country which is why you don't hear it much on TV.

I haven't seen this movie in at least ten years however so I don't know what accents the actors used in the movie.

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It's correct that the story takes place on the island of Bornholm.

If some of you non-Scandinavians are interested 'bout the location, you should clik on this link --> http://www.wakkanet.fi/~karij/images/kartat/bornholm.jpg

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My mother is a "bornholmer" and I visit the island every year and can do bits of the accent, and as it is today, most of the inhabitants of Bornholm speaks normal danish with a slightly swedish accent, (mostly called "Rønne-fint" - Rønne is the "capital" of Bornholm) - or something in between - but a fair amount of the elderly speaks completely their own language, not danish nor swedish, that even som "bornholmers" can't understand, with their own grammar and so on... my grandfather speaks it, but he can easily switch into normal danish when we're visiting.
So there's really a great mix of languages and accents on that island :D


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Personally I think swedish is the hardest language to understand (I'm Danish, and live in Jutland which is not near Sweden and that might explain it). Norwegian is easier for me to understand but the pronunciation is similar to swedish (just my opinion) but the writing is very similar to Danish as long as it is bokmål and not nynorsk.

But it is fairly easy to understand each other if we try

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Sweaden was really economically a disaster?, which epoch was that? Which epoch the story takes place?

How can I express that I love all about scandinavia I like those countries. They have an extraordinary social life!
I would like to ask, which of the Scandinavian countries is the best to live?
Sweaden?, Denmark?, Norway? My favorite Denmark!
Please let's do this as a poll!

Thanks!
A.

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Denmark of course ;) hehe... no i'm danish so i'd say that anyway... never been to norway actually but i know some great jokes about norweigans hehe ;) no they're cool... i think (and i don't know i just think) that it's a little "boring" to live in norway... everything's very expensive etc. but then again... they've got the mountains i miss here in denmark :) i don't know... all the norweigans i've met were the nicest people and "Kjempe bra" ;) they just speak a little weird ;)
hmm and i have swedish family so i understand swedish better... i think sweden is a cool country too... and girls talking swedish are so damn cute hehe :)
but i'd still put my vote on Denmark as the best country... :D

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do people have this dvd with the option of swedish audio??? my dvd has danish and english audio so i assumed the original language must have been danish.

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Hi!

I am a Portuguese, but I lived 1 year in Denmark and I have been living for 4 years in Norway and some of my best friends live in Stockholm and Lund. So I guess I can say I know the three countries fairly well, for a foreigner.

From the quality of life perspective, I think Norway beats the other two by a small margin, but a noticeable one. Norway is the richest of the three countries (much due to its oil revenues) and has the most relaxed perspective concerning the relation between work and leisure. Besides, the landscape is absolutely breathtaking and people have a very straight-forward and hospitable way of relating with others. Swedish are a bit stiff and proud of themselves and have become a bit xenophobic lately (the danish went even worse on that). But I must confess Sweden is my favourite country of the lot, due to the most beautiful language (danish is a nightmare!) and a good social system (almost the same in Norway, in Denmark things are turning to the right-wing right now). Norway has no city life, just a lot of villages (the possible exception is Oslo). Between Stockholm and Copenhagen, the choice for the capital of Scandinavia would fall for the swedish capital, in my opinion, but just because Stockholm has a larger diversity of arquitectural styles (Copenhagen is a bit heavy, the whole city is mostly built in the Romantic 19th century style and it becomes a bit monotonous after a while - and the weather, 180 days of rain a year, with an average of 30 sunny days a year, it really makes Stockholm look more colorful in comparison!).

:-)
Paulo.

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Aaarh Paulo, I think you are being a bit rought on my homeland now.
Denmark is turning right, and that sucks. But it's hopefully just for now.
Denmark has always been the most social country in Scandinavia and will be again.
The current gov. is going down down down in the polls and the left wing is starting to rise again. A few months ago, over 150.000 people were demonstrating infront of parliament, against the gov. and what they are trying to turn Denmark into.

Besides, you guys are not counting a very huge factor: Football.
Denmark has by far the best league, manifested by FCK winning Royal League two years in a row, and several teams in the Danish league having Swedish and Norwegian internationals in their squads.
Denmark is also the only Scandinavian country to ever win an international tournament. EM 1992!!! (European cup 92)

I have to agree that Stockholm is more beautifull when you look at the architecture. But Copenhagen has more of a city vibe than Stockholm.
It's vibrant, it never really shots down, it never really get's quiet in Copenhagen. It's a truly great city, and once we legalize marihuana it shall be the scandinavian parallel to Amsterdam.

The language..well..yeah. I can't really say anything about that. I'm danish for gods sake. haha. no, you are a foreigner so you can actually "hear" the languages. I can't. You know what I mean? you wouldn't be able to hear portugese either, it just goes in automatic.

But I think Denmark is best, I live here, so of course. But I also, seriosly, think that DK, NO and S should be one. It would be so great with the Kalmar Union 2. Just a big country with three states called Scandinavia. It would make us more powerfull in International politics, it would strengthen our economy and the ties between the people, and finally, we would have a kick ass football team!

Bergdølmo playes it to Grønkjær who runs deep and makes a pass to Ibrahimovich who SCORES!!!!! Scandinavia has won the world cup..

sweeeet. :-)

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Denmark has by far the best league, manifested by FCK winning Royal League two years in a row.

Ever heard of Rosenborg? :P

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I remember a team back in the 90'ies called Rosenborg, they were actually really good. But where are they now? :)

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ouch

FCK needed a norwegian coach to be good, though ;)

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"Besides, you guys are not counting a very huge factor: Football.
Denmark has by far the best league, manifested by FCK winning Royal League two years in a row, and several teams in the Danish league having Swedish and Norwegian internationals in their squads.
Denmark is also the only Scandinavian country to ever win an international tournament. EM 1992!!! (European 92)"

I just have to notify the audience about the fact that swedens got three World Cup medals in football (silver 58, bronze 72 and 94) how many does denmark have?

Also FCK won the final on penalties and vem fan cares about royal league. On specific footballers sweden got Johan Elmander (two goals att parken last time) Henrik Larsson and Zlatan. Denamarks got...Poulsen?


Lets have a little test. Choose which item you like best :

Tuborg - Pripps
Parken - Råsunda
Copenhagen - Stockholm
Lego - IKEA
Red/white - Blue/yellow
Redheads - Blonde girls
Akvavit - Snaps
Tivoli - Liseberg
HC Andersen - Astrid Lindgren
Fogh Rasmussen - Reinfeldt

Aigt. Denamark vs Sweden








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Lets have a little test. Choose which item you like best :

Tuborg - Pripps (consider this: Both breweries are owned by the Danish brewery Carlsberg)
Parken - Råsunda (I only know Parken and it is great when it i packed with spectators - and equally lame when it's only half full (a thing I hate about big venues))
Copenhagen - Stockholm (two very different cities so it's very hard to compare the two. As a person who hates the stress of large cities, I wouldn't chose either of them...)
Lego - IKEA (these can't be compared either. Too different)
Red/white - Blue/yellow (as a person from Aalborg in Northern Jutland the chioce is easy. But that's only because I don't like BIF and they play in blue and yellow...)
Redheads - Blonde girls (we have many naturally blondes in Denmark as well as redheads and brunettes. I don't know about Sweden)
Akvavit - Snaps (snaps is akvavit and akvavit is a Danish invention though the Danish company that produces most akvavit is owned by Swedish company Vin & Sprit)
Tivoli - Liseberg (Liseberg, though I would prefer to visit Fårup Sommerland i Northern Jutland. It just apeals more to me)
HC Andersen - Astrid Lindgren (both are really great. I wouldn't be able to chose)
Fogh Rasmussen - Reinfeldt (I don't like our Prime Minister (Fogh) and I don't know the Swedish one)

All in all as a Dane I would prefer Denmark though I absolutely adore Sweden and Norway. And I feel a great kinship with Norwegians and Swedes though I don't always understand their languages...

Just some thoughts.

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Really like your input on the 3 scandivian countries. I am from Denmark my self, so I know what you talk about!

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being honest to me (sombeody whose 1st language is spanish), Danish, Sweden, Norwegian, all sounds the same.
That doesn't means they ARE THE SAME, just that for people from distant countries the differences between those languages are minimal to our ears.

I bet many scandinavians wouldn't notice a clear difference between spanish, catalonian, galician, portuguese.

About the movie. well it represented Denmark at the oscars, the director is danish as many actors, but one of the leading roles is portrayed by a swedish actor, as well as many other actors, In addition part of the money came from swedish hands, if I am not wrong.

So we can say it's a clear example of a successfull co-production.

Danish or swedish or both, the movie is great, and that's what really matters.

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well I have others

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In the movie, Pelle and his father, come from southern Sweden, to the Danish island, Bornholm. Lassefar (Pelle's father), are in the movie swedish, and he doesn't learn the danish language very. Pelle, on the other side, learns the danish language very quick, with the help of an abandoned child.


I am by the way danish, and have just seen the movie. So that's how I now!

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Ha ha, thanks! you started off a nice discussion. Its also like the discussion we have here in Holland - about Dutch and German (and to some extent english). You could say Dutch is like German with more 'a's and 'e's. On the other hand you could say German is Dutch with bad spelling ;). I know most Dutch people wont agree (that's understandable). But as a foreigner who speaks fluent Dutch and understands quite a bit of German - I can see the similarity. But I admit - when it comes to spoken language - they sound totally different and you cant understand one if you speak the other!

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I live in skåne and i love to take a trip to köpenhamn. The danish people is in general more relaxed and you can sit and take a beer when you are having lunch, swedes doesnt do that very often. Thats what I miss in sweden but i wouldnt want to move to denmark i think. Sweden has a better fotball team, hockey team almost every sport and that is important for me :). And we are the "big brother" and the most things are very good in sweden.

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something that would really sætte enhver danskers pis i kog (make any danish persons piss boil) is to claim that A) Sweden has a better football team. and B) Sweden is the big brother.

though the first statement might be sort of true but not really, the second one is
pure nonsence. Historically speaking Denmark has been as powerful if not more powerfull as Sweden, on the euro political scene. In the early middle ages the danish king Valdemar Sejr founded a Danish empire that would come to include Norway, Sweden, parts of northern Germany and the baltic countries (though not all together at the same time, but almost).

The Calmar union led by Queen Margrethe the first included both Denmark, Norway and Sweden and was run from Copenhagen.

Anyway, I'm not really annoyed, it just sort of tickles in a bad way when people say that Sweden has the upper hand. I don't know why, because I love the Swedish language and the Swedish girls and *beep* Åmål, but it just sort of gets to me when somebody claims that Sweden is better.

I guess it goes back to 1864 when the danish nationalist movement really got started, back then we lost our possesions in northen germany and southern jutland and very few years before that Copenhagen had been annihilated by the brits, we had lost Norway to Sweden aswell as Skåne and Gotland. After that Denmark became sort of small, and I think it's been annoying people through the generations ever since.

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Valdemar Sejr never conquerd Sweden.

And yeah back in the middleages Denmark was the big brother but in the 17th century Sweden took that role from them and has maintained it until present day.

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Sweet thread, I must say, greetings from Romania!

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This has become kind of a contest, hasn't it? Not that I mind, I love talking about this great little country I live in. I don't care what you say, we do have a better football team...well on our good days anyway. We did win the European Championships once, of course, I was six months old at the time, and everyone seems to have comepletely forgotten about it, but we are former European football champions. Keep that in mind.
As a Dane, I find it very hard to understand Swedish. Norwegian is not so hard though. As far as I can see, norwegian is sort of a middle thing between Swedish and Danish (I could be wrong, that's just my opinion). Both languages are mush easier to understand in writing, though.

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Gonna do some necro posting here. A thread running from 2004 till 2010 is kinda cool :P

Anyway i live in the northern part of Denmark, to be more precise Northern Jutland. And i find Norwegian painfully easy to understand. Unless its ny-norsk. In writen language Bokmål stems from the old norwegian Rigsmål. wich was basically just danish. If you read the old Henrik Ibsen (Norwegian writer) novels they are writen in rigsmål and are basically danish. Later the norwegians introduced bokmål as a way to distance themself from danish. but its stil pretty much just danish with a few different words. Swedish is quite abit harder for me to understand. I do understand it however but i have to make an effort inorder to understand it where norwegian is just as easy to understand as english.

I think that in general people from southern norway og northern denmark have an easy time understanding each other, like people from sealand (sjælland) have and easyer time understanding ppl from southern sweden. The times ive heard skånsk however I thought that it was quite easy to understand also.

And just to comment on the old football discussion from way back in 2007 i just have one question to the swedes.. Whos going to the World Cup 2010 in south afrika ;) and who beat you out during the qualification. Also we just beat USA and Finland in the A-WM in icehockey and have a certain someone ranking 3 in the womens tennis world rankings. plus a world champ boxer, handball team, racedriver etc etc. not so bad really. However we were indeed very awfull during the winter olympics. but did good at the summer olympics :P

And like someone mentioned we should make a grand scandinavian state consisting of Norway sweden and Denmark. Because we are awesome :D

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Ok I cant help it. This thread is really dumb and funny at the same time, but to be serious, I've always seen Sweden as the big brother.

Politics:
They coined the welfare state and social democracy. They have the Nobel Prizes. They had Olof Palme.
We have the mohammad cartoons...

Economy:
Sweden never fully recovered after the crisis in ... was it 93?
But they have Volvo, Saab, IKEA and they make their own fighter jets(YEAH)
We have Lego, Vestas Windpower and Bang & Olofsen.

Culture:
They totally crush us when it comes to Music and there is a very good reason why "sweedish girls" gives you 230.000 hits in google When "Danish girls" gives you 100.000. However blå pripps dosnt really come close to Carlsberg and Tuborg and all the danish microbreweries, and Swedes are quite formal unhumorus and political correct.
Bottom line: The perfect party would definately be the danish party, dancing to to swedish music, leaving with a swedish girl.

Sports: They beat us in everything except for the most important: football(soccer).

So I've always seen sweden as the cool, correct and authoritatian big brother. However (being a little brother myself) I'm happy to be living in the more relaxed, fun and rebelious Denmark.

***generealization mod *beep*

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A little reply, but here it comes.

Danish, Swedish and Norwegian are all very similar languages. I once heard a Swedish language professor say on that they almost could be considered different accents of the same language. So that should give an impression on how similar they are.

I guess 90% of the words are the same. That being said, the spelling and pronounsation is different. As a Norwegian, I can read both Danish and Swedish without difficulties, and I can have full conversations with Swedes without problems. However, Danish pronounsation is difficult, and in Norway we often say Danes speak with hot potatoes in their throats.

I've also been told that Norwegian is a good middle section between the other two, if anyone from another country wants to learn one of them. That if you know Norwegian, it's easier to understand the other two. Not sure if that's correct, though.

That being said, Norwegian is the only language I know of that has two official ways of writing, which should say something about how great differences there is between Norwegian accents. Considering that Norway is a country with only 5 million inhabitants, the difference in accents is huge - there even is accents I find hard to understand. Centuries ago, this actually made it hard for people to learn how to write, as the only official way of writing back then was based on Eastern and Southern Norwegian accent, but took no account on middle and western accents. So during the 19th century another official way of writing was constructed, based on those accents. I would hesitate to call these two ways of writing different languages, as they're both Norwegian - just different.

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